Pryor "I want to leave a legacy (at OSU) That's why I'm staying four years"

• lhslep134

  

  thedynasty1998;447272 wrote: I see a few games where Pryor only throws the ball 10 times or so.

  Then you really don't know anything about Tressel.
  
  It took the Rose Bowl (and a knee injury) for Tressel to trust Pryor. Once Pryor earned his trust, the playbook opened up and Pryor deservingly threw the ball a lot.
  
  That's not going to change this year. Pryor has matured, something that's extremely obvious, and I think you're going to see the playbook remain open.
  
  The only time Pryor will not throw more than 10 times is if weather will not permit him too.
• lhslep134

  

  devil1197;447283 wrote:Juice Williams is by far the worst example you could have given.
  
  His play declined over his 4 years at Illinois to the point that he was removed several times as the QB. No shit he didn't amount to anything after college, he was shit in college after the Rose Bowl season.

  
  +1
• devil1197

  thedynasty1998;447272 wrote: With that said, I do expect big things from Pryor, but I also expect Tressel to protect him this year with running the ball and playing defense. I see a few games where Pryor only throws the ball 10 times or so.

  
  You thought that Tressel didn't trust Pryor last year but yet he never 10 times or less in a game in last year. Lowest totals were 13 against Illinois which was a sloppy mess and Wisconsin in which our defense/ST kept scoring TD's.
  
  So what makes you think, after his mature performances in the last half of the season, that Pryor will only be allowed to throw around 10 or so times a game.
• enigmaax

  lhslep134;447276 wrote:Okay and we're talking about the NFL here where if one thing works well for a team other teams are going to try and mimic it. Look at the Wildcat. Point proven.
  
  Obviously the option isn't going to spread quickly because there's no other QBs to run it, besides Vick. You gonna run the option with Peyton Manning? Hell no, so therefore your rebuttal is irrelevant and doesn't disprove my point that Pryor will be a hot commodity to someone.
  
  I'd also like to add that Pat White was drafted in the 2nd round for the sole reason of trying him out in Wildcat because he can throw. So yes, teams do draft commodities high because they're rare. If a team thinks they can run the option successfully with Pryor, which IMO with a lot of improvement throwing the ball he can, then he will certainly be a high pick.

  
  You still need other teams to be willing to spend a high pick on a gimmick. Miami had already started their little wildcat (or whatever) set with a running back. That pick made sense. Right now, teams just aren't doing it on a large enough scale to warrant a high pick, for the most part. And I just don't think the Titans success is going to hinge exclusively on that aspect to the point of changing the game. Pryor is either going to be able to throw or not. And THAT is going to be the determining factor in whether he is ultimately successful.
• enigmaax

  lhslep134;447280 wrote:But people DIDN'T say those things about those quarterbacks. You hear Juice Williams compared to Vince Young? No. But do you hear Pryor compared to Vince Young? All the time. Even by Mack Brown.
  
  Once again, your point is irrelevant because we're talking about Pryor and Young here, not Young and any other quarterback, because TP is the one most comparable to Vince Young.

  Right, you are comparing Pryor to Young because: 1) they are big, 2) they are black, 3) they could both run, and 4) at a certain point neither could pass well. And you act as though it is a foregone conclusion that because one big black guy who could run and couldn't throw ended up becoming a good passer that Terrelle Pryor will automatically do the same. I'm telling you that there have been plenty of big black guys who could run and not throw well who DID NOT develop, so if we're making comparisons I could just as easily say TP will be a miserable failure. Wanna compare lists?
  

  devil1197;447283 wrote:Juice Williams is by far the worst example you could have given.
  
  His play declined over his 4 years at Illinois to the point that he was removed several times as the QB. No shit he didn't amount to anything after college, he was shit in college after the Rose Bowl season.

  
  Exactly. And he was a black quarterback who could run and not pass. Just like Pryor. So, why will Pryor not tank just like Juice? Would you like the list of other quarterbacks who fit the same stereotype...the stereotype that you guys created based on your one example of success?
• krambman

  

  lhslep134;447284 wrote:Then you really don't know anything about Tressel.
  
  It took the Rose Bowl (and a knee injury) for Tressel to trust Pryor. Once Pryor earned his trust, the playbook opened up and Pryor deservingly threw the ball a lot.
  
  That's not going to change this year. Pryor has matured, something that's extremely obvious, and I think you're going to see the playbook remain open.
  
