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Is being GAY a choice or are you born that way?

  • UA5straightin2008
    devil1197 wrote: Real question:

    Is hating gay's a choice or are you born that way?
    born that way
  • Series62
    Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
    Series62 wrote:
    Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
    jmog wrote:
    Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
    So being gay is a sin eh? I love how christians are not supposed to judge yet thats what they spend most of their time doing.
    How is saying its a sin judging? Learn the definition of sin and judge.

    Reiterating what the Bible says about homosexuality is not judging.

    Now, if he said "all those homos are going to hell and are dispicable" then you'd have a point.
    Well for something to be a sin someone judged it bad. I dont agree with it being bad.

    "Sin is often used to mean an action that is prohibited or considered wrong;"

    Judge: to form an opinion of; He has an opinion that its a sin. He says its a sin so he obviously thinks its wrong. There is my logic. Im catholic but i still dont think its a sin. And i still think ill go to heaven not because my brother is in to dudes and I don't sit there telling him how awful of a human being he is.
    You don't think it's a sin!?

    Do catholics read the Bible at all or do they just let the priest to read and interpret it to them?
    Series62 wrote:
    cbus4life wrote:
    majorspark wrote:
    cbus4life wrote: I thought you were supposed to let God do that judging? Judge not lest you be judged?
    If you read that whole passage in its context, it is speaking of making self-righteous/hypocritcal judments of others.
    I know.

    And he seems to be making self-righteous judgments of others, the way i'm reading it.
    He made the statement that his life is not influenced by God's Word, which is to say his life is not influenced by God. Thereby, he does not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. It's not a self-righteous judgment at all, it is a statement of truth based upon his own words.

    Jesus will do the judging and He does not judge by your Karma.
    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Jesus believed in Karma, I never said i dont live by Gods word, I just said i dont live my life based on a 2,000 year old book. I never once denouced God in Any way. Nice way to put words into my mouth. Nice try though.
    That 2,000 year old book, The Holy Bible, is God's word, and to denounce His word is to denounce Him. You put the words in your own mouth. The Buddhists/Hinduists used God's words to define Karma.
    And by the way, Jesus, is God!
    Mr Pat wrote: Nothing like taking a shot and making an assinine statement on the largest religion in the world because you disagree with one of them. Cool guy!
    Whether catholicism is the largest religion in the world or not matters not, as it does not hold true to the Bible in entirety either. If you studied the Bible you would be enlightened to some truths and stop making your own assinine statements.
  • tcby99
    some make a choice....some are born that way....and that goes for both genders!!!
  • Writerbuckeye
    Gotta love religious folks who absolutely, positively, without question KNOW how God thinks and feels.

    Amazing.
  • FairwoodKing
    We gay people know that we did not become this way by choice. As I stated in a previous post, when I was 18 I "chose" to be straight. No matter what I did, it didn't work. Then at the age of 30, I chose to come out of the closet and be myself. I was a great deal happier when I made that decision.

    The most unfortunately thing about being gay is that our acceptance into general society is not determined by us but by straight people. It was straight people who voted here in the state of Washington to allow us all the rights of marriage. But it was also straight people who voted against allowing gay people to adopt in Arkansas.

    The Bible is our biggest enemy. The Bible is clearly wrong regarding homosexual issues, but Christians accept it. It was because of the Bible that gays and lesbians were burned at the stake during the Middle Ages and why many were arrested in the US as recently as the 20th century.

    It is my job as a gay man to convince as many people as possible that we are perfectly normal people and that there is no logical reason why we shouldn't get married and adopt children. But it is a tough hill to climb. I know that I never made a choice to become gay, but there is no way I can absolutely prove it to anyone. Since I am the only gay man who has posted on this thread, I hope you will accept my word since I am the only one who has gone through this. I also welcome any questions.
  • devil1197
    I bet God loved gays.
  • Series62
    Writerbuckeye wrote: Gotta love religious folks who absolutely, positively, without question KNOW how God thinks and feels.

    Amazing.
    NO!, I do however know what His word says regarding this sin and others.
    "Thou shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" Leviticus 18:22

    "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and recieving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Romans 1:26-27.

