Is Being Gay "Normal?"
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dwccrew
Yeah, but they chose to be.Fab1b;1080488 wrote:Also note some of those apes may have been gay!
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dwccrew
Science? Ha! That is not nearly as accurate as a book written by many different men about 1500-2000 years ago.justincredible;1080485 wrote:Well, 96% of our genes are the same.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0831_050831_chimp_genes.html -
justincredible
Sometimes I choose to let my wife give it to me with a strap-on. It's cool, though, because it's sex between a man and a woman. -
isadore
part of your continuing effort to deny gays the basic right of state sanctioned marriage.Con_Alma;1080298 wrote:It is one of the easiest solutions available to the problems we face today.
Get the State out of marriages. -
dwccrew
justincredible;1080494 wrote:Sometimes I choose to let my wife give it to me with a strap-on. It's cool, though, because it's sex between a man and a woman.
Leaked photo
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DeyDurkie5
some people are drinking the gayterade tonight...amirite?? -
OSH
Why? What's wrong with that? Why couldn't have Christians wanted slavery to end?dwccrew;1080442 wrote:I get it. You're not being serious. Because there is no way you could possibly believe slavery was abolished because of christians wanting it to end.
You know how the saying goes, "that's what you get for thinking."I Wear Pants;1080463 wrote:I don't think you've ever talked to a gay person.
I don't really think it's much of a problem to think that people are born heterosexual. I do, and can see, a conflict in how a person of faith (whether it be Christian, Catholic, Islam, etc.) has with saying someone is actually "born" gay.Fab1b;1080464 wrote:Really? Are you saying then that you were born straight and chose to act on that? Also there are plenty of people out there that have always known their sexual preference but never acted on it and obstain from sex but they still know if they are straight or gay, or both! -
Fab1b
So you can be born hetero but not homo is that what you are saying in a nutshell? -
dwccrew
Nothing is wrong with you saying Christians wanted to end slavery. What is wrong is when you claimed that they were the reason it ended. Slavery ended because the politics of the Union won the war, not because of Christian principles. Lincoln didn't want a divided country. You really should go back to 4th grade history class and sit in and participate.OSH;1080507 wrote:Why? What's wrong with that? Why couldn't have Christians wanted slavery to end? -
OSH
I am saying, I find it hard to believe that the Christian God would have people be born "homosexual." I can see the conflict in the "born" homosexual debate then. Yes. That is what I am saying.Fab1b;1080513 wrote:So you can be born hetero but not homo is that what you are saying in a nutshell?
I do think there is a lot to the "nature v. nurture" too. Not that it affects all homosexuals/heterosexuals...I just think there is a lot to it.
Apparently you should go back to 4th grade reading.dwccrew;1080516 wrote:Nothing is wrong with you saying Christians wanted to end slavery. What is wrong is when you claimed that they were the reason it ended. Slavery ended because the politics of the Union won the war, not because of Christian principles. Lincoln didn't want a divided country. You really should go back to 4th grade history class and sit in and participate.
I specifically said, "in England" in regards to William Wilberforce and slavery. I believe it started there before it started in America.
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Skyhook79
http://www.discovery.org/a/2292justincredible;1080485 wrote:Well, 96% of our genes are the same.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0831_050831_chimp_genes.html -
dwccrew
LOL, says the guy who believes this "I find it hard to believe that the Christian God would have people be born homosexual".OSH;1080525 wrote:I am saying, I find it hard to believe that the Christian God would have people be born "homosexual." I can see the conflict in the "born" homosexual debate then. Yes. That is what I am saying.
I do think there is a lot to the "nature v. nurture" too. Not that it affects all homosexuals/heterosexuals...I just think there is a lot to it.
Apparently you should go back to 4th grade reading.
I specifically said, "in England" in regards to William Wilberforce and slavery. I believe it started there before it started in America.
Good chat.
I guess I find it hard that a Christian God would allow children to be raped or born with disabilities.
Maybe we should ride the bus together to school? -
majorspark
Fab1b;1080355 wrote:You don't think homesexuality was around in biblical times, when the man they call Jesus was around there was no homosexuality?
Homosexuality is discussed in the Bible. The Bible documents all kinds of human sexual activity. Homosexuality, beastiality, adultery, incest, rape, prostitution, etc. Those who have read the Bible are aware of this. I would guess a lot of homsexuals belive God exists. But most would have a problem with what the Bible has to say about the subject. -
OSH
Where is there a sin in being disabled?dwccrew;1080533 wrote:LOL, says the guy who believes this "I find it hard to believe that the Christian God would have people be born homosexual".
I guess I find it hard that a Christian God would allow children to be raped or born with disabilities.
Maybe we should ride the bus together to school?
Where is there a sin in being raped? Here, I am talking about the person that is raped...not the rapist.
Do bad things happen? Yep. Why do they happen? I cannot say. But do I think that someone would be created TO sin (if one actually believes homosexuality is a sin)...I find it hard to believe. -
Fab1b
dwccrew;1080533 wrote:LOL, says the guy who believes this "I find it hard to believe that the Christian God would have people be born homosexual".
I guess I find it hard that a Christian God would allow children to be raped or born with disabilities.
