Outside the Lines Report This Morning...

• enigmaax

  Scooter1369;856311 wrote:One true statement there and one outright lie.
  
  OSU has released everything to the NCAA, you know, the people that actually farking matter. And the NCAA is ready to rule on the complete set of info. ESPN wants it to sensationalize the story some more and do more damage by taking a sledgehammer to the car after the wreck is over. Its not for any other reason than to smear Ohio State some more.

  It isn't a lie. The NCAA doesn't have anything to do with the open records law(s) that give ESPN the right to ask for and receive the information for whatever purpose. You can complain about what they do with the information all you want, but your question being addressed was why didn't they sue Oregon when they're suing OSU. The fact is that they got what they wanted from Oregon and OSU won't give them anything, despite being bound by law (not NCAA rules).
• vball10set

  WebFire;856309 wrote:Bingo! That's what I've said all along, but no one could wrap their head around it.

  
  lol--wut?????
• enigmaax

  Scooter1369;856316 wrote:The requests for emails, voicemails, office memos, phone records, for Lyles, Kelly, The AD, The assistant coaches, and players families and mentors. Any effort by ESPN to actually try to bring down Oregon, get Kelly and the AD fired, Calling for failure to monitor, Lack of institutional control, the death penalty or the harshest penalties they can convince the NCAA to give.
  
  That. Is. What's. Missing.

  
  Again, they didn't request any of those things before the NCAA ruled on OSU either. There has been no attempted resolution in the Oregon case yet, so it is a little early to say that they've mishandled it. And the mishandling of the OSU case by OSU's coach and administration is what drew more attention to them.
  
  The original Tat 5 incident didn't get an inordinate amount of press. When they lobbied to get the guys in the bowl game, while the guy who wrote the book on integrity went along with it knowing he'd already covered one set of tracks, business picked up. When OSU once again tried to push it aside with a piddly 2 game suspension, it picked up again. Then they increased it to five. Every sign in the world pointed to, "we're going to do what we think is just enough to make everything go away." It might have been a completely different story had they done a better job of investigating up front and waiting until they had all the facts before stumbling through exposure after exposure of continuing cover ups.
• FatHobbit

  

  enigmaax;856327 wrote:The fact is that they got what they wanted from Oregon and OSU won't give them anything, despite being bound by law (not NCAA rules).

  
  I think the problem here is that they didn't ask Oregon for much. Why do they hound OSU with thousands of requests, but only two for Oregon?
• sleeper

  

  enigmaax;856327 wrote:It isn't a lie. The NCAA doesn't have anything to do with the open records law(s) that give ESPN the right to ask for and receive the information for whatever purpose. You can complain about what they do with the information all you want, but your question being addressed was why didn't they sue Oregon when they're suing OSU. The fact is that they got what they wanted from Oregon and OSU won't give them anything, despite being bound by law (not NCAA rules).

  
  You clearly did not read OSU's response to the lawsuit. ESPN simply was lazy and asked for "all memos, letters, emails, documents, videos, phone conversations, between any and all staff, players, coaches, presidents, compliance offices, dealing with the tattoos, cars, mentors, for the past 20 years." It's not a request like "We'd like to see emails between Pryor and coach Tressel", and its not like OSU is not trying to be cooperative with ESPN; ESPN is just trying to be a bully.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  enigmaax;856327 wrote:It isn't a lie. The NCAA doesn't have anything to do with the open records law(s) that give ESPN the right to ask for and receive the information for whatever purpose. You can complain about what they do with the information all you want, but your question being addressed was why didn't they sue Oregon when they're suing OSU. The fact is that they got what they wanted from Oregon and OSU won't give them anything, despite being bound by law (not NCAA rules).

  
  
  Which law would that be? The Ohio open records law or the federal law that maintains student privacy?
  
  See the conflict?
  
  You state that OSU "won't give them anything, despite being bound by law" when, in fact, that's not true. Ohio State has released everything their attorneys felt they could release, given student privacy laws. This isn't a black and white matter, but people like you (and ESPN) act as if it is. At some point, a judge will likely decide what is legally an open record or not. Until then, let's not act like we know what has to be provided, because we do not.
  
  And ESPN or any of those other entities could be investigating those other schools at any point just like some of them did OSU. I hope they do.
  
  What I'm willing to bet, right now, is you will NOT hear all the ESPN pundits calling for people to be fired, hammers to be dropped on programs, and all the other BS you heard them say about Ohio State. They're in bed financially with those leagues (PAC 10 and SEC) and aren't going to damage their own product.
• FatHobbit

  

  enigmaax;856336 wrote:Again, they didn't request any of those things before the NCAA ruled on OSU either. There has been no attempted resolution in the Oregon case yet, so it is a little early to say that they've mishandled it. And the mishandling of the OSU case by OSU's coach and administration is what drew more attention to them.

  
  Other than clearing the tat5 to play in the bowl game (which was bs IMHO) has the NCAA ruled on OSU yet?
• Terry_Tate

  

  lol at ESPN. The fifth story on their main page on the right side is that Jim Tressel made $21.7 million at Ohio State. Must be a slow news day!
• WebFire

  vball10set;856328 wrote: lol--wut?????

  
  I've stated a couple times in other threads that the reason ESPN isn't "picking" on these schools is because they haven't come out and had a press conference saying "we did this". ESPN didn't do anything with OSU until their press conference admitting guilt.
• enigmaax

  Writerbuckeye;856343 wrote:Which law would that be? The Ohio open records law or the federal law that maintains student privacy?
  
