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  • Scarlet_Buckeye
    Red_Skin_Pride;612050 wrote:I understand how dumb it is, but the point is moot. You sign a CONTRACT, and you agree to the terms when you enter into a school governed by the NCAA. If you can't abide by the rules, then don't sign the contract. If you sign it, don't bitch about having to pay for the consequences when you break the rules that you originally agreed to.

    Bingo! Another A+ post. This guy gets it.
  • darbypitcher22
    ^^^^

    double poster
  • hoops23
    I'm not going to lie, I've said from the moment I saw Braxton Miller that I wanted him starting as a freshman. I was secretly hoping TP would leave..

    For somebody to claim to love OSU so much, TP sure does love giving the university a black eye with some of the shit he does.

    Good riddance.
  • jordo212000
    TP has been getting barbecued on twitter over the past day or so. Mysteriously his account has gone silent haha
  • darbypitcher22
    ^^^^

    doesn't suprise me
  • OQB
    Does anyone think Tressel will sit these guys for the Bowl game to send a message OR do you think beating an SEC team in a BCS game is more important to him?


    I would sit all of them and really make them think about their actions that they so called "didn't know the rules" bull crap you no exactly what the rules are...the NCAA is just too stupid to figure out how to uphold their rules with a consistency for all players and programs.

    I'm an Ohio State fan and wish they would be suspended for the bowl game, makes us look bad and I can't wait until Pryor is gone....He is a big disapointment imo, and is not as good as he thinks he is. I'm sure he has been worshiped ever since he put on an athletic uniform and been told you are so amazing...News flash you have to live by the rules too and will not do a thing in the NFL, fact!

    Bring on Braxton Miller.
  • Classyposter58
    Why would any Junior this year declare for the NFL? With a pending lockout is it really worth the risk of not doing anything for a year
  • 2kool4skool
    enigmaax;612310 wrote:You think there are some cupcakes now...try professionalizing college football and see how many decent games there are in a season.
    There was a study by a group of economist not long ago that concluded the exact opposite actually. But that's beside the point.
    There's where the big, evil empire that is the NCAA doesn't get enough credit. YOU don't care about Field Hockey, or maybe Diving, or any number of other sports. But when you can get past the money-hungry-monster characterization, THOUSANDS of athletes benefit tremendously from that money.
    Why should people benefit from skills that have no relevance to the university? Their skills don't bring in money, and they're not related to academics. People complain about rising tuition, but then want a bunch of sports that are a cash-drain on the university subsidized so that "everyone can feel equal."

    Make each sport reliant on funding its' self. We'll find out what sports are actually important to the university real quick.
    The problem with this "I bring money in" is the selfishness that is contrary to the mission of the NCAA. Why can't it be, "I represent my school, I help provide opportunities for all of these people"?
    If the NCAA's mission truly has nothing to do with money, how about we make it a true non-profit organization? Let's see how many of the same people who tell the athletes to be happy with their free education would be willing to do their jobs for the same level of compensation. After all, they could be compensated with the good feeling of "providing opportunities," right? And who can put a price tag on that?

    The NCAA is a money-making institution. And they've developed a system that is pure genius. I salute them for their hustle, but I still see it for what it is.

    The reason players aren't given cuts of the money has nothing to do with "a level playing field," just like the reason we don't have a playoff isn't because "it would interfere with academics." Come on guys.
  • 2kool4skool
    On an unrelated note, the clamoring for Braxton Miller is comical. On paper, he's a slightly worse version of Pryor, and likely won't start next year anyway. It'll be Bauserman or Guiton. TP is going to look awfully good after a few games of that.

    I wonder how long it will take OSU fans to start demanding Miller be switched to WR? 7.5 games seems like a reasonable number.
  • UncleYoder
    OrrvilleQB;612391 wrote:Does anyone think Tressel will sit these guys for the Bowl game to send a message OR do you think beating an SEC team in a BCS game is more important to him?
    .