Maybe we should ride the bus together to school?
Exactly can't have it both ways. If God exists and creation was the way then he created hetero, homo, good, evil, murders, rapists, pedos, liberals, etc....
That is really the part of religion I don't get. You give your god credit for good but not the blame for the bad or things you don't agree with!! -
dwccrew
If rape is a sin than why would God create a rapist? If murder is a sin why would God create a murderer? Your argument makes no sense.OSH;1080566 wrote:Where is there a sin in being disabled?
Where is there a sin in being raped? Here, I am talking about the person that is raped...not the rapist.
Do bad things happen? Yep. Why do they happen? I cannot say. But do I think that someone would be created TO sin (if one actually believes homosexuality is a sin)...I find it hard to believe. -
I Wear Pants
Lol at two things. First being that you think that's what the theory of evolution says. Was this what your school taught you?:Skyhook79;1080481 wrote:So you believe your ancestors were apes?
The second being since you believe in the bible you believe that women came from a rib. So your absurdly simplified version of evolution wherein we came from apes is apparently some ridiculous idea and yet that a magical being took a rib from a male human and poof, women humans were created is something to be accepted. -
Fab1b
Also don't turn to free will either as the out! The victims of crimes, those with illness, deformities, etc...was that of their own free will? Is being gay or straight of free will or are you wired that way?
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dwccrew
Clearly it is free will just like choosing to enjoy the greatness of vagina is free will. Duh. It's so simple!Fab1b;1080586 wrote:Also don't turn to free will either as the out! The victims of crimes, those with illness, deformities, etc...was that of their own free will? Is being gay or straight of free will or are you wired that way? -
OSH
Who says God created the rapist -- as the rapist, not the man/woman?dwccrew;1080576 wrote:If rape is a sin than why would God create a rapist? If murder is a sin why would God create a murderer? Your argument makes no sense.
Who says God created the murderer -- as the murderer, not the man/woman?
Things happen. This is why Deism is popular. Basically, God created the earth (and its inhabitants) and then backed away.Fab1b;1080586 wrote:Also don't turn to free will either as the out! The victims of crimes, those with illness, deformities, etc...was that of their own free will? Is being gay or straight of free will or are you wired that way?
Everything else just happens.
We run into the problem of free will, predestination, good v. evil, etc. when it is believed that God is STILL present and active in daily life. That is when people have a struggle with crimes, deformities, and other things that are perceived either evil or "bad." -
Bio-Hazzzzard
I grew up in a majority family of christians. There are many theories, which no man can prove, how life as we know it exists. I have christian beliefs that say God created the heavens and the earth, Adam and Eve gave birth to sin, and that every earthly man falls short of the glory of God but can be forgiven. As a christian I am obligated to love and accept any other being although I don't agree with their ways or desires. I do believe that everyone is born with sin in their life and it is up to them in a christian belief to ask God to help them.
The bottom line here is have FAITH in what you believe in whether it is God, science, evolution etc..
The world would be a better place if the world accepted each other for who they are and not who they want them to be. -
pmoney25
Serious question
IF there were absolutely 0 Gay people in the world, How would the world change for the better? What are they doing that is so devasting to human civilization? -
I Wear Pants
Faith has nothing to do with science or evolution.Bio-Hazzzzard;1080603 wrote:I grew up in a majority family of christians. There are many theories, which no man can prove, how life as we know it exists. I have christian beliefs that say God created the heavens and the earth, Adam and Eve gave birth to sin, and that every earthly man falls short of the glory of God but can be forgiven. As a christian I am obligated to love and accept any other being although I don't agree with their ways or desires. I do believe that everyone is born with sin in their life and it is up to them in a christian belief to ask God to help them.
The bottom line here is have FAITH in what you believe in whether it is God, science, evolution etc..
The world would be a better place if the world accepted each other for who they are and not who they want them to be.
God is either not all knowing, not all powerful, or not good.OSH;1080597 wrote:Who says God created the rapist -- as the rapist, not the man/woman?
Who says God created the murderer -- as the murderer, not the man/woman?
Things happen. This is why Deism is popular. Basically, God created the earth (and its inhabitants) and then backed away.
Everything else just happens.
We run into the problem of free will, predestination, good v. evil, etc. when it is believed that God is STILL present and active in daily life. That is when people have a struggle with crimes, deformities, and other things that are perceived either evil or "bad."
Because if god is all knowing yet he lets the atrocities happen he's an asshole, if he lets the atrocities happen because he can't do anything then he isn't all powerful.
If god is somehow tricked by the devil or is unaware of atrocities then he isn't all knowing.
So the idea of a benevolent all knowing, all seeing, all powerful god is impossible.
God (assuming he exists) either doesn't know people are being raped and murdered, can't do anything about it, or doesn't care. -
Bio-Hazzzzard
Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing not based on truth, I believe it does.I Wear Pants;1080643 wrote:Faith has nothing to do with science or evolution.
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I Wear Pants
Confidence or trust in a person or thing not based on evidence has absolutely nothing to do with science. This is inarguable.Bio-Hazzzzard;1080647 wrote:Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing not based on truth, I believe it does.
It goes both ways