The SI article about Tressel

• WebFire

  vball10set;789768 wrote:This is just a natural instinct, Webbie--it's always been that way--it's human nature!!!

  
  Truth.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  WebFire;789776 wrote:How was he protecting them? So they wouldn't get into trouble?

  
  /ruin their careers. Yes
• thedynasty1998

  

  Tressel had to of known that it would surface after the Feds seized the memorabilia. That's why I don't understand how Tressel was protecting his players. I think it wad protecting himself personally and for the shot at a NC.
• vball10set

  Spielman's take...
  
  http://the-ozone.net/football/2011/Tresselaffair/Spielman.htm

  The problem is not a USC problem or an Ohio State problem. Certainly those two universities did not do enough to monitor the actions of their players. The coaching staff cannot be with 105 players for 24 hours a day, seven days a week, but these tattoo hookups having been happening right under their noses for almost a decade.
  
  That may make the coaches just as culpable as the players, but there is little anyone can do to change things unless the players themselves start to change their mentality about being an amateur athlete in a multi-million dollar business.
  
  “So until we get guys to realize it's not about them, it's about the team,” Spielman said.

• WebFire

  Y-Town Steelhound;789785 wrote:/ruin their careers. Yes

  
  If that's the case, it doesn't make him any better for it.
• vball10set

  Part 2 of interview with Andy Geiger
  
  http://the-ozone.net/football/2011/Tresselaffair/geigerpiece_2.html
  

  What Ohio State has to be very, very careful about is making sure that the football program does not become its own athletic department within the athletic department," Geiger said.
  
  "It has to be operated and conducted and cared for and cared about and managed the same way you manage the lacrosse programs or any of the other 36 sports.
  
  "They all have to be centrally managed with the same reporting lines and all of those kinds of things. You just have to be very careful about that, and I know that they'll head in that direction."
  
  Andy Geiger is an astute man, a man who is accustomed to speaking in public. He chooses his words carefully, and I couldn't help but notice that in his statement just above he used the future tense when describing how he expects the OSU department of athletics to operate. That implies that it has strayed from that path, that somewhere along the line the football program has become separate or above what is expected from other OSU athletic programs. It is probably what Mark Titus noticed and wrote about to the consternation of some, but something that Geiger says is almost inevitable when you are talking about a program as important and influential as the OSU football program.

• Prescott

  Tressel had to of known that it would surface after the Feds seized the memorabilia. That's why I don't understand how Tressel was protecting his players. I think it wad protecting himself personally and for the shot at a NC.

  If Tressel knew it would surface he would have been totally candid with the information.
• LJ

  

  Prescott;789850 wrote:If Tressel knew it would surface he would have been totally candid with the information.

  
  That's the part that confuses me. He's being told that this stuff has been found during a federal investigation, how does he NOT know that it is going to come out?
• WebFire

  Prescott;789850 wrote:If Tressel knew it would surface he would have been totally candid with the information.

  
  Hindsight is 20/20.
• Bigdogg

  Pryor's lawyer says SI story is '90 percent wrong'
  
  http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2011/06/03/sports/nh4081950.txt?viewmode=fullstory
• vball10set

  Jon Thoma's take...
  
  http://the-ozone.net/football/2011/Tresselaffair/ThomaColumn.html

  He taught us that there was more to being an Ohio State football player than just football.
  
  We had a responsibility to present ourselves in a positive way, as we were representatives of so many things so much bigger than ourselves. Apparently, some of us could not handle that honor.
  
  To some of us, there were different priorities, and becoming a man under the watchful eye of millions around the world was too much. George Dohrmann from Sports Illustrated suggested that Jim Tressel lost control of his football team. Quite the contrary. The Ohio State Football culture took over Columbus. Coach was the only reason there WAS any control on this football team. Ask the troubled former receiver. Ask the star quarterback. Our mistakes occurred away from his watchful eye.
  
  Our mistakes had nothing to do with Jim Tressel.

• WebFire

  vball10set;789925 wrote:Jon Thoma's take...
  
  http://the-ozone.net/football/2011/Tresselaffair/ThomaColumn.html

  
  Doesn't that just implicate the compliance department? Take this bit from a mechanic in Michigan...
  

  As someone who once helped a football player fix his car, Michigan compliance was so far up my ass there was a blue lot in my lower colon and I almost got my own blue bus stop. The player bought the tie rods and I did the labor since I knew how and had the tools. He paid me for my time in beer and pizza. Compliance jumped all over this and figured out the hourly rate for a mechanic was greater than the cost of the beer and pizza, thus he still owed me money. I attempted to lowball my time estimate for doing the job, they talked to a real mechanic and got the official time estimate for tie rod replacement. They were also unimpressed by the fact I helped all my friends fix their cars in exchange for beer and pizza. So they basically stood over him while he wrote me a check for what they demanded the difference was. They also made him pay my uncle who let us use the lift in his garage.
  
