Outside the Lines Report This Morning...

• 0311sdp

  If you don't think that ESPN favors the SEC above any other conference then watch the 1/2 hour daily college football show. Even if the show is supposed to be about another conference that day it always is at least 1/2 devoted to the SEC and interviewing their coaches (Saban and Chizik) at least 3 times already, probably 2 of the biggest rule stretchers and unethical coaches around, yet ESPN treats them as if they were Gods. And I agree as any rational person can see for some reason ESPN seems out to get Ohio State and I don't understand why with all the former OSU guys that work for them.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  ytownfootball;854049 wrote:Really? Name one other program that has come under one half the scrutiny Ohio State has in the last decade by ESPN. Just one.

  Name me one other program that had a running back phenom leave the program for breaking NCAA rules (and then ended up in the slammer), and had their starting quarterback break NCAA rules and face suspension (and then win a Heisman), and then catch five huge players right before a BCS game and then to watch their quarterback and Heisman candidate leave school, and then have their coach be caught covering it up. Just one.
  
  Listen, ESPN is a business. They cover big time teams and players more often than they cover the little guys. If you're going to brag about being the best team in the country, then don't bitch about it when you fuck up and the sharks want stories. Yes, they search profusely and they put up silly half-written stories about possible leads and incidents and have a slew of talking heads throw their meaningless conjecture on top of it.
  
  That's the business and it's why I can say with full confidence that ESPN as an entity has nothing against Ohio State. Discrimination and unsubstantiated hatred are bad for business, and ESPN is certainly great at being a business. It's why Brett Favre rumors become breaking news when they shouldn't, it's why were constantly updated about Yankees baseball pitching and hitting concerns, it's why Lebron James talk is nonstop, it's why every big name is talked about as much as possible. The negative stories just sell more and ESPN is giving people what they want to hear.
  
  I mean this in the nicest way possible, but stop being such a pussy.
  

  Writerbuckeye;854445 wrote:ESPN is doing more than just digging and reporting. They have just about all of their commentators out there, on their soapboxes, seeking harsher punishment for Ohio State than what is warranted by the letter of allegations.
  
  Nobody else under investigation has faced this type of attack by ESPN. Not now. Not ever.

  No, they're not. The commentators are idiots, everyone knows that much. Have you ever heard of sensationalism? It used to sell newspapers and now it gets more viewers and article clicks. They do this more often than you are thinking. You're not the first program to have them post incomplete reports about that turned out to be false.
  
  
  This whole thing reminds me of how you don't realize thousands of other people drive a particular car until it's yours. You guys aren't realizing the scrutiny other schools went through until it was you. It has only been exacerbated by Ohio State's sloppy replies. It took them months to get their shit straight and it was embarrassing for all of them in the Athletic Department.
• ytownfootball

  

  Tobias Fünke;854799 wrote:Listen, ESPN is a business. They cover big time teams and players more often than they cover the little guys. If you're going to brag about being the best team in the country, then don't bitch about it when you **** up and the sharks want stories. Yes, they search profusely and they put up silly half-written stories about possible leads and incidents and have a slew of talking heads throw their meaningless conjecture on top of it. That's the business and it's why I can say with full confidence that ESPN as an entity has nothing against Ohio State. Discrimination and unsubstantiated hatred are bad for business, and ESPN is certainly great at being a business. It's why Brett Favre rumors become breaking news when they shouldn't, it's why were constantly updated about Yankees baseball pitching and hitting concerns, it's why Lebron James talk is nonstop, it's why every big name is talked about as much as possible. The negative stories just sell more and ESPN is giving people what they want to hear.
  
  I mean this in the nicest way possible, but stop being such a ****.

  You're a delusional little 'tard...I don't brag about anything, when you make statements like that to start your little diatribe, rest assured what is to follow will be an attempt to substantiate nonsense. You're quite unable to see it subjectively, while you attend Ohio State, your disdain for the fans is more than obvious. Laughable really.
  
  Listen...you didn't answer the 'effin question
  
  I mean this in the nicest way possible...grow up and see the forest for the trees.
• gyea36

  Tobias Fünke;854799 wrote:Name me one other program that had a running back phenom leave the program for breaking NCAA rules (and then ended up in the slammer), and had their starting quarterback break NCAA rules and face suspension (and then win a Heisman), and then catch five huge players right before a BCS game and then to watch their quarterback and Heisman candidate leave school, and then have their coach be caught covering it up. Just one.
  