  The only time Pryor will not throw more than 10 times is if weather will not permit him too.

  
  I also think that a lot of it has to do with how well the running backs do this year. Just like last year, if Pryor is our leading rusher again, then we're in trouble. We tried to be a passing team last year because our running backs weren't cutting it. After the Purdue game it became painfully obvious that we couldn't rely on Pryor's arm, and that the running backs were beginning to step up, so we became a run dominated team.
• lhslep134

  

  enigmaax;447309 wrote:Right, you are comparing Pryor to Young because: 1) they are big, 2) they are black, 3) they could both run, and 4) at a certain point neither could pass well. And you act as though it is a foregone conclusion that because one big black guy who could run and couldn't throw ended up becoming a good passer that Terrelle Pryor will automatically do the same. I'm telling you that there have been plenty of big black guys who could run and not throw well who DID NOT develop, so if we're making comparisons I could just as easily say TP will be a miserable failure. Wanna compare lists?
  
  
  
  Exactly. And he was a black quarterback who could run and not pass. Just like Pryor. So, why will Pryor not tank just like Juice? Would you like the list of other quarterbacks who fit the same stereotype...the stereotype that you guys created based on your one example of success?

  
  Wow enigmaax I used to think you weren't ignorant but now I see you're the most ignorant one on here.
  
  
  We're comparing them because there is A COMPARISON TO BE MADE.
  
  Mack fucking Brown compared the two. So why did I? Because the freaking COACH of one of them made the comparison.
  
  For you to think I only compared them because they're both big and black and can run is laughable and incredibly stupid at best.
  
  I compared them because they were both top 5 QB's coming out of high school and both have extremely similar SIZE and SKILL sets.
  
  Is that enough?!
• devil1197

  krambman;447311 wrote:I also think that a lot of it has to do with how well the running backs do this year. Just like last year, if Pryor is our leading rusher again, then we're in trouble. We tried to be a passing team last year because our running backs weren't cutting it. After the Purdue game it became painfully obvious that we couldn't rely on Pryor's arm, and that the running backs were beginning to step up, so we became a run dominated team.

  
  No, our offensive line just got healthy at the tail end of the season and they finally showed how good they could be. There was a reason we continually ran for 200 plus a game once we finally got our OL unit into place.
  
  The healthy OL not only created running lanes but also gave Pryor more time in the pocket.
• lhslep134

  

  enigmaax;447301 wrote:You still need other teams to be willing to spend a high pick on a gimmick. Miami had already started their little wildcat (or whatever) set with a running back. That pick made sense. Right now, teams just aren't doing it on a large enough scale to warrant a high pick, for the most part. And I just don't think the Titans success is going to hinge exclusively on that aspect to the point of changing the game. Pryor is either going to be able to throw or not. And THAT is going to be the determining factor in whether he is ultimately successful.

  
  You're failing to see the fundamental point in my argument in that the reason the Titans are so successful at the option is because they have the right quarterback to run it, and there's an extreme premium on those that can, and IMO Pryor falls into that category. Young STILL isn't a good passing QB, and I don't think Pryor will ever become an NFL type passer but he can be a highly valued NFL QB because of his ability to run a unique offense that is tough to stop.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  devil1197;447295 wrote:You thought that Tressel didn't trust Pryor last year but yet he never 10 times or less in a game in last year. Lowest totals were 13 against Illinois which was a sloppy mess and Wisconsin in which our defense/ST kept scoring TD's.
  
  So what makes you think, after his mature performances in the last half of the season, that Pryor will only be allowed to throw around 10 or so times a game.

  
  Just another example of him talking out of his ass again on a topic he knows nothing about.
• lhslep134

  

  Commander of Awesome;447322 wrote:Just another example of him talking out of his ass again on a topic he knows nothing about.

  
  I completely agree with Devil, and a certain sportswriter from the dispatch also agrees that Pryor will have almost full reins of the offense this year, so how is he talking out of his ass if he's not the only one who thinks so?
• enigmaax

  lhslep134;447313 wrote:Wow enigmaax I used to think you weren't ignorant but now I see you're the most ignorant one on here.
  
  
  We're comparing them because there is A COMPARISON TO BE MADE.
  
  Mack fucking Brown compared the two. So why did I? Because the freaking COACH of one of them made the comparison.
  
  For you to think I only compared them because they're both big and black and can run is laughable and incredibly stupid at best.
  