    Tressel has $200,000 reasons not to sit these guys. Hard to stand on principal when they put that much money in front of you. Which makes the whole issue all the more ridiculous.
  • believer
    UncleYoder;612410 wrote:Tressel has $200,000 reasons not to sit these guys. Hard to stand on principal when they put that much money in front of you. Which makes the whole issue all the more ridiculous.
    True. It's always about the money...including the absurd hypocrites running the NCAA, the BC$, players like "It's-All-About-Me" Pryor, AND Tressel's bonu$ check$.

    Here's a Fox Sports writer's take on this situation: http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/NCAA-should-make-suspended-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-miss-Sugar-Bowl-122310
  • Gardens35
    UncleYoder;612410 wrote:Tressel has $200,000 reasons not to sit these guys. Hard to stand on principal when they put that much money in front of you. Which makes the whole issue all the more ridiculous.

    Saw a short portion of Tressel's reaction on the news last night. Seemed that he was putting much of the blame on himself and his staff. Made me wonder if he's laying the groundwork to justify playing these guys.
  • Scarlet_Fever
    Gardens35;612426 wrote:Saw a short portion of Tressel's reaction on the news last night. Seemed that he was putting much of the blame on himself and his staff. Made me wonder if he's laying the groundwork to justify playing these guys.
    The NCAA took care of that for him. I'm sorry but anyone on here who say's that they would sit an eligible player for principle when your job relys on that is just fooling himself. It's easy to sit back and say that when you career doesn't hinge on the outcome of the decision. I'd love to see Tressel sit them all too but it will not happen and it doesn't make Tressel a bad person for doing so.
  • Con_Alma
    Tressel's career does not hinge on one game and certainly does not hinge on this Sugar Bowl.
  • vball10set
    in the Dispatch this morning:

    It's too bad they didn't hold yesterday's Ohio State football news conference on the 50-yard line in Ohio Stadium, within sight of the more than 100,000 seats and 81 luxury suites, which generate income of more than $4 million per game.

    Or maybe in one of those private jets that are sometimes used for recruiting, or in the money-printing offices of the Big Ten Network, or in the Woody Hayes Athletic Center , where Ohio State football practices are conducted in a complex just a notch below the Palace of Versailles .

    Then again, maybe the announcement of the five-game suspensions given to five Ohio State football players for selling their Big Ten championship rings, football jerseys, gold pants, etc., for amounts ranging from $1,000 to $2,500 didn't require props.

    The hypocrisy of the system was as visible as the sight of the two men conducting the news conference: football coach Jim Tressel, who will make almost $3.9million this season, and athletic director Gene Smith, who is being paid $1million. If you think about this picture, it makes you laugh until you cry.

    Two guys making almost $5million between them because of college football were actually sitting there discussing the wrongdoing of an offensive lineman (Mike Adams) who sold his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,000? The gross unfairness of this creeps me out.

    The Buckeyes are about to reap a $6million payday for their team and their conference by playing Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl. It seems pretty clear they wouldn't be going to New Orleans without those five players - Adams, quarterback Terrelle Pryor, receiver DeVier Posey, running back Daniel Herron and defensive end Solomon Thomas. Yet those players are going to miss five games next year - if they come back - because they made deals that netted each of them between $1,000 and $2,500.

    Before we go on, let me be totally clear on this: The capitalistic five broke NCAA rules and deserve to be punished. Maybe they thought the items they sold were their personal property, as they apparently claimed in interviews with university and NCAA personnel, but it seems more likely they didn't care either way. They sold the items and took the money and should have at least suspected it might be wrong.

    The rest of us have no way of knowing if they did it because of financial hardship in their families, as Smith said, or if they simply needed to trade their iPhones in for a newer model. The former makes an attractive defense when the school appeals to the NCAA for shorter sentences, and invites sympathy from the fans, but it doesn't matter. Rules are rules. If they're not allowed to do that stuff at Florida or Oklahoma , they're not allowed to do it at Ohio State . End of story.