  Auburn?

• Writerbuckeye

  

  How about a school that was paying both football and basketball players -- and coaches on both staffs knew it -- and the institution is belligerent and combative; refuses to cooperate and the athletic director makes public comments about how the allegations aren't true, but are lies spread by people who are envious of the school's success?
  
  Wouldn't you expect there to be lots of investigations and digging by reporters, with continous stories and commentary raking them over the coals for the duration of the investigation and beyond?
  
  And yet it didn't happen -- even though it's arguably one of the top 5 football programs in the entire country historically, and was the media darling of the entire sports world with a charismatic coach for years...even while some of the allegations were out there in print. The same media monster that has skewered and bashed OSU from the moment either of its scandals broke...until far beyond the investigations were completed -- all but ignored what was happening. In fact, many of the pundits who are now bashing OSU constantly, went on the defensive for the USC coach, making excuses and saying it was "only one player" and that coach obviously didn't know anything about it.
  
  Assumptions of innocence that were never given to OSU when Clarett and a few other disgruntled players were making outrageous allegations.
  
  When another top program lost its top QB to criminal charges and then shortly thereafter was embroiled in a recruiting scandal, did this media monster or any other media go into Oregon and start digging and not leave until they'd found lots of stories? Did they do endless columns and commentaries about how the program was obviously out of control?
  
  You see, it's not just that Ohio State has been bashed unrelentingly during this past decade and MOSTLY for "transgressions" that were later proven to be totally false...it's that no other program has faced the same amount of scrutiny and been hammered publicly even as the investigations have gone on by media...long after the NCAA left town and had determined its infractions.
  
  I'd say OSU fans have a right to feel picked on and to believe there's an on-going bias against them, when programs t that commit six times as many major infractions don't face 1/10th the media investigative time and effort, or on-going commentary they have.
  
  All that said, I do believe a good portion of this is related to the economic threat posed by the Big Ten Network to ESPN now and in the future. OSU has been the flagship program for the league the BTN covers, so bringing it down can only help make programming less attractive to advertisers. As the landscape of college football continues to change, and if we see entities like NBC or Fox start to buy up more college football via league network rights...you may see more of this same venom focused on other schools.
  
  But since the BTN was the first to challenge ESPN's territory to this degree, I doubt we'll ever see anything like the assault on Ohio State that has taken place in the past 10 years.
• Speedofsand

  

  Writerbuckeye;854900 wrote:

  
  you are pathetic
• Speedofsand

  

  Writerbuckeye;854900 wrote:How about a school that was paying both football and basketball players -- and coaches on both staffs knew it -- and the institution is belligerent and combative; refuses to cooperate and the athletic director makes public comments about how the allegations aren't true, but are lies spread by people who are envious of the school's success?
  
  Wouldn't you expect there to be lots of investigations and digging by reporters, with continous stories and commentary raking them over the coals for the duration of the investigation and beyond?
  
  And yet it didn't happen -- even though it's arguably one of the top 5 football programs in the entire country historically, and was the media darling of the entire sports world with a charismatic coach for years...even while some of the allegations were out there in print. The same media monster that has skewered and bashed OSU from the moment either of its scandals broke...until far beyond the investigations were completed -- all but ignored what was happening. In fact, many of the pundits who are now bashing OSU constantly, went on the defensive for the USC coach, making excuses and saying it was "only one player" and that coach obviously didn't know anything about it.
  
  Assumptions of innocence that were never given to OSU when Clarett and a few other disgruntled players were making outrageous allegations.
  
  When another top program lost its top QB to criminal charges and then shortly thereafter was embroiled in a recruiting scandal, did this media monster or any other media go into Oregon and start digging and not leave until they'd found lots of stories? Did they do endless columns and commentaries about how the program was obviously out of control?
  
  You see, it's not just that Ohio State has been bashed unrelentingly during this past decade and MOSTLY for "transgressions" that were later proven to be totally false...it's that no other program has faced the same amount of scrutiny and been hammered publicly even as the investigations have gone on by media...long after the NCAA left town and had determined its infractions.
  