    You have to love men like you who are wont to ridicule in ignorance.
  • DeyDurkie5
    Series62 wrote:
    cbus4life wrote:
    majorspark wrote:
    cbus4life wrote: I thought you were supposed to let God do that judging? Judge not lest you be judged?
    If you read that whole passage in its context, it is speaking of making self-righteous/hypocritcal judments of others.
    I know.

    And he seems to be making self-righteous judgments of others, the way i'm reading it.
    He made the statement that his life is not influenced by God's Word, which is to say his life is not influenced by God. Thereby, he does not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. It's not a self-righteous judgment at all, it is a statement of truth based upon his own words.

    Jesus will do the judging and He does not judge by your Karma.

    So if someone doesn't believe in the lord, it makes their opinion wrong?
  • Series62
    FairwoodKing wrote: We gay people know that we did not become this way by choice. As I stated in a previous post, when I was 18 I "chose" to be straight. No matter what I did, it didn't work. Then at the age of 30, I chose to come out of the closet and be myself. I was a great deal happier when I made that decision.

    The most unfortunately thing about being gay is that our acceptance into general society is not determined by us but by straight people. It was straight people who voted here in the state of Washington to allow us all the rights of marriage. But it was also straight people who voted against allowing gay people to adopt in Arkansas.

    The Bible is our biggest enemy. The Bible is clearly wrong regarding homosexual issues, but Christians accept it. It was because of the Bible that gays and lesbians were burned at the stake during the Middle Ages and why many were arrested in the US as recently as the 20th century.

    It is my job as a gay man to convince as many people as possible that we are perfectly normal people and that there is no logical reason why we shouldn't get married and adopt children. But it is a tough hill to climb. I know that I never made a choice to become gay, but there is no way I can absolutely prove it to anyone. Since I am the only gay man who has posted on this thread, I hope you will accept my word since I am the only one who has gone through this. I also welcome any questions.
    The Bible teaches Christians to love their fellow man, but we are not to love sin. I do not love the sin that I am wont to commit. I strive not to commit sin, though at times I do, I don't however practice it as a lifestyle or life-choice.

    I know that you know homosexuality is wrong despite your attempts at justification.

    However, you will have your opportunity to tell God that He is wrong! I'm praying for you!
  • devil1197
    So you sinned, I pray for you.
  • DeyDurkie5
    Series62 wrote:
    FairwoodKing wrote: We gay people know that we did not become this way by choice. As I stated in a previous post, when I was 18 I "chose" to be straight. No matter what I did, it didn't work. Then at the age of 30, I chose to come out of the closet and be myself. I was a great deal happier when I made that decision.

    The most unfortunately thing about being gay is that our acceptance into general society is not determined by us but by straight people. It was straight people who voted here in the state of Washington to allow us all the rights of marriage. But it was also straight people who voted against allowing gay people to adopt in Arkansas.

    The Bible is our biggest enemy. The Bible is clearly wrong regarding homosexual issues, but Christians accept it. It was because of the Bible that gays and lesbians were burned at the stake during the Middle Ages and why many were arrested in the US as recently as the 20th century.

    It is my job as a gay man to convince as many people as possible that we are perfectly normal people and that there is no logical reason why we shouldn't get married and adopt children. But it is a tough hill to climb. I know that I never made a choice to become gay, but there is no way I can absolutely prove it to anyone. Since I am the only gay man who has posted on this thread, I hope you will accept my word since I am the only one who has gone through this. I also welcome any questions.
    The Bible teaches Christians to love their fellow man, but we are not to love sin. I do not love the sin that I am wont to commit. I strive not to commit sin, though at times I do, I don't however practice it as a lifestyle or life-choice.

    I know that you know homosexuality is wrong despite your attempts at justification.

    However, you will have your opportunity to tell God that He is wrong! I'm praying for you!
    Fairwood is gay for one, so I highly doubt he thinks it is wrong. Two, it's not wrong to be gay...if you quit living by the bible then you would realize that it's just as natural as you coming out of the womb wanting to fuck girls. Three, how are you going to tell god anything he is dead. He was just some dude that died years ago, the fact you bash people for what they want personally makes you and every other christian lunatics. If you had a gay son, would you banish him??
  • Series62
    DeyDurkie5 wrote: So if someone doesn't believe in the lord, it makes their opinion wrong?
    It depends on the subject of their opinion.

