2010 All Big Ten teams announced
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clickclickboomWell thats why i said if he has a great year.. if he figures out how to throw a good ball any team will jump for him especially a team at the bottom like the first 10 picks are.
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jordo212000
wildcats20;585376 wrote:TP has said he wants to become a pro style QB. That WON'T happen at Michigan.
Tress is really trying to help him that's for sure. If he went to Oregon or Michigan, there is no way he would be as polished as he is now... and he admittedly still isn't a very polished passer. But at Oregon/Michigan they run very simple pass routes and the majority of the offense is based off a handful of plays.
With all that being said, Tress is helping Pryor, but he is hurting Ohio State. We would clearly be a much better offense if we let TP run wild and create with his feet. I'm not saying they would need to run the Michigan/Auburn offense; just that they should allow for more running. At times he looks like he is programmed not to run. Fact is TP isn't that great of passer, so we are really handicapping ourselves.
TP could improve this offense on his throwing ability, but to this point we have seen 1 step forward, 2 steps back. (Making a great throw, and then following that up with throwing off his back foot into double coverage) -
LJ
jordo212000;584975 wrote:I'm not going to bash TP because he is our MVP and by far is the best player, but I just keep waiting for him to take that next step. I'm not sure when we are going to see it. I mean, he's going to be a senior next season. Where has the progression been? I sort of blame Tress, they are trying to make him John Elway when he is clearly another Cam Newton. Man I wish Malzahn was calling our plays...
I mean, you do realize he had better Jr year stats than Troy Smith right. Troy Smith who prople say is one of the best QB's at OSU. Troy Smith who was in the program 4 years by his Jr. year. -
johngrizzlyThe only problem I have with TP running an Oregon/Mich offense is vulnerability. He'd get hurt easier then you got who? Joe Bauserman? See what I'm sayin?
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enigmaaxjordo212000;585486 wrote:Tress is really trying to help him that's for sure. If he went to Oregon or Michigan, there is no way he would be as polished as he is now... and he admittedly still isn't a very polished passer. But at Oregon/Michigan they run very simple pass routes and the majority of the offense is based off a handful of plays.
With all that being said, Tress is helping Pryor, but he is hurting Ohio State. We would clearly be a much better offense if we let TP run wild and create with his feet. I'm not saying they would need to run the Michigan/Auburn offense; just that they should allow for more running. At times he looks like he is programmed not to run. Fact is TP isn't that great of passer, so we are really handicapping ourselves.
TP could improve this offense on his throwing ability, but to this point we have seen 1 step forward, 2 steps back. (Making a great throw, and then following that up with throwing off his back foot into double coverage)
I don't know if it should be more running or what, but his play does certainly look contrived a lot of times. When he commits to the run, it looks so effortless. But a lot of times, he just kind of looks like he's overthinking whether to run or where to go or what to do. I don't know, he just doesn't always look comfortable making decisions, but there are flashes where you think he couldn't do wrong if he'd just go with it. I didn't say that very well, but it is really odd to watch and it'd be really interesting to just see him turned loose (kind of what happened in the Rose Bowl, right?). -
ytownfootball
In an effort to become more "NFL like" he bogs down. Whether by intent or not that's how it appears. When shit breaks down and he goes "sandlot" he shines the brightest.enigmaax;585715 wrote:I don't know if it should be more running or what, but his play does certainly look contrived a lot of times. When he commits to the run, it looks so effortless. But a lot of times, he just kind of looks like he's overthinking whether to run or where to go or what to do. I don't know, he just doesn't always look comfortable making decisions, but there are flashes where you think he couldn't do wrong if he'd just go with it. I didn't say that very well, but it is really odd to watch and it'd be really interesting to just see him turned loose (kind of what happened in the Rose Bowl, right?). -
jordo212000
enigmaax;585715 wrote:and it'd be really interesting to just see him turned loose (kind of what happened in the Rose Bowl, right?).
