First OSU team meeting

• vball10set

  Tom Luginbill on ESPNU last night said that if Pryor decides to declare for the NFL draft, and if he let's the scouts evaluate him as an athlete and not a QB, he has a chance of getting drafted from the 3rd round down...but if he sticks with his desire to be evaluated as a QB only, he stands little or no chance of being drafted at all.
• Wooball

  

  thedynasty1998;615497 wrote:Early to mid 2nd? When "athletes" are drafted that high it's because they can see them translating to a specific position. I really have no idea what position TP plays other than QB, and I just don't think he's good enough to play QB.

  
  Matt Jones was drafted in the 1st round by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Pat White was drafted in the 2nd round by the Miami Dolphins.
  
  I'm not saying I would draft TP that high, but if he goes to the combine and runs his reported 4.3 - 40 times with his size, someone will take a shot on him to either play QB or convert him to a WR.
• Hamp89

  vball10set;615513 wrote:Tom Luginbill on ESPNU last night said that if Pryor decides to declare for the NFL draft, and if he let's the scouts evaluate him as an athlete and not a QB, he has a chance of getting drafted from the 3rd round down...but if he sticks with his desire to be evaluated as a QB only, he stands little or no chance of being drafted at all.

  
  Kiper said the same thing. He felt TE is the best fit for Pryor to suceed at the next level.
• FatHobbit

  

  He did look like he had pretty good hands when TB was throwing him the ball.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Wooball;615518 wrote:Matt Jones was drafted in the 1st round by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Pat White was drafted in the 2nd round by the Miami Dolphins.
  
  I'm not saying I would draft TP that high, but if he goes to the combine and runs his reported 4.3 - 40 times with his size, someone will take a shot on him to either play QB or convert him to a WR.

  Poor, poor argument. Pat White was a fluid athlete, much like Dernard Robinson. Matt Jones was also much more fluid than Pryor and much more physical.
  
  People get hooked on Pryor's measurables and tend to not use the "eye test". Pryor is not that fluid in the hips, isn't that quick (for NFL WR standards), and doesn't run hard. He often falls awkwardly.
  
  You just can't compare him to Matt Jones and Pat White, because he's not the same athlete those two were.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Hamp89;615522 wrote:Kiper said the same thing. He felt TE is the best fit for Pryor to suceed at the next level.

  
  I don't think this will ever happen, but this might be the best case scenario for Pryor:
  
  He gets his stuff back from the NFL and it basically says, "You suck." Pryor gets a little bit of reality and realizes that maybe if he does want to play in the NFL he will have to be willing to adapt to a new position. So, he decides to return for his senior year, but during the off season and those 5 games he's suspended for, he works out as a TE. Not full time, but enough time to get an understanding of what it takes to play at that position. Then next time this year, he can go to to combine with an open mind and is better able to sell himself at another position.
• Wooball

  

  thedynasty1998;615550 wrote:Poor, poor argument. Pat White was a fluid athlete, much like Dernard Robinson. Matt Jones was also much more fluid than Pryor and much more physical.
  
  People get hooked on Pryor's measurables and tend to not use the "eye test". Pryor is not that fluid in the hips, isn't that quick (for NFL WR standards), and doesn't run hard. He often falls awkwardly.
  
  You just can't compare him to Matt Jones and Pat White, because he's not the same athlete those two were.

  
  from a Chris Mortensen article from 2005:
  
  "Based on watching Jones perform during Senior Bowl week, when he unabashedly exposed himself to playing receiver, scouts wondered about one or two things: Was he quick and explosive enough to play outside?
  
  He then goes on to say that given more time as a receiver he would show he quickness and explosiveness because his measurables at the combine translate to a quick, explosive athlete. Also, that his basketball skills mean he could be a good WR. TP was a top basketball recruit coming out of HS and many schools recruited him to play both. Now, Jones did have the advantage of playing in the senior bowl so scouts could get a look at him at a different position, but if TP is willing to make that change then I don't think Matt Jones is a poor, poor comparison.
  