    In my opinion, Michael Jordan was the greatest basketball player ever. Your opinion might choose Lebron James. No matter!

    If in your opinion, you choose not to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior because you don't believe that He is God.......yes, your opinion is wrong!
  • Upper90
    I love the Religion. I do not always love the Religious.
  • DeyDurkie5
    Series62 wrote:
    DeyDurkie5 wrote: So if someone doesn't believe in the lord, it makes their opinion wrong?
    It depends on the subject of their opinion.

    In my opinion, Michael Jordan was the greatest basketball player ever. Your opinion might choose Lebron James. No matter!

    If in your opinion, you choose not to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior because you don't believe that He is God.......yes, your opinion is wrong!
    So what do you make of other religions? Are they wrong?
  • WeAreNC
    Edited for breaking the new rules - Trueblue23
  • tk421
    Series62 wrote:
    DeyDurkie5 wrote: So if someone doesn't believe in the lord, it makes their opinion wrong?
    It depends on the subject of their opinion.

    In my opinion, Michael Jordan was the greatest basketball player ever. Your opinion might choose Lebron James. No matter!

    If in your opinion, you choose not to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior because you don't believe that He is God.......yes, your opinion is wrong!
    :D Religious people are so funny. How can an opinion be wrong? Do you have definitive proof of God's existence? What makes you an expert?
  • Gblock
    Series62 wrote:
    DeyDurkie5 wrote: So if someone doesn't believe in the lord, it makes their opinion wrong?
    It depends on the subject of their opinion.

    In my opinion, Michael Jordan was the greatest basketball player ever. Your opinion might choose Lebron James. No matter!

    If in your opinion, you choose not to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior because you don't believe that He is God.......yes, your opinion is wrong!
    i dont believe jesus is god...i believe he is the son of god
  • GoPens
    Series62 wrote: I know that you know homosexuality is wrong despite your attempts at justification.

    However, you will have your opportunity to tell God that He is wrong! I'm praying for you!
    You did not just write that. No one with half a brain could write that. It's people like you that give Christians a bad name and drove me from the church...seriously.

    Dear God, please save me from your followers...
  • FairwoodKing
    Series62 wrote:
    FairwoodKing wrote: We gay people know that we did not become this way by choice. As I stated in a previous post, when I was 18 I "chose" to be straight. No matter what I did, it didn't work. Then at the age of 30, I chose to come out of the closet and be myself. I was a great deal happier when I made that decision.

    The most unfortunately thing about being gay is that our acceptance into general society is not determined by us but by straight people. It was straight people who voted here in the state of Washington to allow us all the rights of marriage. But it was also straight people who voted against allowing gay people to adopt in Arkansas.

    The Bible is our biggest enemy. The Bible is clearly wrong regarding homosexual issues, but Christians accept it. It was because of the Bible that gays and lesbians were burned at the stake during the Middle Ages and why many were arrested in the US as recently as the 20th century.

    It is my job as a gay man to convince as many people as possible that we are perfectly normal people and that there is no logical reason why we shouldn't get married and adopt children. But it is a tough hill to climb. I know that I never made a choice to become gay, but there is no way I can absolutely prove it to anyone. Since I am the only gay man who has posted on this thread, I hope you will accept my word since I am the only one who has gone through this. I also welcome any questions.
    The Bible teaches Christians to love their fellow man, but we are not to love sin. I do not love the sin that I am wont to commit. I strive not to commit sin, though at times I do, I don't however practice it as a lifestyle or life-choice.

    I know that you know homosexuality is wrong despite your attempts at justification.

    However, you will have your opportunity to tell God that He is wrong! I'm praying for you!
    You're an idiot. I know homosexuality is NOT wrong despite what you say. It's people like you who finally drove me from the church.
  • cbus4life
    The Bible isn't 2,000 years old, btw, Series.
  • cbus4life
    Upper90 wrote: I love the Religion. I do not always love the Religious.
    Ditto.

