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Is being GAY a choice or are you born that way?

  • jmog
    DeyDurkie5 wrote:

    Fairwood is gay for one, so I highly doubt he thinks it is wrong. Two, it's not wrong to be gay...if you quit living by the bible then you would realize that it's just as natural as you coming out of the womb wanting to fuck girls. Three, how are you going to tell god anything he is dead. He was just some dude that died years ago, the fact you bash people for what they want personally makes you and every other christian lunatics. If you had a gay son, would you banish him??
    I swear, get off your high horse.

    He never bashed fairwood, he never judged him, he said what he believes is right/wrong. He ALSO said that the Bible says Christians are to love others and not treat them any different, which is true.

    He never bashed, he never did any of the sort and you adding that to his post makes you look like you can't read.

    Even stretching it to say if he had a gay son would he banish him?

    Give me a break, actually read what he typed before assuming he was one of the far right lunatics who want to kill homosexuals.

    Learn to read.
  • jmog
    devil1197 wrote: I bet God loved gays.
    He absolutely does.

    He hates the sin but loves the sinner (aka all of us).

    If you people could get it through your head that if you take away the far right wing nut jobs, most of us conservative Christians believe that being gay is a sin but it does NOT change how we look at the homosexual.

    I'm a sinner they're a sinner, now lets move along and treat each other with respect.

    I had an uncle who was gay (died of AIDS) and a sibling who is gay. That doesn't change my belief that it is wrong/sinful.
  • jmog
    Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:

    Did god write the book? Or is it just a collection of moral stories that were passed down for ages until finally put down on paper. When was the first bible written? Or by Whom? Who decides its actually the word of God that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote down?? What if its not the word of God and just some ramblings that got written down. Im too smart to just blindly believe what i read that is basically 25 guys opinion.
    Do you believe any history book you've ever read that talks about history of at least 1000 or more years ago?

    According to your statement above you should NOT believe anything in the history books that is 1000 or more years old, because our history books were put together in the EXACT same way.
  • DeyDurkie5
    jmog wrote:
    DeyDurkie5 wrote:

    Fairwood is gay for one, so I highly doubt he thinks it is wrong. Two, it's not wrong to be gay...if you quit living by the bible then you would realize that it's just as natural as you coming out of the womb wanting to fuck girls. Three, how are you going to tell god anything he is dead. He was just some dude that died years ago, the fact you bash people for what they want personally makes you and every other christian lunatics. If you had a gay son, would you banish him??
    I swear, get off your high horse.

    He never bashed fairwood, he never judged him, he said what he believes is right/wrong. He ALSO said that the Bible says Christians are to love others and not treat them any different, which is true.

    He never bashed, he never did any of the sort and you adding that to his post makes you look like you can't read.

    Even stretching it to say if he had a gay son would he banish him?

    Give me a break, actually read what he typed before assuming he was one of the far right lunatics who want to kill homosexuals.

    Learn to read.
    Umm, he said if you don't believe in god that you are wrong. How can being a natural human being be sinful? It's called being blinded by a fucking book. Get off your high horse and think for yourself, not what you have been told for years.
  • jmog
    FairwoodKing wrote: I will try to be as objective as I can about the conflict between religion and homosexuality. It is true that I am an atheist and I know many other gay atheists. But I also know a great many gay and lesbian Christians and Jews, and many of them are very devout. I could never understand how it is possible to be a gay Christian since Christianity clearly doesn't want us. But it happens often, so I feel the need to state this.
    You are wrong, even though Christianity believes homosexuality is a sin, any normal church would accept a gay member with no problem. I know mine would.

    Homosexuality is no different than ANY other sin in a real Christians eyes, and everyone in that church building has sin in their life, heterosexual or homosexual.
  • DeyDurkie5
    jmog wrote:
    FairwoodKing wrote: I will try to be as objective as I can about the conflict between religion and homosexuality. It is true that I am an atheist and I know many other gay atheists. But I also know a great many gay and lesbian Christians and Jews, and many of them are very devout. I could never understand how it is possible to be a gay Christian since Christianity clearly doesn't want us. But it happens often, so I feel the need to state this.
    You are wrong, even though Christianity believes homosexuality is a sin, any normal church would accept a gay member with no problem. I know mine would.

