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majorspark

dwccrew wrote:The copyright of JJHuddle has not been infringed upon. Breaking forum rules is not a very good way to sue either. They are basically up shit's creek without a paddle.

I believe they are lacking a boat as well.

Curly J

They are the ones who cut their own throat. They are the ones that caused of their own loss of compensation.

dwccrew

majorspark wrote:
dwccrew wrote:The copyright of JJHuddle has not been infringed upon. Breaking forum rules is not a very good way to sue either. They are basically up shit's creek without a paddle.
I believe they are lacking a boat as well.

Touche.

gut

dwccrew wrote: They could bring a lawsuit for whatever reason they wish, but everything you just named would not apply to any grounds for compensation to JJHuddle except for copyright infringement. Since this site did not do anything near that, there is no reason to bring suit.

The copyright of JJHuddle has not been infringed upon. Breaking forum rules is not a very good way to sue either. They are basically up shit's creek without a paddle.

Who said they have to get compensation? They could merely go after an injunction and a name change. There is no mistaking that the choice of name was designed to capitalize upon and mimic the brand JJ established over years.

You said it would get laughed out of court. It's not the strongest case obviously, but there are grounds to pursue. People connected with this forum have actively encouraged, even engaged in, direct attacks to cause harm to JJHuddle. Essentially piggybacking on the Huddle name is exploitation of the investment, sweat equity and brand they have built.

sleeper

I agree there are grounds for a lawsuit against this site, but I highly doubt that would be something that JJHuddle would want to pursue. It'd be expensive, and they wouldn't get a lot in return other than possibly getting this site to shut down or change its name. They'd be more inclined to spend their money fixing their flawed business model rather than gamble with a lawyer for no compensation.

dwccrew

gut wrote:
Who said they have to get compensation? They could merely go after an injunction and a name change. There is no mistaking that the choice of name was designed to capitalize upon and mimic the brand JJ established over years.

You said it would get laughed out of court. It's not the strongest case obviously, but there are grounds to pursue. People connected with this forum have actively encouraged, even engaged in, direct attacks to cause harm to JJHuddle. Essentially piggybacking on the Huddle name is exploitation of the investment, sweat equity and brand they have built.

What harm have they caused JJHuddle? They have only provided another option to another site. JJHuddle doesn't have a monopoly on the market.

I don't think this site has copied anything. JJ was much more geared towards high school sports, this site isn't. The name is similar, but that is it. There are many websites out there that are close in name. I don't think they'd have a strong case, as you stated, and I don't think they'd get any kind of judgment in their favor. But you're right, they could pursue, I just think it would be a waste of their time and money.

Mooney44Cards

gut wrote: Who said they have to get compensation? They could merely go after an injunction and a name change. There is no mistaking that the choice of name was designed to capitalize upon and mimic the brand JJ established over years.

You said it would get laughed out of court. It's not the strongest case obviously, but there are grounds to pursue. People connected with this forum have actively encouraged, even engaged in, direct attacks to cause harm to JJHuddle. Essentially piggybacking on the Huddle name is exploitation of the investment, sweat equity and brand they have built.

Gayyyyyyyy

gut

sleeper wrote: I agree there are grounds for a lawsuit against this site, but I highly doubt that would be something that JJHuddle would want to pursue. It'd be expensive, and they wouldn't get a lot in return other than possibly getting this site to shut down or change its name. They'd be more inclined to spend their money fixing their flawed business model rather than gamble with a lawyer for no compensation.

Very possibly. I was just curious if there have been any rumblings. Probably more arguments against it than for it. Mainly I could see a temporary injunction as a means to stop the exodus of members and maybe recapture some if and when they decide to go free again.

And who's to say they didn't expect this? The fee discourages trolls and peope who use mb's as chat rooms and often complain about overly restrictive rules. Maybe they are re-focusing it on being family friendly and mostly about HS football again. I think where they failed would be I would have hand picked key contributors to remain free members to keep traffic up. We all probably underestimate the demand from alumni for whom $12 is chump change to follow their school free of the trolls and childish trash talk.

tuskytuffguy

I posted the following on the "Should I get banned tonight" thread.

Those that get on JJ's and spew porn and other sick stuff and cause a scene do nothing but harm justin. It would be wise to set aside the immature bullshit and just have fun here.

The 'going down in a blaze' stuff needs to stop. If you don't want to or don't care to go back to JJ's, then don't, but being an utter ass solves nothing, and just makes you simply, look like an utter ass.