  I compared them because they were both top 5 QB's coming out of high school and both have extremely similar SIZE and SKILL sets.
  
  Is that enough?!

  
  Ha ha..okay, we agreed on size. What is the skill set that they share - can run and can't throw? Said that. And top 5 QB coming out of high school - SI.com had Juice Williams at #5. And here are a few things said about him between his sophomore and junior seasons:
  
  "Heading into this season, Williams is no longer seen as the raw underclassman running a Big Ten offense ahead of schedule, but a seasoned, dual-threat quarterback leading a team determined to prove it's no one-year wonder. A finished product he's not, but Williams is accelerating his learning curve."
  
  "Any doubt about Williams' ability to understand disappeared after he decoded one of the nation's top defenses and helped Illinois reach the Rose Bowl. Coverages were no longer a mystery to him. Neither was leadership."
  
  So, bad comparison?
• thedynasty1998

  

  Commander of Awesome;447322 wrote:Just another example of him talking out of his ass again on a topic he knows nothing about.

  
  SQ proving to be a stalker once again.
• enigmaax

  lhslep134;447316 wrote:You're failing to see the fundamental point in my argument in that the reason the Titans are so successful at the option is because they have the right quarterback to run it, and there's an extreme premium on those that can, and IMO Pryor falls into that category. Young STILL isn't a good passing QB, and I don't think Pryor will ever become an NFL type passer but he can be a highly valued NFL QB because of his ability to run a unique offense that is tough to stop.

  
  I do understand it. But they already had that quarterback and adapted to his skills. They didn't draft him for those skills, they drafted him largely based on the enormous strides in passing that he made before/during his last college season (that didn't end up translating at the pro level). That is all I'm saying, Pryor isn't going to be drafted based on his ability to run and at this point, no team is going to look at him and try to make him their centerpiece (let alone, change their entire offense just so they can draft and utilize him).
• thedynasty1998

  

  devil1197;447295 wrote:You thought that Tressel didn't trust Pryor last year but yet he never 10 times or less in a game in last year. Lowest totals were 13 against Illinois which was a sloppy mess and Wisconsin in which our defense/ST kept scoring TD's.
  
  So what makes you think, after his mature performances in the last half of the season, that Pryor will only be allowed to throw around 10 or so times a game.

  
  You very well could be right. But then again, I see a lot of games where Pryor isn't needed to throw. Tressel would prefer to run the ball, play great special teams and great defense. The OSU defense is loaded, there is no reason to think special teams won't be productive once again and they should have an improved running game.
  
  If all those things happen, OSU should have a lead going into most 2nd halves and everyone knows how Tressel gets conservative with a lead.
  
  And Pryor had Tressel's confidence in the Purdue game, but he lost it. He averaged about 22 passes per game last year, so I could see a couple games where he only throws 10-12. And I never said this would be the norm, but I could see it.
  
  I'm not bashing Pryor at all, I just think this team is setup perfectly to play "Tressel Ball".
• thedynasty1998

  

  lhslep134;447327 wrote:I completely agree with Devil, and a certain sportswriter from the dispatch also agrees that Pryor will have almost full reins of the offense this year, so how is he talking out of his ass if he's not the only one who thinks so?

  
  He was talking about my comment when I said I could see a couple games where he only throws 10 times or so. I do think he has free reign, but I also think he buys into "Tressel Ball" and has no problem handing the ball off, running for 5 yards or making the safe calls at the line.
• lhslep134

  

  enigmaax;447332 wrote:Ha ha..okay, we agreed on size. What is the skill set that they share - can run and can't throw? Said that. And top 5 QB coming out of high school - SI.com had Juice Williams at #5. And here are a few things said about him between his sophomore and junior seasons:
  
  "Heading into this season, Williams is no longer seen as the raw underclassman running a Big Ten offense ahead of schedule, but a seasoned, dual-threat quarterback leading a team determined to prove it's no one-year wonder. A finished product he's not, but Williams is accelerating his learning curve."
  
  "Any doubt about Williams' ability to understand disappeared after he decoded one of the nation's top defenses and helped Illinois reach the Rose Bowl. Coverages were no longer a mystery to him. Neither was leadership."
  
  So, bad comparison?

  
  Show me Williams stats from Soph to Junior to Senior year and you'll see a HUGE digression.
  
  Re-read my posts and you'll see that I talked about Pryor HAVING THE POTENTIAL to make the jump. Juice did too, and guess what, he failed, so be it.
  