  I'd say OSU fans have a right to feel picked on and to believe there's an on-going bias against them, when programs t that commit six times as many major infractions don't face 1/10th the media investigative time and effort, or on-going commentary they have.
  
  All that said, I do believe a good portion of this is related to the economic threat posed by the Big Ten Network to ESPN now and in the future. OSU has been the flagship program for the league the BTN covers, so bringing it down can only help make programming less attractive to advertisers. As the landscape of college football continues to change, and if we see entities like NBC or Fox start to buy up more college football via league network rights...you may see more of this same venom focused on other schools.
  
  But since the BTN was the first to challenge ESPN's territory to this degree, I doubt we'll ever see anything like the assault on Ohio State that has taken place in the past 10 years.

  
  
• Tobias Fünke

  

  ytownfootball;854800 wrote:You're a delusional little 'tard...I don't brag about anything, when you make statements like that to start your little diatribe, rest assured what is to follow will be an attempt to substantiate nonsense. You're quite unable to see it subjectively, while you attend Ohio State, your disdain for the fans is more than obvious. Laughable really.
  
  Listen...you didn't answer the 'effin question
  
  I mean this in the nicest way possible...grow up and see the forest for the trees.

  
  Just don't ever brag about being an elite program and then cry like a bitch when the news crews what to know as much as possible.
  
  ESPN is out to get you. Yahoo! Sports is out to get you. The Columbus Dispatch is out to get you. Everyone is out to get you because Ohio State makes them all jealous.... :rolleyes:
  
  
  

  gyea36;854884 wrote:Auburn?

  Perhaps. They certainly haven't had the streak that Ohio State has built over the last decade. ESPN was all over it while it lasted but the NCAA said he was eligible, what more do you want? ESPN didn't break the initial story with Ohio State, why are we expecting them to do so with Auburn?
  
  I am in no way saying what ESPN is going is right or admirable. I just think they do it all of the time and Buckeye fans are in large party just crying--it's sad. Especially since this happened in the summer months and there is nothing to talk about.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Speedofsand;854908 wrote:

  
  I see you found a photo that represents your IQ. Congrats.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Tobias Fünke;854917 wrote:Just don't ever brag about being an elite program and then cry like a bitch when the news crews what to know as much as possible.
  
  ESPN is out to get you. Yahoo! Sports is out to get you. The Columbus Dispatch is out to get you. Everyone is out to get you because Ohio State makes them all jealous.... :rolleyes:
  
  
  
  
  
  Perhaps. They certainly haven't had the streak that Ohio State has built over the last decade. ESPN was all over it while it lasted but the NCAA said he was eligible, what more do you want? ESPN didn't break the initial story with Ohio State, why are we expecting them to do so with Auburn?
  
  I am in no way saying what ESPN is going is right or admirable. I just think they do it all of the time and Buckeye fans are in large party just crying--it's sad. Especially since this happened in the summer months and there is nothing to talk about.

  
  Obviously, they don't do it "all the time" or we'd have other examples. There aren't any, now, are there? If you can provide a list of all these examples that you have found, please do so. Otherwise, if we're crying -- you're full of shit.
• sleeper

  

  Writerbuckeye;854900 wrote:How about a school that was paying both football and basketball players -- and coaches on both staffs knew it -- and the institution is belligerent and combative; refuses to cooperate and the athletic director makes public comments about how the allegations aren't true, but are lies spread by people who are envious of the school's success?
  
  Wouldn't you expect there to be lots of investigations and digging by reporters, with continous stories and commentary raking them over the coals for the duration of the investigation and beyond?
  
  And yet it didn't happen -- even though it's arguably one of the top 5 football programs in the entire country historically, and was the media darling of the entire sports world with a charismatic coach for years...even while some of the allegations were out there in print. The same media monster that has skewered and bashed OSU from the moment either of its scandals broke...until far beyond the investigations were completed -- all but ignored what was happening. In fact, many of the pundits who are now bashing OSU constantly, went on the defensive for the USC coach, making excuses and saying it was "only one player" and that coach obviously didn't know anything about it.
  
  Assumptions of innocence that were never given to OSU when Clarett and a few other disgruntled players were making outrageous allegations.
  