  I tossed the check aside and figured "I might cash this if he gets drafted, maybe". Someone though noticed the money never came out of his account and started calling me about cashing the damn check. This was old school Carr era though.
  
  The next time I worked on his car I sarcastically sent them an invoice (six page writeup for helping him replace two brake pads) "for their records", they crosschecked all my time estimates and sent me back an approval letter and a genuine thank you for the paper...

  So is OSU compliance not doing it's job? BTW, after Michigan's sanctions 2 years ago, 5 of the 6 named individuals are gone, and it sounds like compliance is so compliant it may be to a fault.
• vball10set

  I think it's doing it's job, but it may have gotten complacent with the football program thinking Coach Tressel had a handle on things (an obviously wrong assumption). Let's face it, in a perfect world every compliance office would have all their T's crossed and I's dotted, but we all know this ain't a perfect world--as I said in an earlier post, I have to believe there are a lot of nervous coaches and AD's throughout the country right now, and for good reason.
• WebFire

  vball10set;789943 wrote: but it may have gotten complacent with the football program thinking Coach Tressel had a handle on things (an obviously wrong assumption).

  But that right there would be them not doing their job. It is not their job to be complacent and assume the OSU football coach is handling their job. No?
  

  Let's face it, in a perfect world every compliance office would have all their T's crossed and I's dotted, but we all know this ain't a perfect world--as I said in an earlier post, I have to believe there are a lot of nervous coaches and AD's throughout the country right now, and for good reason.

  No doubt about that.
• vball10set

  WebFire;789969 wrote:But that right there would be them not doing their job...No?.

  
  in essence, yes--and that worries me--a lot
• FatHobbit

  

  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_rosenberg/05/31/ohio.state/index.html?sct=cf_t12_a1
  
  Today SI has an article complaining about how the last several coaches at OSU have been forced out. So first they don't like Tressel because he cheats and now they complain because he was forced out? What a bunch of douche bags.
• LJ

  

  FatHobbit;790001 wrote:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_rosenberg/05/31/ohio.state/index.html?sct=cf_t12_a1
  
  Today SI has an article complaining about how the last several coaches at OSU have been forced out. So first they don't like Tressel because he cheats and now they complain because he was forced out? What a bunch of douche bags.

  
  Tired of Woody's temper???
  
  HE PUNCHED A FUCKING PLAYER ON THE FIELD!!!!!!!!
• Writerbuckeye

  

  That column is full of shit. I'm sorry I gave SI the web hit.
• FatHobbit

  

  LJ;790004 wrote:Tired of Woody's temper???
  
  HE PUNCHED A FUCKING PLAYER ON THE FIELD!!!!!!!!

  Writerbuckeye;790006 wrote:That column is full of shit. I'm sorry I gave SI the web hit.

  
  This was my email to them:
  
  So let me get this straight, OSU has had four coaches since 1951. One was fired for punching a player and another was fired for lying to the NCAA. You could make an argument for Earl Bruce and John Cooper but please name another school (outside of Penn State) that has had the same consistency with their coaching in the last 60 years! It seems to me that last week SI had an article complaining about how crooked Jim Tressel was and this week you are complaining because he was fired. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
• LJ

  

  4 coaches in 60 years... OMG GRAVEYARD OF COACHES!!!!
• karen lotz

  

  The new article was written by someone other than the first one right? Different people have different takes on situations.
• LJ

  

  karen lotz;790015 wrote:The new article was written by someone other than the first one right? Different people have different takes on situations.

  
  Yes, but c'mon. 4 coaches in 60 years. I'm pretty sure that Penn State is the ONLY D-1 school that can claim they have had less coaches in that time.
• karen lotz

  

  LJ;790016 wrote:Yes, but c'mon. 4 coaches in 60 years. I'm pretty sure that Penn State is the ONLY D-1 school that can claim they have had less coaches in that time.

  
  
  Yeah I understand that, but that doesn't make SI hypocritical.
• FatHobbit

  

  karen lotz;790020 wrote:Yeah I understand that, but that doesn't make SI hypocritical.

  
  SI published both articles though right? I'm assuming an editor had to approve them. I didn't call the writers hypocrites, but I think SI definitely is.
• FatHobbit

  

  FatHobbit;790028 wrote:SI published both articles though right? I'm assuming an editor had to approve them. I didn't call the writers hypocrites, but I think SI definitely is.

  
  Unless he was trying to argue that OSU shouldn't have fired Tressel.