Exactly. That's what I've been saying all season. We play close to the vest all year, refuse to do things that would obviously help the team (run with Pryor), we end up losing a game we shouldn't, we recover, win the Big 10, and then Tress unleashes the guys in the bowl game. We play well get put in the top 5 for next year and the process restarts
@johngrizzly. Good point and I agree to some extent. I'm definitely not suggesting we lead him to the slaughter Rich Rod style. Just that it would be nice to see more designed runs to take advantage of his strengths. -
johngrizzly
I also agree with your points, but Tress has a system, and it works.jordo212000;585793 wrote:Exactly. That's what I've been saying all season. We play close to the vest all year, refuse to do things that would obviously help the team (run with Pryor), we end up losing a game we shouldn't, we recover, win the Big 10, and then Tress unleashes the guys in the bowl game. We play well get put in the top 5 for next year and the process restarts
@johngrizzly. Good point and I agree to some extent. I'm definitely not suggesting we lead him to the slaughter Rich Rod style. Just that it would be nice to see more designed runs to take advantage of his strengths. -
ytownfootball
jordo212000;585793 wrote:Exactly. That's what I've been saying all season. We play close to the vest all year, refuse to do things that would obviously help the team (run with Pryor), we end up losing a game we shouldn't, we recover, win the Big 10, and then Tress unleashes the guys in the bowl game. We play well get put in the top 5 for next year and the process restarts
@johngrizzly. Good point and I agree to some extent. I'm definitely not suggesting we lead him to the slaughter Rich Rod style. Just that it would be nice to see more designed runs to take advantage of his strengths.
You realize of course that he played the last four games last year with a knee injury as a result of running the ball though right? Does that mean you protect him with kid gloves? No. But, sitting at 11-1 and staring another BCS Bowl game in the face I find it a little critical to say they've taken "two steps back". It's, in fact, not true. -
jordo212000
ytownfootball;585828 wrote:You realize of course that he played the last four games last year with a knee injury as a result of running the ball though right? Does that mean you protect him with kid gloves? No. But, sitting at 11-1 and staring another BCS Bowl game in the face I find it a little critical to say they've taken "two steps back". It's, in fact, not true.
I wasn't talking about Ohio State taking the steps back, I was talking about TP. One minute he looks great and the next he throws a crazy pass into double coverage. Consistency isn't his strong point -
ytownfootball
jordo212000;585839 wrote:I wasn't talking about Ohio State taking the steps back, I was talking about TP. One minute he looks great and the next he throws a crazy pass into double coverage. Consistency isn't his strong point
Point is though Jordo, he's going to end up as the most prolific quarterback at The Ohio State University in over a hundred years in the business...Lol. I mean, don't lose the forest for the trees here.
He has his flaws, and I agree that consistency isn't his best attribute, but I also feel privileged to have watched him for 3 years as the best QB Ohio State has ever had. Oh, and he still has a senior season. -
WebFireytownfootball;585856 wrote:Point is though Jordo, he's going to end up as the most prolific quarterback at The Ohio State University in over a hundred years in the business...Lol. I mean, don't lose the forest for the trees here.
He has his flaws, and I agree that consistency isn't his best attribute, but I also feel privileged to have watched him for 3 years as the best QB Ohio State has ever had. Oh, and he still has a senior season.
Being a 4 year starter leads to good stats. Reminds me of Mike Hart at Michigan. Good back, but in my mind, far from the best ever at Michigan. But he started 4 years, and owns many Michigan rushing titles.
In fact, when he became Michigan's all-time leading rushing leader, I remember many a Buckeye fan using that same argument to tell me he wasn't that good. -
ytownfootball
Only flaw with that tho is he already owns a good share of them now as a three year guy.
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Thunder70
and TP is 3-0 against UM while Hart was 0-4 against OSU -
jordo212000
I hope you aren't misunderstanding what I was saying. I'm not saying that I hate him or that he sucks. I said he is the MVP and is by far the best player on the team. Although I will agree with Webfire, when you get handed the starting job as a freshman you are going to set some records... Theonly point I am trying to make is that I wonder how much more effective the team would be if they used his explosive talent all season and just not in the bowl gameytownfootball;585856 wrote:Point is though Jordo, he's going to end up as the most prolific quarterback at The Ohio State University in over a hundred years in the business...Lol. I mean, don't lose the forest for the trees here.
He has his flaws, and I agree that consistency isn't his best attribute, but I also feel privileged to have watched him for 3 years as the best QB Ohio State has ever had. Oh, and he still has a senior season. -
vball10set
thisThunder70;586239 wrote:and TP is 3-0 against UM while Hart was 0-4 against OSU -
Pick6
holy shit..are we actually having some kind of intelligent dicusssion? -
Writerbuckeye
My feeling about TP's effectiveness as a QB is this: I've noticed that when Ohio State goes to a hurry up offense (not necessarily 2 minute drill, but hurry up) Pryor seems to become a better passer.
