Oklahoma Prepairing to Apply to Pac-12

• Manhattan Buckeye

  The ACC has a goal - surviving and boning the Big East. They are halfway there.
  
  Texas has as much chance joining the failed Big East as I have being the messiah.
  
  Texas has two options, Pac or Big - my guess is Pac.
  
  The Big East is done.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  jordo212000;899916 wrote:Clearly what happened with the ACC was an exception to the rule. Those always exist.
  
  However just because it happened once, it doesn't mean it is going to happen in all of the other conferences. This is the first non-football focused school to move. How many schools have moved between the beginning of realignment and now?
  
  Also, there is no guarantee that they even get in. They asked for entrance. Meaning the ACC didn't ask them...

  They are in.
• krambman

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;902735 wrote:The ACC has a goal - surviving and boning the Big East. They are halfway there.
  
  Texas has as much chance joining the failed Big East as I have being the messiah.
  
  Texas has two options, Pac or Big - my guess is Pac.
  
  The Big East is done.

  
  This Big East is probably done as a football conference, but it's possible they could get together with the Big XII cast offs and stay alive for now. The ACC has pretty much guaranteed that Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, and Virginia Tech won't be jumping to the SEC.
• j_crazy

  

  Seems like the B1G is sitting back and watching the world pass by.
• jordo212000

  

  j_crazy;902997 wrote:Seems like the B1G is sitting back and watching the world pass by.

  Seems like they are waiting on Notre Dame to realize what has happened to the Big East. I'd say that they are probably going to get ND locked up and if they can, they will then move to add one more school? Missouri maybe?
  
  If no Notre Dame, I think you see no expansion from the Big 10
• Writerbuckeye

  

  If I were the Big Ten, I'd go ahead and lock up Kansas and Missouri. Go to 14 now and stand pat.
  
  If ND insists on staying independent, then you forbid any Big Ten school from scheduling them in football or basketball.
• jordo212000

  

  Writerbuckeye;903045 wrote:If ND insists on staying independent, then you forbid any Big Ten school from scheduling them in football or basketball.

  I have zero problem with this.
  
  As for adding Kansas, I will pass. I don't want them diluting the football in our conference any further. Missouri I could live with though
• krambman

  

  j_crazy;902997 wrote:Seems like the B1G is sitting back and watching the world pass by.

  I'm not so convinced that the B1G has to expand to 16 teams, even if everyone else does. I've read a lot in recent days from really smart financial guys, that say 16 team super conferences won't necessarily bring in the big money everyone expects, because it dilutes the product. I think it's possible that the B1G could remain a 12 team conference and still make as much, if not more, money per team than the super conferences.
• SportsAndLady

  

  jordo212000;903054 wrote:I have zero problem with this.
  
  As for adding Kansas, I will pass. I don't want them diluting the football in our conference any further. Missouri I could live with though

  Kansas has been in a BCS game more recently than half of the Big 10 schools.
• jordo212000

  

  krambman;903064 wrote: I think it's possible that the B1G could remain a 12 team conference and still make as much, if not more, money per team than the super conferences.

  I agree with this. If you read any articles, most of them say that the schools inside of the potential 16 team conferences (ACC and Pac-12) are a little leery of going that far with expansion.
  
  14 teams is probably about the point where you start seeing diminishing returns.
  
  Delany has been extremely poised and smart through this whole process, I have a hard time believing he isn't acting in the best interest of the conference.
• ts1227

  

  SportsAndLady;903076 wrote:Kansas has been in a BCS game more recently than half of the Big 10 schools.

  
  And then they hired Turner Gill. Oops.
• jordo212000

  

  SportsAndLady;903076 wrote:Kansas has been in a BCS game more recently than half of the Big 10 schools.

  If you read my post, I say "dilute further" meaning that there a ton of bad football teams in the conference already. Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Penn State have been hovering near the top of the conference for the past 5-10 years.
  
