Outside the Lines Report This Morning...

• ts1227

  

  Writerbuckeye;854005 wrote:Is there still anyone out there who doesn't think ESPN has an on-going agenda against OSU?
  
  This piece was nothing more than an effort to persuade the NCAA to give Ohio State worse sanctions.
  
  If they'd used anyone credible in the piece, it might have had some impact. But Hooley and Small have become caricatures in this mess.

  
• ytownfootball

  

  cats gone wild;854120 wrote:I think ESPN shows "favoritism" towards schools not agendas against certain teams.

  So what was the difference in USC and Ohio State in as much as "agendas" are concerned? Same type of allegations for the most part, totally different type of coverage. Any other schools been sued by ESPN?
  
  Whether it's crappy journalism, hatred of OSU, or whatever, the bottom line remains the same, Ohio State is being painted in a bad light by the "worldwide leader in sports" without good cause or substantiation. Period.
• jordo212000

  

  I think ESPN shows "favoritism" towards schools not agendas against certain teams.

  So what was the difference in USC and Ohio State in as much as "agendas" are concerned? Same type of allegations for the most part, totally different type of coverage. Any other schools been sued by ESPN?
  
  Whether it's crappy journalism, hatred of OSU, or whatever, the bottom line remains the same, Ohio State is being painted in a bad light by the "worldwide leader in sports" without good cause or substantiation. Period.

  Ohio State is getting everything it deserves. ESPN has plenty of cause/substantiation.
  
  With that being said, the coverage has not been the same for other schools who have come up in the news. For whatever reason all of Espn's dirt diggers are focusing 90% on Ohio State. The other 10% of their focus is divided among LSU, Auburn, and Oregon
• sleeper

  

  The media bias is pretty bad but who cares? OSU will keep winning football games and being the premier destination for talent on the field as well as off.
• sleeper

  

  jordo212000;854352 wrote:Ohio State is getting everything it deserves. ESPN has plenty of cause/substantiation.
  
  With that being said, the coverage has not been the same for other schools who have come up in the news. For whatever reason all of Espn's dirt diggers are focusing 90% on Ohio State. The other 10% of their focus is divided among LSU, Auburn, and Oregon

  
  5 players get tattoos and a coach tries to fix it an improper way and that deserves 6 months + of on going garbage spewed out against the premier university in the country?
  
  Sheesh. It's a violation, sure, but the SEC is about as corrupt as you can come and we never hear anything about them.
• jordo212000

  

  Ohio State is getting everything it deserves. ESPN has plenty of cause/substantiation.
  
  With that being said, the coverage has not been the same for other schools who have come up in the news. For whatever reason all of Espn's dirt diggers are focusing 90% on Ohio State. The other 10% of their focus is divided among LSU, Auburn, and Oregon

  
  5 players get tattoos and a coach tries to fix it an improper way and that deserves 6 months + of on going garbage spewed out against the premier university in the country?
  
  Sheesh. It's a violation, sure, but the SEC is about as corrupt as you can come and we never hear anything about them.

  The tattoos are small potatoes at this point. The main problem was that he lied not only to the university, but to the NCAA. Which... is a big deal
• Writerbuckeye

  

  jordo212000;854365 wrote:The tattoos are small potatoes at this point. The main problem was that he lied not only to the university, but to the NCAA. Which... is a big deal

  
  Tressel did NOT lie to the NCAA.
• jordo212000

  

  Writerbuckeye;854370 wrote:Tressel did NOT lie to the NCAA.

  
  Actually he kinda did. They asked him if he was aware of any violations and he said no. (He was)
• jordo212000

  

  Writerbuckeye;854370 wrote:Tressel did NOT lie to the NCAA.

  
  Some people just aren't able to take the scarlet colored glasses off...
  
  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/14991677/ncaa-alleges-tressel-lied-to-hide-ncaa-violations/rss
  

  In a sharply worded rebuke of Ohio State's Jim Tressel, the NCAA on Monday accused the 10-year coach of withholding information and lying to keep Buckeyes players on the field who had accepted improper benefits from the owner of a tattoo parlor... In a "notice of allegations" sent to the school, the NCAA said Monday that the violations relating to the coach are considered "potential major violations." ... In a 13-page indictment of Tressel's behavior, the NCAA alleged that Tressel had "permitted football student-athletes to participate in intercollegiate athletics while ineligible." It also said he "failed to deport himself ... [with] honesty and integrity" and said he was lying when he filled out a compliance form in September which said he had no knowledge of any NCAA violations by any of his players.

• ytownfootball

  

  jordo212000;854352 wrote:Ohio State is getting everything it deserves. ESPN has plenty of cause/substantiation.
  
  With that being said, the coverage has not been the same for other schools who have come up in the news. For whatever reason all of Espn's dirt diggers are focusing 90% on Ohio State. The other 10% of their focus is divided among LSU, Auburn, and Oregon

  
  
  Do you really just type to see your name in print? You're the embodiment of contradiction.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  jordo212000;854377 wrote:Some people just aren't able to take the scarlet colored glasses off...
  
  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/14991677/ncaa-alleges-tressel-lied-to-hide-ncaa-violations/rss

  
  He did not lie to the NCAA when interviewed. The lie occurred with the compliance form he filled out for OSU. There is a difference. Bruce Peal lied directly to the NCAA when they talked to him; Tressel did no such thing.
• jordo212000

  

  ytownfootball;854428 wrote:Do you really just type to see your name in print? You're the embodiment of contradiction.