    Homosexuality is no different than ANY other sin in a real Christians eyes, and everyone in that church building has sin in their life, heterosexual or homosexual.
    Yeah they would accept them, and then try and get them to change or repent their sins for being a homosexual lol how is that fair? Hey we think being black is sinful, but if you come to our church and change to a white person we will accept you!
  • jmog
    DeyDurkie5 wrote:

    Umm, he said if you don't believe in god that you are wrong. How can being a natural human being be sinful? It's called being blinded by a fucking book. Get off your high horse and think for yourself, not what you have been told for years.
    If there is anyone on this thread who has thought for themselves and not just followed either the religion or main stream media's opinions...its me (Otrap as well).

    I never stated anything about being born or choice yet on this thread.

    You have no idea what belief changes, self challenges, etc I've gone through in life as a scientist and Christian. So please, have a clue.

    The post you quoted said nothing of the sort of what you just typed.
  • jmog
    DeyDurkie5 wrote:

    Yeah they would accept them, and then try and get them to change or repent their sins for being a homosexual lol how is that fair? Hey we think being black is sinful, but if you come to our church and change to a white person we will accept you!
    No one in the church can change anyone, sorry but you are wrong there.

    If I'm a smoker the church can't change me, only God and my own desire to change can change me.

    You think you know everything about churches but you obviously don't have a clue.

    You are now taking it as far as bringing race into it? Come on...simmer down for a minute and think before you type.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    jmog wrote:
    Even as someone who believes its a choice, you can't be serious with this analogy...that's just asinine.
    jmog wrote: [

    I never stated anything about being born or choice yet on this thread.

    That was too easy :)
  • DeyDurkie5
    jmog wrote:
    DeyDurkie5 wrote:

    Umm, he said if you don't believe in god that you are wrong. How can being a natural human being be sinful? It's called being blinded by a fucking book. Get off your high horse and think for yourself, not what you have been told for years.
    If there is anyone on this thread who has thought for themselves and not just followed either the religion or main stream media's opinions...its me (Otrap as well).

    I never stated anything about being born or choice yet on this thread.

    You have no idea what belief changes, self challenges, etc I've gone through in life as a scientist and Christian. So please, have a clue.

    The post you quoted said nothing of the sort of what you just typed.
    I didn't quote what he said, I am saying he said those things in the previous pages.
  • DeyDurkie5
    jmog wrote:
    DeyDurkie5 wrote:

    Yeah they would accept them, and then try and get them to change or repent their sins for being a homosexual lol how is that fair? Hey we think being black is sinful, but if you come to our church and change to a white person we will accept you!
    No one in the church can change anyone, sorry but you are wrong there.

    If I'm a smoker the church can't change me, only God and my own desire to change can change me.

    You think you know everything about churches but you obviously don't have a clue.

    You are now taking it as far as bringing race into it? Come on...simmer down for a minute and think before you type.
    No shit people can only change for themselves, I said that the church would try and change them...Start reading the threads better mr jesus
  • Al Capone
    Honest question Fairwood. You ever been on the boobs thread?
  • Trueblue23
    Al Capone wrote: Honest question Fairwood. You ever been on the boobs thread?
    I really hope you aren't making fun of the guy for his sexuality man.
  • Society
    Trueblue23 wrote:
    Al Capone wrote: Honest question Fairwood. You ever been on the boobs thread?
    I really hope you aren't making fun of the guy for his sexuality man.
    Oh No! He asked a simple question...get over yourself.
  • Mr Pat
    "Whether catholicism is the largest religion in the world or not matters not, as it does not hold true to the Bible in entirety either. If you studied the Bible you would be enlightened to some truths and stop making your own assinine statements. "

    I have studied the bible, I know a group of people in there who looked down on everyone else for not following the Torah to the letter, even looked down on Jesus for working on the Sabbath. If I remember correctly, Jesus wasn't too fond of them. Do the Pharisees ring a bell because your holier-than-thou talk seem like you would have fit in quite well with them.