  With all that being said, it looks like the BCS era is over in Kansas. The program could really use Mangino back at the helm. It seems like it was a colossal mistake to hire Turner Gill
• enigmaax

  jordo212000;903087 wrote:It seems like it was a colossal mistake to hire Turner Gill

  Not that Kansas was really going to get a big name or a proven coach, but this is an example of hiring a "hot" coach based on very little. Dude had one semi-successful season at a crappy school and was suddenly big time material. I understand where a guy like Chris Petersen, who has sustained his success, becomes a big name. But when your best record is 8-6 with three losing seasons?
• ts1227

  

  He wasn't even a hot coach yet... It was literally one game that got him hired. He pulled the MAC title out of his ass over Brady Hoke's Ball State squad. Buffalo won the MAC East with a 5-3 record, lol.
• enigmaax

  ts1227;903147 wrote:He wasn't even a hot coach yet... It was literally one game that got him hired. He pulled the MAC title out of his ass over Brady Hoke's Ball State squad. Buffalo won the MAC East with a 5-3 record, lol.

  Yeah, I know. I remember his name being mentioned for a lot of jobs, specifically Auburn and Mississippi State. Obviously he didn't get those jobs and it is actually kind of funny that Kansas waited until he had another shitty year and still hired him.
• dazedconfused

  

  with the acc gobbling up potential B1G eastern targets in syracuse and pittsburgh (and more than likely rutgers in the future), there really isn't a need for the B1G. unless notre dame changes their stance, i see the conference staying put at 12. also, i think the sec kind of wedged themselves into a corner by admitting a team in a&m that they really don't need and thus have to admit another team that they have no use for (likely either mizzou or wvu)
• krambman

  

  jordo212000;903079 wrote:I agree with this. If you read any articles, most of them say that the schools inside of the potential 16 team conferences (ACC and Pac-12) are a little leery of going that far with expansion.
  
  14 teams is probably about the point where you start seeing diminishing returns.
  
  Delany has been extremely poised and smart through this whole process, I have a hard time believing he isn't acting in the best interest of the conference.

  I agree with this. I think the Delany is both more progressive and more intelligent than most give him credit for. He was the first to institute instant replay in his conference (and the system that all of college football now uses is the replay system he developed). He decided to start his own network for his conference even though many doubted the viability and now the B1G leads all conferences in terms of TV revenue. He was also the first to approach the subject of conference expansion and begin talking about super conferences a few years ago (even though the Pac-10 was the first to officially make a move adding Colorado and Utah shortly before the B1G added Nebraska).
  
  Now he's done some dumb things too (Legends and Leaders), but he's done more good than bad, and has been far more progressive than one might expect from such a traditional conference.
  
  If he's done his research and honestly thinks that staying at 12 teams right now is the best thing for the conference, then that's what he'll advise the conference to do. Then again, he might be working out something colossal and we'll find out next week that Notre Dame, Texas, Alabama, and USC are all joining the B1G.
• enigmaax

  dazedconfused;903195 wrote:there really isn't a need for the B1G.

  After some of the losses this season, agreed. They should just disband.
• Heretic

  

  SportsAndLady;903076 wrote:Kansas has been in a BCS game more recently than half of the Big 10 schools.

  And I'd be willing to dilute the football product a bit if that meant getting one of the nation's best basketball programs at the same time, which Kansas would provide.
• Crimson streak

  

  I know the big 10 and Notre dame were talking last summer when the expansions started. I honestly believe Notre dame will be in the big 10 by 2013
• gorocks99

  

  Oklahoma to Dan Beebe:
  
  
  
  http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/32135249
• SportsAndLady

  

  Well, cya Beebe lol
• karen lotz

  

  Pac 12 announces it won't expand.
• krambman

  

  karen lotz;905109 wrote:Pac 12 announces it won't expand.

  *now.
  
  Let's be honest, it's likely that it will still expand eventually. Honestly, this screws everyone up. Texas A&M is still going to move to the SEC, which is going to make the Big XII a 9 team conference. If the SEC extends an invite to Missouri, they are going to take it. Now the Big East's plan of merging with the remnants of the Big XII after the great exodus is shot. Now they'll have to look at teams like Army, Navy, Houston, Central Florida, and East Carolina to expand.
  
  I just hope that Jim Delany is on the phone right now with Notre Dame and Texas trying to work out a monumental deal that will shock everyone and set up the B1G as the clear winner in the expansion race and as the most financially viable conference for a long time to come.
• ts1227

  

  karen lotz;905109 wrote:Pac 12 announces it won't expand.

  http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6998751/pac-12-officials-decide-expansion