  
  In what way?
  
  Ohio State broke rules and deserves to be punished. ESPN is reporting and digging on stuff that they did.
  
  Oregon, LSU, and Auburn all seem to have broken rules, or at the very least, their actions warrant some close examination, yet we do not see the same amount of attention going towards their campuses.
• ytownfootball

  

  Ohio State got what they deserve...and waaayyy more. You seem to think it's (the digging and over board BS) par for the course, Clearly it is not, thus contradictory, and contrite on your part which is par for the course.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  jordo212000;854437 wrote:In what way?
  
  Ohio State broke rules and deserves to be punished. ESPN is reporting and digging on stuff that they did.
  
  Oregon, LSU, and Auburn all seem to have broken rules, or at the very least, their actions warrant some close examination, yet we do not see the same amount of attention going towards their campuses.

  
  ESPN is doing more than just digging and reporting. They have just about all of their commentators out there, on their soapboxes, seeking harsher punishment for Ohio State than what is warranted by the letter of allegations.
  
  Nobody else under investigation has faced this type of attack by ESPN. Not now. Not ever.
• jordo212000

  

  Writerbuckeye;854431 wrote:He did not lie to the NCAA when interviewed. The lie occurred with the compliance form he filled out for OSU. There is a difference. Bruce Peal lied directly to the NCAA when they talked to him; Tressel did no such thing.

  
  How is that not lying to the NCAA? In the form, it asks the coach if he is aware of any violations and he said he wasn't aware. That's lying to the NCAA.
• jordo212000

  

  ytownfootball;854443 wrote:Ohio State got what they deserve...and waaayyy more. You seem to think it's (the digging and over board BS) par for the course, Clearly it is not, thus contradictory, and contrite on your part which is par for the course.

  
  How did Ohio State get more than what they/we deserve. So far it looks as if we might get off easy. We dodged a major bullet a few weeks ago. So far, we have been disciplining ourselves. SI and ESPN keep digging, but it seems as if pretty much everything is limited to the tattoos and Tress's subsequent lying.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  jordo212000;854375 wrote:Actually he kinda did. They asked him if he was aware of any violations and he said no. (He was)

  
  This is what you wrote. That states that the NCAA asked him (face to face) and he said no. There was no such face to face denial by Tressel.
  
  Nobody is denying he lied -- but it was on the compliance form and not directly to the NCAA.
• jordo212000

  

  Writerbuckeye;854445 wrote:ESPN is doing more than just digging and reporting. They have just about all of their commentators out there, on their soapboxes, seeking harsher punishment for Ohio State than what is warranted by the letter of allegations.

  Like I said earlier, initially, I disagreed with this, but as time has gone on I find myself coming to this viewpoint. They just keep digging and their isn't much there. Yet, because they have been digging, it seems like they want to try and justify all the resources they have spent/wasted by blowing up the little bit of information that they have.
• jordo212000

  

  Writerbuckeye;854454 wrote:This is what you wrote. That states that the NCAA asked him (face to face) and he said no. There was no such face to face denial by Tressel.
  
  Nobody is denying he lied -- but it was on the compliance form and not directly to the NCAA.

  
  LOL. What I said was not incorrect. The NCAA via a form, indirectly asked him if he was aware of violations and he said no. Again, that is lying to the NCAA. I've said nothing about a face to face lie.I'm not sure where you got that.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Your words: "They asked him if he was aware of any violations and he said no.
  
  This is describing a conversation -- not a form that was filled out.
• krambman

  

  Writerbuckeye;854370 wrote:Tressel did NOT lie to the NCAA.

  
  Jim Tressel absolutely lied to the NCAA, and he did it three times.
  
  1. He found out about possible NCAA rules violations in April 2010 and he did not report them, even though he was contractually obligated to do so (this is a lie of omission).
  
  2. He signed a legal affidavit for the NCAA before last football season stating that he was not aware of any possible NCAA violations. Since he had known about violations for five months at that point, saying that he didn't was a lie.
  
  3. When the NCAA found out about the Tat 5 in December, Jim Tressel told the NCAA that he was unaware of the violations before that point. Since he did know about them and said that he didn't, that was a lie. In fact, that's the definition of a lie.
• jordo212000

  

  Writerbuckeye;854500 wrote:Your words: "They asked him if he was aware of any violations and he said no.
  
  This is describing a conversation -- not a form that was filled out.

  
  So this form prepared by the NCAA does not include any questions for Tress? I'm guessing it did. haha. If it had questions, it would be possible for Tress to answer them untruthfully, right? If the form was prepared by the NCAA, and Tress was not telling the truth on their form, that would be lying to the NCAA, no?
  
  I seriously can't believe we are having this conversation.
• Speedofsand

  

  Writerbuckeye;854500 wrote:Your words: "They asked him if he was aware of any violations and he said no.
  
  This is describing a conversation -- not a form that was filled out.

  
  If you can't handle the truth, spin it.
• dat dude

  Writerbuckeye;854370 wrote:Tressel did NOT lie to the NCAA.

  
  SMH. C'mon. That is ridiculous. Tressel absolutely lied to the NCAA. That is not debatable.
• Big Gain

  ESPN and other journalist have lied WAY more than Tressel. The difference is TODAY'S journalists can lie all they want and it doesn't break a rule/law and their editors don't care as long as it sells. It's very difficult to sue the press, the 1st Amendment protects them. One has to prove malice was intended by the lie, if malice can't be proven they can keep on lying.