    "Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."

    "Christians have to help Jesus Christ be manifested by their way of life, showing those around them love, understanding, and tolerance are possible. This will not be accomplished just by books and sermons. It has to be realized by the way we live."

    I know it isn't fair, probably, as i've known so many "Christ-like" Christians. But, i figure it is appropriate, given the way Series, and CGW as well, have been acting.
  • Big_Mirg_ZHS
    Series62 wrote:
    Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
    Series62 wrote:
    Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
    jmog wrote:
    Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
    So being gay is a sin eh? I love how christians are not supposed to judge yet thats what they spend most of their time doing.
    How is saying its a sin judging? Learn the definition of sin and judge.

    Reiterating what the Bible says about homosexuality is not judging.

    Now, if he said "all those homos are going to hell and are dispicable" then you'd have a point.
    Well for something to be a sin someone judged it bad. I dont agree with it being bad.

    "Sin is often used to mean an action that is prohibited or considered wrong;"

    Judge: to form an opinion of; He has an opinion that its a sin. He says its a sin so he obviously thinks its wrong. There is my logic. Im catholic but i still dont think its a sin. And i still think ill go to heaven not because my brother is in to dudes and I don't sit there telling him how awful of a human being he is.
    You don't think it's a sin!?

    Do catholics read the Bible at all or do they just let the priest to read and interpret it to them?
    Series62 wrote:
    cbus4life wrote:
    majorspark wrote:
    cbus4life wrote: I thought you were supposed to let God do that judging? Judge not lest you be judged?
    If you read that whole passage in its context, it is speaking of making self-righteous/hypocritcal judments of others.
    I know.

    And he seems to be making self-righteous judgments of others, the way i'm reading it.
    He made the statement that his life is not influenced by God's Word, which is to say his life is not influenced by God. Thereby, he does not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. It's not a self-righteous judgment at all, it is a statement of truth based upon his own words.

    Jesus will do the judging and He does not judge by your Karma.
    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Jesus believed in Karma, I never said i dont live by Gods word, I just said i dont live my life based on a 2,000 year old book. I never once denouced God in Any way. Nice way to put words into my mouth. Nice try though.
    That 2,000 year old book, The Holy Bible, is God's word, and to denounce His word is to denounce Him. You put the words in your own mouth. The Buddhists/Hinduists used God's words to define Karma.
    And by the way, Jesus, is God!
    Did god write the book? Or is it just a collection of moral stories that were passed down for ages until finally put down on paper. When was the first bible written? Or by Whom? Who decides its actually the word of God that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote down?? What if its not the word of God and just some ramblings that got written down. Im too smart to just blindly believe what i read that is basically 25 guys opinion.
  • FairwoodKing
    I will try to be as objective as I can about the conflict between religion and homosexuality. It is true that I am an atheist and I know many other gay atheists. But I also know a great many gay and lesbian Christians and Jews, and many of them are very devout. I could never understand how it is possible to be a gay Christian since Christianity clearly doesn't want us. But it happens often, so I feel the need to state this.
  • hasbeen
    Series62 wrote:


    I know that you know homosexuality is wrong despite your attempts at justification.

    However, you will have your opportunity to tell God that He is wrong! I'm praying for you!
    You really are an idiot. Love the religious nuts who think they KNOW whatever else thinks. You guys are the biggest problem in society.

    I also love how ya'll will say "I'm praying for you." Like they really want that. :rolleyes: I think you'd be better suited to just pray that you haven't wasted your entire life following a code written by some guys who liked writing nonfiction. They were probably the Mitch Hedberg, Robin Williams, and Larry the Cable Guy of their generation.

    You, sir, lose!
  • jmog
    Writerbuckeye wrote: Gotta love religious folks who absolutely, positively, without question KNOW how God thinks and feels.

    Amazing.
    Um...there are some topics that God is quite clear how God thinks/feels according to what he said in the Bible.

    I'm not saying I know everything about God, but I do know what he said with the Bible.