  When another top program lost its top QB to criminal charges and then shortly thereafter was embroiled in a recruiting scandal, did this media monster or any other media go into Oregon and start digging and not leave until they'd found lots of stories? Did they do endless columns and commentaries about how the program was obviously out of control?
  
  You see, it's not just that Ohio State has been bashed unrelentingly during this past decade and MOSTLY for "transgressions" that were later proven to be totally false...it's that no other program has faced the same amount of scrutiny and been hammered publicly even as the investigations have gone on by media...long after the NCAA left town and had determined its infractions.
  
  I'd say OSU fans have a right to feel picked on and to believe there's an on-going bias against them, when programs t that commit six times as many major infractions don't face 1/10th the media investigative time and effort, or on-going commentary they have.
  
  All that said, I do believe a good portion of this is related to the economic threat posed by the Big Ten Network to ESPN now and in the future. OSU has been the flagship program for the league the BTN covers, so bringing it down can only help make programming less attractive to advertisers. As the landscape of college football continues to change, and if we see entities like NBC or Fox start to buy up more college football via league network rights...you may see more of this same venom focused on other schools.
  
  But since the BTN was the first to challenge ESPN's territory to this degree, I doubt we'll ever see anything like the assault on Ohio State that has taken place in the past 10 years.

  
  Not that I disagree with you, but why even try? The Ohio State University is probably the most hated university on the planet, and we'll keep winning despite the media bias and the haters. I personally don't mind it, we're hated because we are the best both on and off the field; take that to the bank.
• Speedofsand

  

  
  

  Writerbuckeye;854924 wrote:I see you found a photo that represents your IQ. Congrats.

  
  You could never win a battle of intelligence with me. You have very little ammunition.
  
  
  OSU is my 2nd favorite team. I just can't stand whiners who think OSU has not lied or broken rules to win football games. Most fans get it. You don't. Fans of other teams, media, former Buckeye players who disagree with people like you are called dirty names and accused of being wrong. Grow up and accept the real truth. You are going to piss your panties if the NCAA dishes out more penalty than you think is justified this week. Better get some depends.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Speedofsand;854968 wrote:
  
  
  
  You could never win a battle of intelligence with me. You have very little ammunition.
  
  
  OSU is my 2nd favorite team. I just can't stand whiners who think OSU has not lied or broken rules to win football games. Most fans get it. You don't. Fans of other teams, media, former Buckeye players who disagree with people like you are called dirty names and accused of being wrong. Grow up and accept the real truth. You are going to piss your panties if the NCAA dishes out more penalty than you think is justified this week. Better get some depends.

  
  Meh, you're more likely compensating for a lack of size elsewhere with all this unwarranted bragging.
  
  You're either as stupid as I think you are or blind -- since I've already (many times in these threads) clearly stated that OSU is getting the punishment they deserved for Tressel's lying on the compliance form. My disgust with how OSU has been publicly bashed by the media -- most of it based on false accusations -- and disproportionate to how every other university has been treated in this situation is perfectly valid. Even if people like you want to Herbstreit the whole issue by acting like you're soooo objective when nothing could be further from the truth.
  
  Oh and genius...the NCAA isn't likely to dish out any penalties this week. It's the hearing. The penalties will likely be announced a month or two down the road.
• Speedofsand

  

  It's not bragging, it's an old fact. 124 without even trying. Probably much lower since I've been posting here. Glad you have plenty of time to save up for your depends.
• Fly4Fun

  

  Speedofsand;855163 wrote:It's not bragging, it's an old fact. 124 without even trying. Probably much lower since I've been posting here. Glad you have plenty of time to save up for your depends.

  
  IQ test from the internet or did you get it done professionally?
  
  If the former, haha... if the latter, why?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Speedofsand;854968 wrote:OSU is my 2nd favorite team.

  lol bandwagon at its best. SMH.
  

  Speedofsand;855163 wrote:It's not bragging, it's an old fact. 124 without even trying.

  lol. C4F would like to know your SAT/ACT scores.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Fly4Fun;855185 wrote:If the former, haha... if the latter, why?