  It comes down to this: I think Pryor will make an improvement this year without digressing. Any other QB you could possibly come up with VY comparisons showed a digression.
  
  
  In fact, since you think there's so many out there, show me more comparisons to VY, because in fact your quote had NOTHING to do with VY.
• devil1197

  thedynasty1998;447342 wrote:You very well could be right. But then again, I see a lot of games where Pryor isn't needed to throw. Tressel would prefer to run the ball, play great special teams and great defense. The OSU defense is loaded, there is no reason to think special teams won't be productive once again and they should have an improved running game.
  
  If all those things happen, OSU should have a lead going into most 2nd halves and everyone knows how Tressel gets conservative with a lead.
  
  And Pryor had Tressel's confidence in the Purdue game, but he lost it. He averaged about 22 passes per game last year, so I could see a couple games where he only throws 10-12. And I never said this would be the norm, but I could see it.
  
  I'm not bashing Pryor at all, I just think this team is setup perfectly to play "Tressel Ball".

  
  OSU is set up to play any type of football, their loaded at every single position on offense.
• devil1197

  Tressel also thinks Pryor will throw more this season.
  
  http://origin.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/23626222
• enigmaax

  lhslep134;447345 wrote:Show me Williams stats from Soph to Junior to Senior year and you'll see a HUGE digression.
  
  Re-read my posts and you'll see that I talked about Pryor HAVING THE POTENTIAL to make the jump. Juice did too, and guess what, he failed, so be it.
  
  It comes down to this: I think Pryor will make an improvement this year without digressing. Any other QB you could possibly come up with VY comparisons showed a digression.
  
  
  In fact, since you think there's so many out there, show me more comparisons to VY, because in fact your quote had NOTHING to do with VY.

  
  It doesn't matter who has been compared to Vince Young. The reasons you gave to compare the two can be the same reasons to compare anyone else. There are a few common characteristics.
  
  One person commented on Pryor's lack of proven on-field success/skills or whatever you want to call it. That person essentially said that Pryor hasn't proven anything yet. He gets a lot of hype, but he hasn't "done it" yet - stat wise.
  
  Then the counterpoint became, well look what Vince Young did at the same stage....as though that means that Pryor is automatically going to improve everything about his game from here forward. Those two have nothing to do with each other. You HOPE Pryor improves like VY did. The fact remains that VY is not the norm. There are plenty of other QBs who had the same moderate success at one point and who did not get better. So if you want your support to be that Pryor is going to have a breakout year because Vince Young did the same thing, I can just as easily point to several examples of QBs who were in similar positions and didn't break out. You say, the comparison is between VY and TP so any others are irrelevant. In truth, the comparison to VY is then just as irrelevant...all you are doing is hoping for the same result.
• thedynasty1998

  

  devil1197;447349 wrote:OSU is set up to play any type of football, their loaded at every single position on offense.

  Completely agree, but once Tressel gets a lead, he likes to play conservative.
  

  devil1197;447350 wrote:Tressel also thinks Pryor will throw more this season.
  
  http://origin.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/23626222

  I absolutely think he has more confidence in him and will allow him to do more.
  
  Here is a question for you though, does Tressel trust his defense more so than Pryor?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  lhslep134;447327 wrote:I completely agree with Devil, and a certain sportswriter from the dispatch also agrees that Pryor will have almost full reins of the offense this year, so how is he talking out of his ass if he's not the only one who thinks so?

  
  Devil isn't the one talking out of his ass, refering to the idiot dynasty.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  thedynasty1998;447333 wrote:SQ proving to be a stalker once again.

  
  Not sq, and def dont stalk you. I wouldnt' stalk an idiot. I post all over the board just like you do. Youre pathetic.
• devil1197

  thedynasty1998;447353 wrote:Completely agree, but once Tressel gets a lead, he likes to play conservative.
  
  
  
  I absolutely think he has more confidence in him and will allow him to do more.
  
  Here is a question for you though, does Tressel trust his defense more so than Pryor?

  
  I believe that Pryor is trusted right now just as much as Smith was trusted in his JR/SR year by Tressel
• thedynasty1998

  

  devil1197;447357 wrote:I believe that Pryor is trusted right now just as much as Smith was trusted in his JR/SR year by Tressel

  
  I would disagree with that. Troy Smith was highly accurate and was surrounded with better receivers, which is why I think he threw more. He only threw 4 interceptions his junior year, I just don't see that from Pryor.