I'd be willing to bet the ones that have 'gone out in glory' are all high school and college-age individuals. The immaturiy shows.

Grow up, and consider that your actions ARE doing more harm to justin than you are tainting JJ's for a few minutes.

gut

dwccrew wrote:
gut wrote:
What harm have they caused JJHuddle? They have only provided another option to another site. JJHuddle doesn't have a monopoly on the market.

I don't think this site has copied anything. JJ was much more geared towards high school sports, this site isn't. The name is similar, but that is it. There are many websites out there that are close in name. I don't think they'd have a strong case, as you stated, and I don't think they'd get any kind of judgment in their favor. But you're right, they could pursue, I just think it would be a waste of their time and money.
Maybe a waste of time and money, depends on their motives and what direction they want to go. And copyright infringement, to my knowledge, doesn't require proving harm has been done.

Heck, a lawsuit might even be good publicity for both sites.

Mooney44Cards

tuskytuffguy wrote: I posted the following on the "Should I get banned tonight" thread.

Those that get on JJ's and spew porn and other sick stuff and cause a scene do nothing but harm justin. It would be wise to set aside the immature bullshit and just have fun here.

The 'going down in a blaze' stuff needs to stop. If you don't want to or don't care to go back to JJ's, then don't, but being an utter ass solves nothing, and just makes you simply, look like an utter ass.

I'd be willing to bet the ones that have 'gone out in glory' are all high school and college-age individuals. The immaturiy shows.

Grow up, and consider that your actions ARE doing more harm to justin than you are tainting JJ's for a few minutes.

Wow, you sound like one of JJ's minions. Don't come over here and fucking lecture us. Sometimes being immature and stupid ON THE INTERNET is perfectly fine. Jesus.....who they hell does it hurt that people are posting immature shit? Why justin? I really doubt justin gives a shit what any of the powers that be think about him and I certainly could care less. This site is booming, that site isn't. That's what it comes down to.

Quit pissing on everyone's parade. Pretty soon everyone will have gotten it out of their system (like I did) and move on. Take off your homemade maturity police badge and just shut the fuck up cuz no one on this site that's spamming JJ's is gonna stop and say "hey, you know what, he's right!" So all you're fishing for is a virtual pat on the back from people that agree with you. If that ego masturbation is the kind of shit you need, then stay on JJ's. They LOVE it when you promote maturity and sportsmanship.

tuskytuffguy

^^^^ My point exactly. Extra points for being a fan of THE University of Mooney.

FanOfCats

Mooney44Cards wrote:
tuskytuffguy wrote: I posted the following on the "Should I get banned tonight" thread.

Those that get on JJ's and spew porn and other sick stuff and cause a scene do nothing but harm justin. It would be wise to set aside the immature bullshit and just have fun here.

The 'going down in a blaze' stuff needs to stop. If you don't want to or don't care to go back to JJ's, then don't, but being an utter ass solves nothing, and just makes you simply, look like an utter ass.

I'd be willing to bet the ones that have 'gone out in glory' are all high school and college-age individuals. The immaturiy shows.

Grow up, and consider that your actions ARE doing more harm to justin than you are tainting JJ's for a few minutes.
Wow, you sound like one of JJ's minions. Don't come over here and fucking lecture us. Sometimes being immature and stupid ON THE INTERNET is perfectly fine. Jesus.....who they hell does it hurt that people are posting immature shit? Why justin? I really doubt justin gives a shit what any of the powers that be think about him and I certainly could care less. This site is booming, that site isn't. That's what it comes down to.

Quit pissing on everyone's parade. Pretty soon everyone will have gotten it out of their system (like I did) and move on. Take off your homemade maturity police badge and just shut the fuck up cuz no one on this site that's spamming JJ's is gonna stop and say "hey, you know what, he's right!" So all you're fishing for is a virtual pat on the back from people that agree with you. If that ego masturbation is the kind of shit you need, then stay on JJ's. They LOVE it when you promote maturity and sportsmanship.

Actually, Justin asked those that go to JJ and "blow up" NOT use freehuddle. He felt it might ultimately turn folks off of this site.... and I agree.

Want to go "blow up" on JJ, feel free ( I kinda like it, it's funny). But keep remarks limited to JJHuddle and don't point back to freehuddle. IMO.