Perhaps this is because he has less time to think about what he is going to do on the play that's called, and just goes out and plays.
If I were Tressel, I'd run that hurry up type of offense all the time, because it seems to settle Pryor down and make him better. He seems to get into the flow of a game quicker. I realize that goes against the whole time of possession thing (or at least minimizes it), but I do think Ohio State would score more points, so it probably wouldn't matter. -
ytownfootball
Pryor definitely seems to run the offense better on the fly. Not sure if it's because he doesn't have as much time to think about progressions or the defense isn't able to catch up with the pace but the results are generally better. When a play breaks down and he goes sandlot then things pick up better too. On the surface, you would surmise that he over thinks what he's doing, not sure if that's a fair assessment or not but it sure looks like it.Writerbuckeye;586317 wrote:My feeling about TP's effectiveness as a QB is this: I've noticed that when Ohio State goes to a hurry up offense (not necessarily 2 minute drill, but hurry up) Pryor seems to become a better passer.
Perhaps this is because he has less time to think about what he is going to do on the play that's called, and just goes out and plays.
If I were Tressel, I'd run that hurry up type of offense all the time, because it seems to settle Pryor down and make him better. He seems to get into the flow of a game quicker. I realize that goes against the whole time of possession thing (or at least minimizes it), but I do think Ohio State would score more points, so it probably wouldn't matter.
I get it. Though like I said he's got a lot of records sewn up as a three year guy. He came to OSU to become a better QB suited for the NFL over the teams that were also seeking his services. Tressel promised him that I have no doubt, so JT not asking him to go all Pat White/Denard is in keeping his word, which, honestly, I have no problem with. The results (record wise) are the same. Yeah, it could probably be better numbers and "flash" wise, just isn't a requirement.jordo212000;586294 wrote:I hope you aren't misunderstanding what I was saying. I'm not saying that I hate him or that he sucks. I said he is the MVP and is by far the best player on the team. Although I will agree with Webfire, when you get handed the starting job as a freshman you are going to set some records... Theonly point I am trying to make is that I wonder how much more effective the team would be if they used his explosive talent all season and just not in the bowl game -
WebFireThunder70;586239 wrote:and TP is 3-0 against UM while Hart was 0-4 against OSU
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WebFireytownfootball;586230 wrote:Only flaw with that tho is he already owns a good share of them now as a three year guy.
Dude, 3 year guys will break records too. Most QBs don't start 3, let alone 4 seasons. -
ytownfootball
WebFire;586721 wrote:Dude, 3 year guys will break records too. Most QBs don't start 3, let alone 4 seasons.
Lol..yeah and TP has most of them in three..what are you arguing? He's just about the best OSU has had at this point.
Am I ss sss stuttering? -
Hb31187
And when you start the majority of 1 season and every game in 2 more seasons and still have another year to go, you're bound to break records.ytownfootball;586746 wrote:Lol..yeah and TP has most of them in three..what are you arguing? He's just about the best OSU has had at this point.
Am I ss sss stuttering?
When was the last OSU QB to start 3, or 4 years? Is Webfire s s stuttering? -
ytownfootball
Hb31187;586775 wrote:And when you start the majority of 1 season and every game in 2 more seasons and still have another year to go, you're bound to break records.
When was the last OSU QB to start 3, or 4 years? Is Webfire s s stuttering?
What the fuck part of T. Pryor being the best OSU QB so far are you having trouble with? Are we going to dissect the number of offensive plays next? the number of quarters it took him to break those records? LolllLOL get. the. fuck. out.
Does him being the best OSU somehow get you butthurt? Or is it that he's 3-0 against you? I don't see your issue.
and for the record, I'm hardly a TP fan, I just know results when I see 'em
Not my work but it will do...
