Rank Terrelle Pryor among OSU QBs

• enigmaax

  dat dude;491433 wrote:Todd Boeckman over Pryor?

  
  Yeah. At this point, Pryor hasn't done anything better. Except maybe run for more yards. Boeckman took them to a title game. Played crappy in that game, but Pryor played crappy in regular season games that prevented them from getting there.
• devil1197

  enigmaax;491444 wrote:Yeah. At this point, Pryor hasn't done anything better. Except maybe run for more yards. Boeckman took them to a title game. Played crappy in that game, but Pryor played crappy in regular season games that prevented them from getting there.

  
  Lolz Boeckman over Pryor.
• centralbucksfan

  Impossible to currently rank Pryor to other OSU QB's. He hasn't begun to even touch his potential nor do we really know weather he will even reach his full potential. Just over the halfway point of his career. If I had to, he wouldn't be in the top 5 right now. I would still rank guys like Green, Kern, Hoyng, Germaine, Smith, Schlichter, Krenzel and Tomzack over him currently. He has a ways to go.
• enigmaax

  ytownfootball;491434 wrote:Tomczak threw too many picks in critical situations to be ranked very highly on my list, but Pryor is climbing into that top te pretty quickly.
  
  I personally have a hard time ranking top to bottom because so much is influenced by their surrounding casts. But Pryor has weapons other than his arm that put him on a short list imo.

  
  Fair point about Tomczak. There were definitely some horrible, horrible plays that ... pretty much lost games. Maybe it is unfair to judge Pryor on the expectation that he make plays, which emphasizes his big game mistakes that much more.
  
  To me, Pryor is still that guy who everybody thinks should be great, but he just isn't right now. He is still skating by on raw ability with a great team around him. He has had his moments and has a solid resume. But he's nothing special yet.
• dat dude

  enigmaax;491444 wrote:Except maybe run for more yards.

  
  Maybe run for more yards? LOL. Don't rushing stats account for something? Boeckman had 71 career rushing yards. Pryor rushed for 113 yards against Miami in week 2.
  

  enigmaax;491444 wrote:Boeckman took them to a title game.

  
  
  That's a simplistic way of looking at things. He was very fortunate that OSU played a cake schedule and back-doored their way to the NC game. His stats for the final 3 games of the year were terrible.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  devil1197;491445 wrote:Lolz Boeckman over Pryor.

  
  Agreed, Boeckman threw a pretty, spiral deep ball and that was it. Guy was a statue in the pocket, no pocket presence at all, no mobility at all, and was just a bit short of horrible in the last 3 games of the '07 season against Illinois, Michigan and LSU. Stunk again early again against Ohio U. and USC early the next year and that was it for him. People at the old JJHuddle kept saying he got a raw deal....apparently 32 NFL teams gave him a raw deal as well considering he never sniffed an NFL roster.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "His stats for the final 3 games of the year were terrible. "
  
  You beat me by a few minutes. Boeckman was embarassing at the end of '07/beginning of '08 and lost his confidence.
• enigmaax

  devil1197;491445 wrote:Lolz Boeckman over Pryor.

  
  Well, when you break down the numbers Boeckman averaged slightly more yards per attempt (very similar) and TDs per attempt and had a significantly better completion % and took significantly less sacks per pass attempt.
  
  Pryor is slightly better in TD-INT ratio (very similar) and INTs per attempt.
  
  In Boeckman's one full season as a starter, his numbers were pretty much better across the board and his team played for a national title. His passer rating was 20 points better than Pryor's one full season as a starter and Pryor dropped a game at home, as well as losing to a sub-.500 team. Telling you, Pryor's hype is completely based on potential and what you think he is going to do rather than what he has done as an individual. He is nothing special.......yet.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Good lord, look at Boeckman's stat line in the last 3 games of '07 and the first 3 games in '08 (excepting YSU), the guy just couldn't get it done, especially against USC when it was obvious he wasn't a title contending QB. OSU's '07 schedule was the easiest they've had this decade, they won DESPITE Boeckman not because of him. He just wasn't a great QB, in any sense. Again, no NFL team touched him.
  