  
  Thought you were the only one huh? You mad that he scored higher?
• Speedofsand

  

  It was when I went into training for a law enforcement academy. Took it at the local Community College. 15 yrs ago. Want my SAT score?
• Fly4Fun

  

  Speedofsand;855215 wrote:It was when I went into training for a law enforcement academy. Took it at the local Community College. 15 yrs ago. Want my SAT score?

  
  No, I was just making sure you didn't believe one of those on-line tests were accurate...
  
  And if it was professionally done then I was just curious as to why. People don't get IQ tests that often... I know I've never had a reason to take one, nor could I see myself ever taking one.
• vball10set

  Speedofsand;855215 wrote:It was when I went into training for a law enforcement academy. Took it at the local Community College. 15 yrs ago. Want my SAT score?

  
• Tobias Fünke

  

  Writerbuckeye;854927 wrote:Obviously, they don't do it "all the time" or we'd have other examples. There aren't any, now, are there?.

  
  Examples of what? ESPN over-reporting useless or false information? The continual Brett Favre sags, the Ty Willingham firing and accusations of racism that lasted for several years, a ton of love towards LeBron James, a ton hatred towards LeBron James. In the college game they investigated the DeAndre Liggins' recruitment for five months, "unnamed sources" saying Les Miles was going to Michigan, keep in mind they broke the Cam Newton investigation (and not the Ohio State one), etc etc etc. They over report everythinggggggg.
  
  Can you honesty say that if you saw this story unfold you wouldn't pure a ton of resources into it:
  
  --arguably the most dominant football program in history (Ohio State is the only elite program I can think of that has never had an bad decade) gets caught with their coach lying to NCAA investigators (and this is the coach with--correct me if I'm wrong--the best winning percentage in conference history and nicknamed "the Senator"). Not only that but five players, and maybe more, were caught breaking NCAA rules that lead to it, including the former #1 overall recruit and one of a handful of guys in college football whose careers are followed coast-to-coast. Then there are rumors that he was even getting money from a booster for selling his gear, and checks were on his account statements. Then, to make matters worse, both guys leave school in the midst of an investigation and are thus suddenly off limits to NCAA investigators so the true nature of what went on will never be known. And what makes it even worse is that the school dragged their feet and contradicted each other; it took them a while to release statements with substance or to come clean. The university administration put on a clinic for what not to do during the process.
  
  The righteous coach at an elite university on a record conference championship streak and his all-america athlete at quarterback get canned. Stuff like this happens rarely.
  
  You honestly think the biggest sports news network wouldn't want to see what the hell was really going on? You don't think there are tens of millions of people wanted to know what happened under the levels of secrecy instantly in today's instant information age? You don't think that causes the common rush-to-post articles? You don't think Ohio State dragging its feet with press releases and untruthful press conferences and contradictory actions/comments made the situation so much worse? Let's be honest, what the players have been proven to have done is not that bad and Ohio State just made it much, much worse by providing so much opportunity for speculation.
  
  No, you think ESPN is out to burn Ohio Stadium to the ground. Just answer me one question: why?
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Tobias Fünke;855258 wrote:Examples of what? ESPN over-reporting useless or false information? The continual Brett Favre sags, the Ty Willingham firing and accusations of racism that lasted for several years, a ton of love towards LeBron James, a ton hatred towards LeBron James. In the college game they investigated the DeAndre Liggins' recruitment for five months, "unnamed sources" saying Les Miles was going to Michigan, keep in mind they broke the Cam Newton investigation (and not the Ohio State one), etc etc etc. They over report everythinggggggg.
  
  Can you honesty say that if you saw this story unfold you wouldn't pure a ton of resources into it:
  
  --arguably the most dominant football program in history (Ohio State is the only elite program I can think of that has never had an bad decade) gets caught with their coach lying to NCAA investigators (and this is the coach with--correct me if I'm wrong--the best winning percentage in conference history and nicknamed "the Senator"). Not only that but five players, and maybe more, were caught breaking NCAA rules that lead to it, including the former #1 overall recruit and one of a handful of guys in college football whose careers are followed coast-to-coast. Then there are rumors that he was even getting money from a booster for selling his gear, and checks were on his account statements. Then, to make matters worse, both guys leave school in the midst of an investigation and are thus suddenly off limits to NCAA investigators so the true nature of what went on will never be known. And what makes it even worse is that the school dragged their feet and contradicted each other; it took them a while to release statements with substance or to come clean. The university administration put on a clinic for what not to do during the process.
  