    Feel free to stereotype over a billion people because of this message board, whatever floats your boat.
  • Al Capone
    Trueblue23 wrote:
    Al Capone wrote: Honest question Fairwood. You ever been on the boobs thread?
    I really hope you aren't making fun of the guy for his sexuality man.
    No, not really. Just curious.
  • FairwoodKing
    Al Capone wrote:
    Trueblue23 wrote:
    Al Capone wrote: Honest question Fairwood. You ever been on the boobs thread?
    I really hope you aren't making fun of the guy for his sexuality man.
    No, not really. Just curious.
    No I haven't.
  • Trueblue23
    Al Capone wrote:
    Trueblue23 wrote:
    Al Capone wrote: Honest question Fairwood. You ever been on the boobs thread?
    I really hope you aren't making fun of the guy for his sexuality man.
    No, not really. Just curious.
    Okay, no problem man. I could just see that taking off into a "how could you ... blah blah"
  • Heretic
    Series62 wrote:If in your opinion, you choose not to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior because you don't believe that He is God.......yes, your opinion is wrong!
    The Christian god doesn't exist.

    If he really existed, Jesus was just a prophet who is nothing more than bones today...not the son of a fictional god who will save everyone who believes in myths.

    The bible is fiction on the same level as J.R.R. Tolkien's Silmarillion.


    My statements are just as valid as the one you just made. I have faith I'm right and that's all. Just like you. Believe what you want, but don't act like your beliefs are any less delusional than those of others.
  • Series62
    cbus4life wrote: The Bible isn't 2,000 years old, btw, Series.
    Read back cbus, I simply replied to Big_Mirg_ZHS's comment in Post #84.

    Every time you speak, the descriptive attribute below your name is revealed.
  • Series62
    DeyDurkie5 wrote: Fairwood is gay for one, so I highly doubt he thinks it is wrong. Two, it's not wrong to be gay...if you quit living by the bible then you would realize that it's just as natural as you coming out of the womb wanting to fuck girls. Three, how are you going to tell god anything he is dead. He was just some dude that died years ago, the fact you bash people for what they want personally makes you and every other christian lunatics. If you had a gay son, would you banish him??
    Living by the Bible teaches me what is natural and what is right! Our reproductive organs were made for human reproduction. A man's penis in another man's anus won't reproduce anything but a mess.

    To tell a man he is wrong because of the choices he's made is not bashing nor does it make me and other Christians lunatics. If any of my son's made the "choice" to be gay, I would love still them yet also disappointed in their "decision". They are still my children that I love, but I would still hate their decision of sin!

    And much to your dismay, God is not dead, He's still alive!!!
  • Series62
    DeyDurkie5 wrote: So what do you make of other religions? Are they wrong?
    What does the Bible say? There is only one true and living God!
  • Series62
    Gblock wrote: i dont believe jesus is god...i believe he is the son of god
    John 10:30; Jesus the son of God said, "I and my Father are one."

    I John 5:7; "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

    John 1:1; "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

    A word of warning for you, read;
    Revelation 22:18-19
  • Big_Mirg_ZHS
    Series62 wrote:
    DeyDurkie5 wrote: So what do you make of other religions? Are they wrong?
    What does the Bible say? There is only one true and living God!
    Im praying for you to come to grips with reality.
  • jmog
    ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
    jmog wrote:
    Even as someone who believes its a choice, you can't be serious with this analogy...that's just asinine.
    jmog wrote: [

    I never stated anything about being born or choice yet on this thread.

    That was too easy :)
    lol, caught...didn't remember typing the comment about that one asinine comparison.