*Career
First
210.7 yards/game of total offense, 1st (26.3 yards/game more than Schlichter in 2nd at 184.4)
21 games with 200-plus yards of total offense, 1st (Smith 2nd at 19)
6 games with 300-plus yards of total offense, tied for 1st with Germaine
6 100-yard rushing games (first all-time among QBs, ahead of Greene’s 4)
*Second
8,005 yards of total offense, 2nd (only 845 yards behind Schlichter) - PROJECTED FIRST
72 TDs responsible for (55 passing, 17 rushing), 2nd (13 behind Schlichter at 85) - PROJECTED FIRST
*Third **
463 completions, 3rd (34 behind Schlichter and 35 behind Hoying) - PROJECTED FIRST
55 TD passes, 3rd (Hoying 57 and Germaine 56; Smith 54) - PROJECTED FIRST
61.1 completion percentage, 3rd (Todd Boeckman 63.4 and Troy Smith 62.7; Joe Germaine 59.2)
144.2 QB rating, 3rd (Smith 157.1 and Germaine 151.0; Hoying 142.6)
*Fourth
156.7 passing yards/game, 4th (Schlichter 157.2 in 3rd, Hoying 160.7 in 2nd and Germaine at 172.2 in 1st) – COULD PROJECT TO FIRST
*Fifth
5,956 passing yards, 5th (360 behind Greg Frey, 414 behind Joe Germaine, 1,276 behind Bobby Hoying and 1,591 behind Art Schlichter. Troy Smith is 6th) - PROJECTED FIRST
758 pass attempts, 5th (1 behind Steve Bellisari, 77 behind Frey, 100 behind Hoying and 193 behind Schlichter) – PROJECTED FIRST *
*Sixth
12 games with 200-plus yards passing, tied for 6th with Schlichter (just 1 behind 3rd, 2 out of second Bellisari and 4 out of first Hoying) – PROJECTED FIRST
26 INTs, tied for 6th (Schlichter 46, Frey 39, Tomczak 36, Hoying 35)
** Ranks 21st all-time on the OSU career rushing list with 2,049 yards on 421 carries (4.9 yards per carry). Cornelius Greene sits 20th all-time at 2,066, just 17 yards ahead of Pryor. Trails Raymont Harris by exactly 600 yards for 10th all-time. Trails Antonio Pittman by 896 yards for 9th all-time. Is averaging 683 rushing yards over his three years with one game remaining and has 17 rushing TDs
*30-4 record as a starter (88% winning percentage)
3 Big 10 titles
3 victories over Michigan
Third OSU QB to beat Michigan 3 times (Tippy Dye and Troy Smith)
Rose Bowl victory and 1-1 in bowl games
3 BCS Bowls
*Single-Season
First
65.8 completion percentage, 1st (Troy Smith 65.3 in 2006, Todd Boeckman 63.9 in 2007)
*Second
265.8 yards/game of total offense, 2nd (Germaine 270.6 in 1998; Smith 263.0 in 2005)
10 games with 200-plus yards of total offense, 2nd (Hoying 11 in 1995; Smith only 8 in both 2005 and 2006) – PROJECTED TIED FOR FIRST
*Third
3,190 yards of total offense, 3rd (only 57 yards behind Germaine in 2nd in 1998 and only 100 yards behind Hoying for 1st in 1995) – PROJECTED FIRST
29 TDs responsible for (25 passing, 4 rushing), 3rd (just 2 behind Smith in 2006 and Hoying in 1995) – COULD PROJECT FIRST
2,551 passing yards, tied for 3rd with Art Schlichter, 1981 (Joe Germaine 3,330 in 1998 and Bobby Hoying 3,269 in 1995)
25 passing TDs, tied for 3rd (Smith 30 in 2006 and Hoying 29 in 1995)
8 200-plus yard passing yard games, 3rd (behind only Hoying and Germaine - who reached 11 their senior years)
212.6 passing yards/game, tied for 3rd w/Schlichter (Germaine 277.5 in 1998 and Hoying 251.5 in 1995. Troy Smith 195.5 in 2006 and 207.5 in 2005)
3 games with 300-plus yards of total offense, tied for 3rd with 2009 Pryor (Germaine 5 in 1998 and Smith 4 in 2005)
*Fourth
196 completions, 4th (7 behind Smith in 2006, 15 behind Hoying in 1995 and 34 behind Germaine in 1998) – COULD PROJECT SECOND
157.98 QB rating, 4th (Hoying 163.4 in 1995, Smith 162.6 in 2005 and 161.9 in 2006)
*Eighth
298 attempts, 8th (1 behind Todd Boeckman in 2007. With a minimum of 20 pass attempts in the bowl game he will finish 4th in attempts) – SHOULD PROJECT FOURTH
*Single-game, 2010
16 consecutive completions (record was 12)
334 yards vs. Indiana, 8th on single-game passing list
24 completions vs. Indiana ranks tied for 10th
4 TD passes vs. Eastern Michigan, tied for 4th (record is 5)
346 total yards of offense vs. Miami, 9th all-time
5 TDs responsible for vs. Eastern Michigan, 2nd all-time (record 6) -
WebFireYou totally don't get it, or just don't care.