  The righteous coach at an elite university on a record conference championship streak and his all-america athlete at quarterback get canned. Stuff like this happens rarely.
  
  You honestly think the biggest sports news network wouldn't want to see what the hell was really going on? You don't think there are tens of millions of people wanted to know what happened under the levels of secrecy instantly in today's instant information age? You don't think that causes the common rush-to-post articles? You don't think Ohio State dragging its feet with press releases and untruthful press conferences and contradictory actions/comments made the situation so much worse? Let's be honest, what the players have been proven to have done is not that bad and Ohio State just made it much, much worse by providing so much opportunity for speculation.
  
  No, you think ESPN is out to burn Ohio Stadium to the ground. Just answer me one question: why?

  All that ranting and you're not only wrong -- you don't get it.
  
  ESPN has not put a lot of "resources" into anything regarding this story. They didn't send a flock of reporters into Columbus on Day 1 and stay there for months, digging up everything they could. Hell, they didn't even come to Columbus until almost every allegation to be made was already out there -- and that producer (the Outside the Lines producer, I believe) could only come up with another lame rehashing of events, and throw in Bruce Hooley (a guy who got fired from the local radio station for trashing Tressel and OSU beyond what was considered rational) and Small, a disgruntled player who spent most of his career in JT's doghouse.
  
  All ESPN has done through most of this is PONTIFICATE. They've had a full court press on all media fronts with pundits saying that OSU's transgressions were much worse than USC's (a lie) and they should get much worse penalties. That was the meme from the get-go, and that's what all the various announcers stuck with.
  
  But resources? No.
  
  It doesn't cost them anything extra to have their already employed people rant and rave about how unfair the NCAA is being if they don't hammer OSU to the ground.
  
  As for why they would continue to pound this same theme, over and over again, I honestly believe a big part of it has to do with trying to kill the flagship of the one league that has basically told your organization to go to hell, and signed with a competitor to carry the games. If the conference is weakened or the "product" tainted, it very likely could result in less viewers and less advertising revenue. And if the network ultimately fails, then your network is back in front as the leader to get the next contract from the league.
  
  I don't think it's that hard to understand.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  Writerbuckeye;855309 wrote:All that ranting and you're not only wrong -- you don't get it.
  
  ESPN has not put a lot of "resources" into anything regarding this story. They didn't send a flock of reporters into Columbus on Day 1 and stay there for months, digging up everything they could. Hell, they didn't even come to Columbus until almost every allegation to be made was already out there -- and that producer (the Outside the Lines producer, I believe) could only come up with another lame rehashing of events, and throw in Bruce Hooley (a guy who got fired from the local radio station for trashing Tressel and OSU beyond what was considered rational) and Small, a disgruntled player who spent most of his career in JT's doghouse.
  
  All ESPN has done through most of this is PONTIFICATE. They've had a full court press on all media fronts with pundits saying that OSU's transgressions were much worse than USC's (a lie) and they should get much worse penalties. That was the meme from the get-go, and that's what all the various announcers stuck with.
  
  But resources? No.
  
  It doesn't cost them anything extra to have their already employed people rant and rave about how unfair the NCAA is being if they don't hammer OSU to the ground.
  
  As for why they would continue to pound this same theme, over and over again, I honestly believe a big part of it has to do with trying to kill the flagship of the one league that has basically told your organization to go to hell, and signed with a competitor to carry the games. If the conference is weakened or the "product" tainted, it very likely could result in less viewers and less advertising revenue. And if the network ultimately fails, then your network is back in front as the leader to get the next contract from the league.
  
  I don't think it's that hard to understand.

  
  
  So the news organization that broke the story had no one working on the story for months??
  
  Oh I get it now:
  
  
  
  You guys are so lame. Ranting = listing the shit Ohio State has spewed over the last few months? lulz..
• WebFire

  
• Writerbuckeye

  

  ESPN did not break this story -- once again you are dead wrong.
  
  Yahoo was the original news source.
  
  CNN-SI sent in their so-called Pulitzer Prize winning writer.
  
  ESPN sent NOBODY -- until the producer I mentioned came to Columbus long after every allegation was already out there.