PMing and continuing to get the word out is awesome, just do it with class.

dwccrew

tuskytuffguy wrote: I posted the following on the "Should I get banned tonight" thread.

Those that get on JJ's and spew porn and other sick stuff and cause a scene do nothing but harm justin. It would be wise to set aside the immature bullshit and just have fun here.

The 'going down in a blaze' stuff needs to stop. If you don't want to or don't care to go back to JJ's, then don't, but being an utter ass solves nothing, and just makes you simply, look like an utter ass.

I'd be willing to bet the ones that have 'gone out in glory' are all high school and college-age individuals. The immaturiy shows.

Grow up, and consider that your actions ARE doing more harm to justin than you are tainting JJ's for a few minutes.

How does it exactly harm Justin? He doesn't condone it nor encourage it. What people do on their own computer is not of Justin's concern unless it is on this site.

gut wrote:
Maybe a waste of time and money, depends on their motives and what direction they want to go. And copyright infringement, to my knowledge, doesn't require proving harm has been done.

Heck, a lawsuit might even be good publicity for both sites.

I don't see how any copyright infringement has been committed here though, is what I was saying. Besides huddle being in the name of the site, there really isn't too many similarities. No different than many of the other sports forums out there IMO.

Firad

tuskytuffguy wrote: I posted the following on the "Should I get banned tonight" thread.

Those that get on JJ's and spew porn and other sick stuff and cause a scene do nothing but harm justin. It would be wise to set aside the immature bullshit and just have fun here.

The 'going down in a blaze' stuff needs to stop. If you don't want to or don't care to go back to JJ's, then don't, but being an utter ass solves nothing, and just makes you simply, look like an utter ass.

I'd be willing to bet the ones that have 'gone out in glory' are all high school and college-age individuals. The immaturiy shows.

Grow up, and consider that your actions ARE doing more harm to justin than you are tainting JJ's for a few minutes.

We do what we want. This is America and Freehuddle!

Mooney44Cards

tuskytuffguy wrote: ^^^^ My point exactly. Extra points for being a fan of THE University of Mooney.

Seriously, go back to JJ huddle and start suckling on JJ's teet again. This site will be all the better for it.

And what's with the Mooney knock? Just being a smartass? Couldn't think of anything else? Was the university comment referring to our excellent academics at the school? I'm sure thats it. Extra points for spelling "tuff" like a "tuff" guy.

killdeer

this thread is becoming something like John Houseman from the "Paper Chase" meets "Beavis and ButtHead'.

(In tonight's performance, the role of ButtHead will be played by Mooney44Cards)

Mooney44Cards

killdeer wrote: this thread is becoming something like John Houseman from the "Paper Chase" meets "Beavis and ButtHead'.

(In tonight's performance, the role of ButtHead will be played by Mooney44Cards)

Thanks for the zany witty comment, killdeer!

I'm not sure how much I pay attention to comments made by some mouth-breather who makes his internet handle "killdeer". Were "drinkbudweiser", "cheerdalejr", and "laughatlarrythecableguy" already taken?

Upper90

I will say that people posting porn and crap like that over there is pretty ridiculous, if that's even the case.

Do what you will, but IMHO, the best thing for me was to just ignore the site completely. Not because I care whether I'm banned or not, but just because I don't care enough to take the time, to be honest. To each their own, of course.

Glory Days

Mooney44Cards wrote: Wow, you sound like one of JJ's minions. Don't come over here and fucking lecture us. Sometimes being immature and stupid ON THE INTERNET is perfectly fine. Jesus.....who they hell does it hurt that people are posting immature shit? Why justin? I really doubt justin gives a shit what any of the powers that be think about him and I certainly could care less. This site is booming, that site isn't. That's what it comes down to.

Quit pissing on everyone's parade. Pretty soon everyone will have gotten it out of their system (like I did) and move on. Take off your homemade maturity police badge and just shut the fuck up cuz no one on this site that's spamming JJ's is gonna stop and say "hey, you know what, he's right!" So all you're fishing for is a virtual pat on the back from people that agree with you. If that ego masturbation is the kind of shit you need, then stay on JJ's. They LOVE it when you promote maturity and sportsmanship.

pot meet kettle. dont come on here and lecture him. who does it hurt if he is expressing his opinion on how he thinks some people should have a little maturity when they go back to the huddle? and all you are fishing for is the "i am cool badge" and high five from your internet buddies to fulfill your ego masturbation needs.

Apple

Does the pay site have, and actively pursue "content"?
yes... debatable by some, but true.