  Only St. Henry homers would even think about comparing the two.
• enigmaax

  Okay, so Boeckman had a couple bad games. What do you call:
  
  11-25-177-0-1 (44%), 15 points as a team (TD after a TO inside the opponents 20), at home against a team that wound up 7-6 and gave up 50+ a few times LOSS
  
  17-31-221-1-2, 18 points as a team, against a defense that only gave up less than 20 points one other time (don't forget the 21 carries for 34 yards)
  
  16-25-226-0-1, 6 points as a team (9 carries for 6 yards)
  
  
  
  
  Those are 3 pretty bad games that kept his team from playing for a national title in two different seasons.
• enigmaax

  Manhattan Buckeye;491513 wrote:Good lord, look at Boeckman's stat line in the last 3 games of '07 and the first 3 games in '08 (excepting YSU), the guy just couldn't get it done, especially against USC when it was obvious he wasn't a title contending QB. OSU's '07 schedule was the easiest they've had this decade, they won DESPITE Boeckman not because of him. He just wasn't a great QB, in any sense. Again, no NFL team touched him.
  
  Only St. Henry homers would even think about comparing the two.

  
  Never said he was great. Said he was better than Pryor at this point. There is nothing that Pryor has accomplished so far that makes him any better.
  
  And I live on pretty much the opposite side of the state as St. Henry, so that isn't it.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Boeckman didn't just have a couple of bad games, he strung together a litany of bad games that caused the team and coaches to lose confidence in him, rightfully so. He wasn't a great QB. Continuing talking about him as if he was doesn't make it correct.
  
  "There is nothing that Pryor has accomplished so far that makes him any better."
  
  Besides winning a BCS bowl game?????????
• dat dude

  enigmaax;491521 wrote:There is nothing that Pryor has accomplished so far that makes him any better.

  
  Really? Pryor had 338 yards of total offense and 2 TDs in a Rose Bowl win.
• captvern

  Didnt Pryor start over Boeckman in his senior year?
• wildcats20

  

  captvern;491532 wrote:Didnt Pryor start over Boeckman in his senior year?

  
  Yes after Boeckman led us to that PHENOMENAL performance out in So Cal.
• enigmaax

  wildcats20;491543 wrote:Yes after Boeckman led us to that PHENOMENAL performance out in So Cal.

  Oh...THAT USC team. The one that held 8 opponents to a TD or less, 2 other teams to a TD and a FG, and lost one game? Or the one who beat Pryor's team at home when a sucky freshman QB led a winning drive *in a hostile environment* and whose defense gave up 55 to a freshman QB at home and whose team lost to that wunderkin program known as Washington the very next week? Bad........BAD point.
  

  dat dude;491530 wrote:Really? Pryor had 338 yards of total offense and 2 TDs in a Rose Bowl win.

  And Boeckman had a bad game in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP that Pryor didn't take them to on account of losing the aforementioned home game as well as a game to Purdue, who incidentally lost to MAC powerhouse Northern Illinois at home (with NI putting up more points than the OSU offense, of course).
  

  Manhattan Buckeye;491524 wrote:Boeckman didn't just have a couple of bad games, he strung together a litany of bad games that caused the team and coaches to lose confidence in him, rightfully so. He wasn't a great QB. Continuing talking about him as if he was doesn't make it correct.
  
  "There is nothing that Pryor has accomplished so far that makes him any better."
  
  Besides winning a BCS bowl game?????????

  So you'd rather win the Rose Bowl than play for a national title? That's your problem. Again, NEVER SAID HE WAS GREAT. Just said Pryor isn't either.
• ytownfootball

  

  I agree that it seems a little unfair to be judging Pryor's rank at this point in the game, though for slightly different reasons. People seem to forget the guy was hobbled by injury the last four games of the season last year. He had enough time from the UM game to the Rose Bowl to heal up enough to play well and he did, but he didn't heal enough to avoid going under the knife during the off season. The last four games last year he was forced to do what he had not ever done before, sharpen his skills that didn't include his athleticism. In the long run, it may pan out to be what gets him over the hump, we'll see, but to judge him based on the Purdue game as well as the other four games following injury is unfair in my book. Granted, he'll be judged nonetheless, but keep in mind that was a huge blow to him, and challenged him significantly.
  
