Week 6: (17) Michigan State def. (18) Michigan, 34-17

• dtdtim

  Hb31187;507602 wrote:So hold on..if michigan scores a lot of points it doesnt mean they have a legit defense...it just means MSU's defense is overrated?

  
  How/Why would Michigan's offensive performance mean their defense is legit? I'm not getting what you mean here.
• Hb31187

  

  Yeah, typo. I meant to say legit offense
• karen lotz

  

  dtdtim;507686 wrote:How/Why would Michigan's offensive performance mean their defense is legit? I'm not getting what you mean here.

  
  I think he meant to say "...they have a legit OFFENSE....it just means MSU's defense is overrated?"
• devil1197

  Tough call on this game.
  
  MSU has a pretty solid rushing game with a good defense.
  
  UM has an explosive offensive with a piss poor defense.
  
  Toss up imo.
• Tiernan

  Sparty spanks skunkweasels. Dantanio's Defense destroys Denard.
• bo shemmy3337

  Tiernan;507855 wrote:Sparty spanks skunkweasels. Dantanio's Defense destroys Denard.

  
  Yea no one is going to hold denard under 150 total yards in a game IMO and I have no clue why Dantanio is trying to make it to this game. he has been hospitalized 2 times now and needs to take a little break from football IMO.
• dlazz

  Big Gain;507420 wrote:MSU is a much better team than Indiana.

  
  Perhaps, but MSU doesn't rely on a passing attack...thus when running the ball they'll eat up plenty of clock.
• gerb131

  

  MSU usually starts on fire and then folds toward the end of the year. That being said I think they take down the Wolverines in close affair 37-34
• vball10set

  MSU- 38
  tsun- 35
• WebFire

  So all this talk about facing a real defense…
  
  UConn is 51st in total defense, and 44th in scoring defense.
  MSU is 41st in total defense, and 36th in scoring defense.
  
  Consider the incredible numbers that UM put up against UConn, and they may actually have a statistically better defense.
• dlazz

  WebFire;508076 wrote: Consider the incredible numbers that UM put up against UConn, and they may actually have a statistically better defense.

  
  They statistically gave up a ton of points and nearly lost to a perenially bad Indiana team. What's your point?
• Hb31187

  

  dlazz;508400 wrote:They statistically gave up a ton of points and nearly lost to a perenially bad Indiana team. What's your point?

  
  Point is, take away the Michigan game(since MSU hasnt played against them yet and Michigan put lotttts of numbers on the board against Uconn) from Uconn, and their defense is probably about on par with MSU's statistically. But everyone is saying this is the first time UM is gonna face a "real defense"
• stroups

  

  Hb31187;507602 wrote:So hold on..if michigan scores a lot of points it doesnt mean they have a legit defense...it just means MSU's defense is overrated?

  
  no.......I personally think that michigan already has an legit offence I'm just not sure exactly where they stand. But if MSU's defense gives up 49 POINTS then yes, I would consider them overrated (meaning I am rating them as good, not great, but good). So if the score someone posted earlier is Michigan 49 MSU 40, then Michigans offence would continue to impress but at the same time MSU's defense would be disappointing.
• WebFire

  ccrunner609;508544 wrote:PAAAAALEASE......Uconn has played UM, Temple, Buffalo, Vanderbilt and Texas Southern. Besides UM they havent played anyone with a winning record. To even think MSU and UCONN are a cloes comparison is idiotic.
  
  MSU is going to hurt UM.

  
  Oh, and I suppose MSU is awesome since they played Western Michigan, Florida Atlantic, Notre Dame and Northern Colorado. 2 way street dude.
  
  Not to mention you completely missed the point. MSU>UConn. But people are making it seem like MSU has a top 5 ranked defense.
• WebFire

  If Michigan wins 14-7, is Michigan good?
  
  If they win 49-42, are they good?
• FatHobbit

  

  WebFire;508966 wrote:If Michigan wins 14-7, is Michigan good?
  
  If they win 49-42, are they good?

  
  No
• dave

  I hope this Dantonio in the box thing causes some problems with their offense.
• dwccrew

  

  Hb31187;505768 wrote:Lol yeah i suppose. But when a team averages more passing and rushing yards than you do...hard to honestly believe that said team is 1 dimensional and you aren't

  
  Perhaps 1 dimensional was the wrong term, they are a 1 man show. Those rushing and passing yards are all produced by Denard. Take him away (which could happen with his dinged up knee) and Michigan is in trouble as they have no defense to stop the other team and give the offense some margin for error. This is where they differ from OSU IMO. Take Pryor away and OSU is sucking on offense, but the defense gives them room for error, thus not 1 dimensional (or not a 1 man show).
  

  WebFire;507163 wrote:Curious...if Michigan beats MSU say, 49-42, what will your opinion of this team be?

  I will then believe you can win with just offense.
  

  WebFire;508965 wrote:Oh, and I suppose MSU is awesome since they played Western Michigan, Florida Atlantic, Notre Dame and Northern Colorado. 2 way street dude.
  
  Not to mention you completely missed the point. MSU>UConn. But people are making it seem like MSU has a top 5 ranked defense.

  
  Don't forget that MSU also beat a previously unbeaten and #11 ranked Wisconsin. That has to count for something.
• WebFire

  dwccrew;509954 wrote: Don't forget that MSU also beat a previously unbeaten and #11 ranked Wisconsin. That has to count for something.

  I personally think Wisconsin is/was overrated. Seems every year they walk through their cupcake openers and get ranked, then fall. So if you take Wiconsin away from MSU's defense stats, and Michigan away from UConn's, MSU's defense isn't any better.
  
  My only point is that IMO, MSU will not stop Michigan. Michigan just needs the defense to produce UM -1 on the scoring chart. Seems that is the way this season will go for UM.
• karen lotz

  

  WebFire;510046 wrote:My only point is that IMO, MSU will not stop Michigan. Michigan just needs the defense to produce UM -1 on the scoring chart. Seems that is the way this season will go for UM.

  
  
  I agree with this. MSU is good defensively against the power running game, something that Michigan has shown it doesn't need to do well to be successful on offense. The only real chance that Sparty has to hold down Robinson and the spread is to go on long sustained drives eating up a lot of the clock. Michigan's defense isn't great, but it is better against the power run game than it is against other attacks.
• dlazz

  karen lotz;510054 wrote:Michigan's defense isn't great, but it is better against the power run game than it is against other attacks.

  
  wat
• karen lotz

  

  dlazz;510564 wrote:wat

  They have some degree of success against the run. The interior of their defense is the best part of the unit.
• Hb31187

  

  Just because you're good year in and year out doesnt mean you cant be good, yet overrated one year
• karen lotz

  

  Hb31187;511166 wrote:Just because you're good year in and year out doesnt mean you cant be good, yet overrated one year

  
  Don't try to reason with cc unless you are discussing dodgeball or cross country.
• Hb31187

  

  karen lotz;511224 wrote:Don't try to reason with cc unless you are discussing dodgeball or cross country.

  
  Lol, point taken