  If he insists on being a QB, I agree, he would be lucky to get drafted this spring.
• Hamp89

  thedynasty1998;615557 wrote:I don't think this will ever happen, but this might be the best case scenario for Pryor:
  
  He gets his stuff back from the NFL and it basically says, "You suck." Pryor gets a little bit of reality and realizes that maybe if he does want to play in the NFL he will have to be willing to adapt to a new position. So, he decides to return for his senior year, but during the off season and those 5 games he's suspended for, he works out as a TE. Not full time, but enough time to get an understanding of what it takes to play at that position. Then next time this year, he can go to to combine with an open mind and is better able to sell himself at another position.

  
  IMO, he's probably going to have more of an open mind after all of this has gone down. All he has heard for the past week is how he hasn't lived up to the hype, not going to be an NFL qb, and has a poor attitude. This whole debacle may be the best thing that ever happed to Pryor's career. Time wil tell. He definitely needed a dose of reality.
• lhslep134

  

  thedynasty1998;615550 wrote:Poor, poor argument. Pat White was a fluid athlete, much like Dernard Robinson. Matt Jones was also much more fluid than Pryor and much more physical.
  
  People get hooked on Pryor's measurables and tend to not use the "eye test". Pryor is not that fluid in the hips, isn't that quick (for NFL WR standards), and doesn't run hard. He often falls awkwardly.
  
  You just can't compare him to Matt Jones and Pat White, because he's not the same athlete those two were.

  
  
  Wow dude I can't believe you just said poor poor argument because you got proven wrong. Fantastic comeback....
  
  Matt Jones is virtually a white man's Terrelle Pryor it's a fantastic comparison. Pat White is a different player, but for comparison purposes he also works. Both were project athletes taken in the first and 2nd round, proving you wrong.
  
  If I'm not mistaken, didn't Pryor run the fastest 40 on the team??
• thedynasty1998

  

  Here is a youtube clip from Matt Jones in his college days. Highlights are of him running and more so of him running away from people, but after watching it, you will see the difference from him running and Pryor:
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0i1NEz_8_U
  
  I would actually compare Matt Jones much more to Cam Newton or even a Steve Bellisari. Matt Jones is 6'6", but he doesn't look it when he runs. He runs with his body leaning forward, compared to Pryor who is much more upright.
• Red Saul

  

  He fits the "Athlete" title to a T.
  
  Somebody will give him a look through the draft based his ability by itself.
• thedynasty1998

  

  lhslep134;615617 wrote:Wow dude I can't believe you just said poor poor argument because you got proven wrong. Fantastic comeback....
  
  Matt Jones is virtually a white man's Terrelle Pryor it's a fantastic comparison. Pat White is a different player, but for comparison purposes he also works. Both were project athletes taken in the first and 2nd round, proving you wrong.
  
  If I'm not mistaken, didn't Pryor run the fastest 40 on the team??

  
  See my above post. When I watch Matt Jones run in college, the last guy I would compare him to is Terrelle Pryor. Pryor is much more like Vince Young.
  
  And I shouldn't have said that Matt Jones is a poor poor argument. I don't agree with it, but I guess it is relevant to this discussion. I just don't see them as being similar athletes. Similar size? Yes. But different athletes.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Red Saul;615619 wrote:He fits the "Athlete" title to a T.
  
  Somebody will give him a look through the draft based his ability by itself.

  
  He will surely get drafted, it's just up for debate in what round.
• dat dude

  Wooball;615594 wrote:from a Chris Mortensen article from 2005:
  
  "Based on watching Jones perform during Senior Bowl week, when he unabashedly exposed himself to playing receiver, scouts wondered about one or two things: Was he quick and explosive enough to play outside?
  
  He then goes on to say that given more time as a receiver he would show he quickness and explosiveness because his measurables at the combine translate to a quick, explosive athlete. Also, that his basketball skills mean he could be a good WR. TP was a top basketball recruit coming out of HS and many schools recruited him to play both. Now, Jones did have the advantage of playing in the senior bowl so scouts could get a look at him at a different position, but if TP is willing to make that change then I don't think Matt Jones is a poor, poor comparison.
  
  If he insists on being a QB, I agree, he would be lucky to get drafted this spring.

  
  You're right, it isn't a poor argument at all. Its a college QB who was drafted as an athlete - exactly what is being discussed here. The fluidity of Pryor is just a sub issue in the debate.
  