Does freehuddle.com?
Nope

Does the pay site purposely and actively pursue revenue generation?
yes...

Does freehuddle.com?
Nope, though there are many subscribers who have expressed ways to generate the funds to keep freehuddle.com financially able to survive.

Does the pay site have an obvious logo and color scheme to it's website?
yes

Does freehuddle.com mimmic the pay site's logo and color scheme?
Nope

No doubt there are plenty of other DISsimilarities between the two sites, but these ones just come to mind for me...

majorspark

FanOfCats wrote:Actually, Justin asked those that go to JJ and "blow up" NOT use freehuddle. He felt it might ultimately turn folks off of this site.... and I agree.

Want to go "blow up" on JJ, feel free ( I kinda like it, it's funny). But keep remarks limited to JJHuddle and don't point back to freehuddle. IMO.

PMing and continuing to get the word out is awesome, just do it with class.

I agree. PM's are the way to go. I have gotten many over here with them. Try it PM someone and soon you may see their screen name as new member.

sleeper

Mooney44Cards wrote:
killdeer wrote: this thread is becoming something like John Houseman from the "Paper Chase" meets "Beavis and ButtHead'.

(In tonight's performance, the role of ButtHead will be played by Mooney44Cards)
Thanks for the zany witty comment, killdeer!

I'm not sure how much I pay attention to comments made by some mouth-breather who makes his internet handle "killdeer". Were "drinkbudweiser", "cheerdalejr", and "laughatlarrythecableguy" already taken?

I lol'd.

Heretic

dwccrew wrote:
tuskytuffguy wrote: I posted the following on the "Should I get banned tonight" thread.

Those that get on JJ's and spew porn and other sick stuff and cause a scene do nothing but harm justin. It would be wise to set aside the immature bullshit and just have fun here.

The 'going down in a blaze' stuff needs to stop. If you don't want to or don't care to go back to JJ's, then don't, but being an utter ass solves nothing, and just makes you simply, look like an utter ass.

I'd be willing to bet the ones that have 'gone out in glory' are all high school and college-age individuals. The immaturiy shows.Grow up, and consider that your actions ARE doing more harm to justin than you are tainting JJ's for a few minutes.
How does it exactly harm Justin? He doesn't condone it nor encourage it. What people do on their own computer is not of Justin's concern unless it is on this site.

My 2 cents on this part of the quote (as I have nothing to argue about with the rest of it).

1. To TTG: I wouldn't look at immaturity as the main factor behind all the JJ-spamming. The three-day warning the site was going back to pay-to-post....even if you'd paid to post before was essentially the breaking point for a lot of people. When the powers that be starting deleting any complaints and started banning people for being critical of the change, the flood gates opened. If you say "two wrongs don't make a right", I won't argue, but when it comes to immaturity, the way the people over there acted exhibited that trait to a huge degree and set the stage for any immaturity exhibited by others.

2. To DWC: From my perspective now that I've stopped caring about the old site and have mod duties here, I'd say that the simple act of someone going crazy there does nothing to hurt Justin and never could. But when people are using this site to talk about bombing that one, encouraging people to do so, bragging about doing so, etc......it could be a different story (considering details like how we aren't auto-deleting any post mentioning other sites, such as theirs). The way I look at it is to do what you have to do to deal with how you feel about them, but don't make it a public forum event. That's jumped the shark more than the phrase "jump the shark" has and really does nothing to help this site.

gut

Apple wrote: No doubt there are plenty of other DISsimilarities between the two sites, but these ones just come to mind for me...

And none of what you mention is a requirement for copyright infringement.

If I were to start a website today called "Mipod" promoting free music of local bands, I could be sued by Apple and likely lose eventhough it has nothing to do with IPod and no revenue generation.

I'm just saying the FreeHuddle name was ripped from JJ with the obvious intent to make a connection between the communities to attract people wishing to remain part of said community.

To me it's pretty obvious. You could have chosen any other name. You could have attracted users through other means, but many, many here have been brought over by spamming the address and pm'ing individuals there. In fact, the first few times I saw it I didn't know what it was and thought it was a joke, "fight the power" sort of thing like "free the huddle" or whatever. Had they chosen a different unrelated name, I probably don't make the connection or just don't bother with what I assume is someone just trying to sucker people over to their own site. It was a cleverly chosen name, and that's also the reason I think it's a pretty blatant copyright infringement.

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