  See the conflict?
  
  You state that OSU "won't give them anything, despite being bound by law" when, in fact, that's not true. Ohio State has released everything their attorneys felt they could release, given student privacy laws. This isn't a black and white matter, but people like you (and ESPN) act as if it is. At some point, a judge will likely decide what is legally an open record or not. Until then, let's not act like we know what has to be provided, because we do not.

  I agree with this 100% minus the part where you say I'm trying to act as if it is black and white. The question is "why isn't ESPN suing Oregon?" The answer is because their request from Oregon was fulfilled to the extent that they got what they needed. From ESPN's perspective, OSU is unfairly withholding information that they (in ESPN's mind) are bound by law to provide. So how else would they settle that matter? I have absolutely no idea who will win when a judge rules on it, but there is a very simple explanation as to why ESPN isn't suing Oregon that has nothing to do with "hating OSU".
  

  What I'm willing to bet, right now, is you will NOT hear all the ESPN pundits calling for people to be fired, hammers to be dropped on programs, and all the other BS you heard them say about Ohio State. They're in bed financially with those leagues (PAC 10 and SEC) and aren't going to damage their own product.

  
  There is a difference between saying what you really want to say and being out to get someone. That is the doubt that I have. Some people act as though ESPN plotted this whole thing to kill the Big Ten by cutting off its head. Remember that OSU messed up first; they had no heat until that point. And they kept digging a grave in their handling of the situation. A lot of OSU fans agreed with what ESPN was saying, so all those extremes aren't necessarily attempts to settle some score over TV rights. In that regard, it wasn't BS.
• enigmaax

  FatHobbit;856345 wrote:Other than clearing the tat5 to play in the bowl game (which was bs IMHO) has the NCAA ruled on OSU yet?

  
  The issue would've been dead when the NCAA ruled on the suspensions had the additional info not come to light. Once it did, OSU tried to head it off by self-imposing a couple of different things. Both of those things are distinctly different from the Oregon case, which is why I said "no attempted resolution".
• enigmaax

  sleeper;856341 wrote:You clearly did not read OSU's response to the lawsuit. ESPN simply was lazy and asked for "all memos, letters, emails, documents, videos, phone conversations, between any and all staff, players, coaches, presidents, compliance offices, dealing with the tattoos, cars, mentors, for the past 20 years." It's not a request like "We'd like to see emails between Pryor and coach Tressel"

  I believe and agree with this.
  

  sleeper;856341 wrote:its not like OSU is not trying to be cooperative with ESPN;

  
  
  I don't believe this.
  

  ESPN is just trying to be a bully.

  Maybe, but if they have the right (which they'll find out) then I don't know that it should be characterized this way.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  As someone who worked in state government and fulfilled hundreds of media requests under Ohio's open records law, I can tell you most media don't believe you are giving them everything no matter what you provide. If it doesn't have the smoking gun they're looking for, they think you're holding out on them.
  
  What they don't get is that the people fulfilling those requests would lose their jobs if they held anything back. That's a fact. It is the same at OSU, I'm sure. Which is why I have a very hard time believing they are not cooperating on fulfilling the requests as best they're able.
  
  Why would they jeopardize their jobs and pensions to protect Ohio State? They wouldn't.
• enigmaax

  Writerbuckeye;856378 wrote:As someone who worked in state government and fulfilled hundreds of media requests under Ohio's open records law, I can tell you most media don't believe you are giving them everything no matter what you provide. If it doesn't have the smoking gun they're looking for, they think you're holding out on them.
  
  What they don't get is that the people fulfilling those requests would lose their jobs if they held anything back. That's a fact. It is the same at OSU, I'm sure. Which is why I have a very hard time believing they are not cooperating on fulfilling the requests as best they're able.
  
  Why would they jeopardize their jobs and pensions to protect Ohio State? They wouldn't.

  
  That all makes sense.
• darbypitcher22

  

  as Friday gets closer I still have a feeling that we won't have any sort of resolution to the case...
• vball10set

  darbypitcher22;856916 wrote:as Friday gets closer I still have a feeling that we won't have any sort of resolution to the case...

  
  IMO, it's all about the "two's"...we lose two scholly's over the next two years and get two years probation
• dat dude

  darbypitcher22;856916 wrote:as Friday gets closer I still have a feeling that we won't have any sort of resolution to the case...

  
  Well, no. Friday is just the hearing. We won't know the penalties for an estimated six to eight weeks.
• darbypitcher22

  

  dat dude;857225 wrote:Well, no. Friday is just the hearing. We won't know the penalties for an estimated six to eight weeks.

  
  Could be longer though right? I'll bet the NCAA drags it out and out and out right into that prime recruiting stretch during bowl season
• Scooter1369

  

  Disney Sports Channel still at work being Disney Channel Sports
  
  http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6850888/ncaa-sends-second-letter-investigating-ohio-state
• OSH

  

  From this Disney article, there is some movement to reform.
  
  I say it's about time. It's time for some change in the NCAA. Out of everything that has adjusted and changed throughout times...the NCAA hasn't done a good job of evolving while also thinking about what's easiest, best, and smartest for college athletics.
  
  Maybe we can see the NCAA playing a role in enhancing player development while also maintaining academic excellence???