  Bottom line, if Pryor tells teams that he is open to playing any position, he will get drafted within the top few rounds. NFL GMs have proven time and time again that measureables matter. Somebody will take a chance on a 6'5" 235lbs athlete who runs a sub 4.4 time. No doubt about it. That kind of athleticism doesn't come by too often.
  
  And I get the concerns about Pryor's running style. However, I wonder how much of that is Pryor being taught to be mindful of protecting himself from injury by the coaching staff. They know the drop-off in talent should Pryor get injured.
• thedynasty1998

  

  dat dude;615624 wrote:You're right, it isn't a poor argument at all. Its a college QB who was drafted as an athlete - exactly what is being discussed here. The fluidity of Pryor is just a sub issue in the debate.
  
  Bottom line, if Pryor tells teams that he is open to playing any position, he will get drafted within the top few rounds. NFL GMs have proven time and time again that measureables matter. Somebody will take a chance on a 6'5" 235lbs athlete who runs a sub 4.4 time. No doubt about it. That kind of athleticism doesn't come by too often.
  
  And I get the concerns about Pryor's running style. However, I wonder how much of that is Pryor being taught to be mindful of protecting himself from injury by the coaching staff. They know the drop-off in talent should Pryor get injured.

  
  I guess where I'm different than others is that I question where he fits in. A guy like Pat White and Matt Jones could play multiple positions. Hell you could even put them on kick coverage teams because of their unique talents. I just don't see that with Pryor. Yes, he's fast. But he's straight line fast. He has to have fluidity in his hips to play WR in the NFL and I don't see that. You don't draft a guy in the 2nd round in hopes that he can just run deep every play and go up for jump balls.
• lhslep134

  

  thedynasty1998;615629 wrote: You don't draft a guy in the 2nd round in hopes that he can just run deep every play and go up for jump balls.

  
  You're right, you draft a guy in the 1st round to do it:
  
  See Williamson, Troy; and Heyward-Bey, Darius lol
• thedynasty1998

  

  lhslep134;615643 wrote:You're right, you draft a guy in the 1st round to do it:
  
  See Williamson, Troy; and Heyward-Bey, Darius lol

  
  Well....
  
  Those guys were WR's, but yes, point made.
• karen lotz

  

  Eddie George says he expects the suspended players to be held out at least a portion of the Sugar Bowl. Not sure if he has heard that or that is just what he feels should be done...
  
  http://twitter.com/#!/TomDienhart/status/19793816810688513
• LJ

  

  Pat White is a really bad comparison because he had one of the best showings throwing the ball at the combine that year. Had one of the strongest and most accurate arms there.
• jordo212000

  

  I lean towards what dynasty was saying. From everything I have seen, Pryor does appear to lack lateral agility/quickness. He is straight-line fast (mind you very straight-line fast).
  
  That isn't to say he won't get drafted in the 2nd to 3rd round range though. Somebody will probably take a waiver on him around that time, especially if his 40 time is 4.4 or below.
  
  I know I wouldn't take him that early though. You should never draft a project before the 4th round IMO. I do not see him playing QB. He lacks touch and the cognitive ability.
• j_crazy

  

  LJ;615686 wrote:Pat White is a really bad comparison because he had one of the best showings throwing the ball at the combine that year. Had one of the strongest and most accurate arms there.

  
  which is why he's now playing CF somewhere. White was a tremendous athlete and an awesome talent. his mind wasn't sharp enough to play QB in the NFL and his body was not conducive to take the punishment.
• Pick6

  

  posey says he is coming back for his senior season. pryor had no mention whether he is or not
• september63

  

  Ill give TP credit for showing up at the presser NOT wearing the big diamond studs in his ears!!
• thedynasty1998

  

  Pick6;615890 wrote:posey says he is coming back for his senior season. pryor had no mention whether he is or not

  
  Interesting. Isn't his family in the most desperate financial situation?
  
  In all seriousness, I thought he was the most pro ready of them all.
• Red Saul

  

  Posey was the only one who said he was coming back.
  
  Listening to 97.1 now, those guys really dont think he was serious and was just "saying the right things."
  
  I have to agree with them in that I dont know why you would come back and sit for half the season and damage your NFL status.