    But somebody, somewhere has to notice how ridiculous this all is, how just about everyone involved with college football is raking in gobs of cash except those who are the reason all that cash is available for the raking.

    Smith advocates paying athletes to some degree, so he's obviously aware of this. The fact that he and Tressel are making millions doesn't make them bad - most of us would do the same thing - but it does put them in the ticklish position of trying to pretend there's no hypocrisy.

    My favorite part of the news conference was listening to Tressel and Smith try to explain why the players will be suspended for the first five games next season and not for the bowl game.

    There was talk about how NCAA rules allow that, how having key players miss the game would punish the graduating seniors and how playing in this game isn't bigger than the real issue. But it was clear that no one - OSU officials, Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany or NCAA officials - wanted five key players to miss the Sugar Bowl no matter how heinous their crimes.

    It's important to protect the bowl relationship and retain access to all that delicious money.

    Bob Hunter is a sports columnist for the Dispatch.
  • WebFire
    I find it comical how much everyone has turned on TP and is now saying the same things a few others here were saying all along...and getting hammered for it.

    I've never been a TP fan, and it had nothing to do with being a Michigan fan and he being a Buckeye (ok, maybe a little to do with it). I just never thought he was as good as OSU fans wanted to believe. But more importantly, I thought he was very selfish and in it for himself.

    I have to admit this is a bit gratifying.
  • bogey
    I agree with Scarlet....Tress can't sit these guys, not when your A.D. is already going to bat for them, and not when you want to continue recruiting high school All-Americans who have been told since they could walk how great they are and had numerous exceptions to every rule made for them. I wish he could sit them, but really don't see how it would "help" him or the program in the long run....remember, it was just this year that Pryor's own teammates stopped referring to him as a douchebag and said that he had grown up and become a leader. It takes longer than a few months for a person to turn around a lifetime spent admiring oneself!
  • Con_Alma
    To me there's nothing more important in his article than this.
    vball10set;612432 wrote:...

    Before we go on, let me be totally clear on this: The capitalistic five broke NCAA rules and deserve to be punished. Maybe they thought the items they sold were their personal property, as they apparently claimed in interviews with university and NCAA personnel, but it seems more likely they didn't care either way. They sold the items and took the money and should have at least suspected it might be wrong.

    ...

    We all have rules in life that we don't agree with and simply think are ridiculous. The difference is the we follow them. These football players didn't.
  • vball10set
    you're entitled to your opinion, WebFire, but it still doesn't match the gratification we got from watching TP kick the shit out of the skunkbears the last three years..just sayin'
  • WebFire
    Con_Alma;612431 wrote:Tressel's career does not hinge on one game and certainly does not hinge on this Sugar Bowl.

    Agreed. I'm not sure where this notion came from.
  • WebFire
    vball10set;612437 wrote:you're entitled to your opinion, WebFire, but it still doesn't match the gratification we got from watching TP kick the shit out of the skunkbears the last three years..just sayin'

    Oh, absolutely! I would hope you would enjoy it. ;)
  • vball10set
    Con_Alma;612436 wrote:To me there's nothing more important in his article than this.



    We all have rules in life that we don't agree with and simply think are ridiculous. The difference is the we follow them. These football players didn't.
    I agree 100%, and I stated this same thought on another post...it doesn't matter what we think should or shouldn't be allowed, it was a rule, and it was broken--period.
  • vball10set
    WebFire;612440 wrote:Oh, absolutely! I would hope you would enjoy it. ;)

    Merry Christmas, my friend--have a great weekend!!!
  • bogey
    Another thing I find comical in this is all the rhetoric that these guys don't respect the tradition of OSU football....selling championship rings and gold pants. Well, in today's athletic scene where parents move kids from district to district as early as junior high in order to set their kids up for personal success and/or recognition, who the hell respects tradition anywhere???
  • Con_Alma
    bogey;612445 wrote:... Well, in today's athletic scene where parents move kids from district to district as early as junior high in order to set their kids up for personal success and/or recognition, who the hell respects tradition anywhere???
    The Service Academy athletes.