  It's early so I'll be patient, but the results thus far ain't shabby.
• dat dude

  enigmaax;491591 wrote:So you'd rather win the Rose Bowl than play for a national title? That's your problem. Again, NEVER SAID HE WAS GREAT. Just said Pryor isn't either.

  
  No, you said, "There is nothing that Pryor has accomplished so far that makes him any better." Winning a Rose Bowl game has to account for something.
  
  Also, you are misguided if you think Boeckman "led" OSU to the NC game. You obviously aren't a follower of OSU football.
• karen lotz

  

  ytownfootball;491639 wrote:The last four games last year he was forced to do what he had not ever done before, sharpen his skills that didn't include his athleticism. In the long run, it may pan out to be what gets him over the hump...

  
  So you say he has sharpened those skills??? He had all that time in the off season in addition to those 4 games and he still struggles with short throws and outs.
• dat dude

  enigmaax;491591 wrote:And Boeckman had a bad game in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP that Pryor didn't take them to on account of losing the aforementioned home game as well as a game to Purdue, who incidentally lost to MAC powerhouse Northern Illinois at home (with NI putting up more points than the OSU offense, of course).

  
  And Boeckman was 13-23 with 3 picks against an Illinois team who lost to a 6-6 Iowa team who lost to a 5-7 Western Michigan team, etc, etc, etc. Works both ways.
• Tiger2003

  

  karen lotz;491653 wrote:So you say he has sharpened those skills??? He had all that time in the off season in addition to those 4 games and he still struggles with short throws and outs.

  
  Looks pretty good to me on the out routes....its more of the slants and short little drag routes that he has the problem with.....
• enigmaax

  dat dude;491649 wrote:No, you said, "There is nothing that Pryor has accomplished so far that makes him any better." Winning a Rose Bowl game has to account for something.
  
  Also, you are misguided if you think Boeckman "led" OSU to the NC game. You obviously aren't a follower of OSU football.

  
  Winning a Rose Bowl is better than playing for a National Title? Hmmm. I'd be interested in who agrees with that.
  
  Yeah, it is kinda weird that the QB gets as much credit as he does. But, that's the way it is. Quarterback is a leadership position. Three OSU QBs have played for national titles this decade. One of them isn't Terrelle Pryor. That could change, but it is really kind of silly now to crucify a QB who DID take you there with no hype over the honor or whatever bullshit reason you have for trying to convince anyone that Pryor has accomplished anything worthy of being above several guys up to this point.
• ytownfootball

  

  Not completely lotz, he reads defenses better, seems quite a bit more poised to me, I'm speaking more to the heady portions of the game, short passes is more part of athleticism to me.
• dat dude

  enigmaax;491662 wrote:Winning a Rose Bowl is better than playing for a National Title? Hmmm. I'd be interested in who agrees with that.
  
  Yeah, it is kinda weird that the QB gets as much credit as he does. But, that's the way it is. Quarterback is a leadership position. Three OSU QBs have played for national titles this decade. One of them isn't Terrelle Pryor. That could change, but it is really kind of silly now to crucify a QB who DID take you there with no hype over the honor or whatever bullshit reason you have for trying to convince anyone that Pryor has accomplished anything worthy of being above several guys up to this point.

  
  Several guys? All I have commented on is regarding the ranking of Boeckman, which is terrible. There is a reason Tressel started Pryor over Boeckman in TP's freshman year. And it takes a lot for Tressel to bench an upperclassman. A lot.
• ytownfootball

  

  dat dude;491676 wrote: it takes a lot for Tressel to bench an upperclassman. A lot.

  Especially when you essentially throw out half the play book with him.