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Do You Believe in Heaven and Hell?

  • DeyDurkie5
    Sonofanump;996294 wrote:Right now the numbers are 2/3 yes and 1/3 no. There appear to be alot more athesis (not from the poll which I understand is not the question, but rather from comments) on here than I would have thought. It appears the best data shows that 12% of the US population is athesis, seems like that number might be double here. Maybe it is a younger population demographic that is on this board.
    maybe people are finally living in reality?
  • Devils Advocate
    Skyhook79;995874 wrote:Man is created in God's image .

    Cool.





    I do not know about heaven, But I have faith that there is no Hell as in the whole fire and brimstone thing. I would thing that Hell would be "out of god's presense.
  • jmog
    Mulva;995349 wrote:You would have to expand on that view for me. Heaven and hell are man made concepts. Believing that how "good" (also based on human morality) a person is determines where an intangible aspect of the self such as the "soul" spends all of eternity doesn't seem logical at all.

    It's actually a very narcissistic viewpoint in my opinion. As if humanity is significant in the grand scheme of the universe.
    O-Trap would be better to give examples here, but there are many logical proofs/reasons for a belief in a supreme being and/or heaven/hell. You just gave your opinion that it doesn't "sound logical" not actual logical reasons.
  • DeyDurkie5
    jmog;996430 wrote:O-Trap would be better to give examples here, but there are many logical proofs/reasons for a belief in a supreme being and/or heaven/hell. You just gave your opinion that it doesn't "sound logical" not actual logical reasons.
    what logical proof is there for a supreme being?
  • Heelz
    DeyDurkie5;994962 wrote:This is what I hate about this subject. why not sit down, and actually think for yourself on how it sounds to YOU. Not what someone taught you years ago. If you think about it, and actually believe in it, then that is better than just saying "oh i was taught that at bible study(probably by a pedophile), so i believe in it"
    I have sat down and thought about it and decided I still believe in the stuff I was taught. All my Sunday schools were taught by females and no pedophiles....I'm not catholic.
  • Devils Advocate
    Heelz;996503 wrote:I have sat down and thought about it and decided I still believe in the stuff I was taught. All my Sunday schools were taught by females and no pedophiles....I'm not catholic.
    You ain't thinkin straight cause you weren't butt raped.
  • password
    ernest_t_bass;996079 wrote:I find both sides hard to prove (at least in my mind), as both take faith. Yes, there is some science that can point you in the right direction, either way, but neither can actually PROVE what the truth is. My faith leans towards a literal heaven and hell. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But I'd rather be a wrong believer, than a wrong atheist.
    So you were raised to believe that people who don't believe will go to hell and the people who buy into the bullshit will go to a beautiful place called heaven? That sounds like the Catholic scare tactics that are forced on children of the Catholic religion. For all the people that believe in God and his greatness, I always hear that he does everything for a reason so please explain to me what he was trying to teach his followers when he unleashed Mr. Sandusky and all the pedophile priest that he created. GTFO.
  • Skyhook79
    password;996806 wrote: For all the people that believe in God and his greatness, I always hear that he does everything for a reason so please explain to me what he was trying to teach his followers when he unleashed Mr. Sandusky and all the pedophile priest that he created. GTFO.
    God didn't unleash Sandusky and the pedophile priest's they unleashed themselves. They made the choice to do harm just like you make your own choices in life.
  • Laley23
    Skyhook79;997267 wrote:God didn't unleash Sandusky and the pedophile priest's they unleashed themselves. They made the choice to do harm just like you make your own choices in life.
    So God allowed them to do it?
  • Heelz
    Devils Advocate;996741 wrote:You ain't thinkin straight cause you weren't butt raped.
    Indeed
  • tcarrier32
    jmog;996430 wrote:O-Trap would be better to give examples here, but there are many logical proofs/reasons for a belief in a supreme being and/or heaven/hell. You just gave your opinion that it doesn't "sound logical" not actual logical reasons.
    im not going to try to start shit. but most logical proofs for belief in a god can only argue to the existence for a deistic god, not a personal one.

    there is a reason something like 73% of Philosophers lean towards Atheism/Agnosticism.
  • tcarrier32
    DeyDurkie5;996442 wrote:what logical proof is there for a supreme being?
    logical proof? there are plenty of attempted philosophical arguments for the existence of god. the most famous might be St. Thomas Aquinas' Five Ways.

    here is a sample. its called the Kalam Cosmological Argument.

    1) Everything that has a beginning of its existence has a cause for its existence;
    2) The Universe has a beginning of its existence. Therefore
    3) The Universe has a cause of its existence.
    4) If the Universe has a cause of its existence, then that cause is God;
    5) Therefore, God exists.

    like I stated earlier, these types of arguments really only posit the existence of a Causal Agent. Which could really be anything.
  • Skyhook79
    Laley23;997370 wrote:So God allowed them to do it?
    Do you allow God to make choices for you or do you make them yourself?
  • DeyDurkie5
    Skyhook79;997603 wrote:Do you allow God to make choices for you or do you make them yourself?
    god created everything
    people are creations of god
    people do what they do cause god allowed them to do so
    some people rape kids(sandusky)
    god allowed people to rape kids

    "oh but that's not true, every human has their own choices, it's not gods choices."

    so when someone performs a miracle, or rescues a baby from a burning house, or when someone does something magical, it's not god it's them? Why do you say thank god when those things happen, but not when awful things happen.
  • Skyhook79
    DeyDurkie5;997617 wrote:god created everything
    people are creations of god
    people do what they do cause god allowed them to do so
    some people rape kids(sandusky)
    god allowed people to rape kids

    "oh but that's not true, every human has their own choices, it's not gods choices."

    so when someone performs a miracle, or rescues a baby from a burning house, or when someone does something magical, it's not god it's them? Why do you say thank god when those things happen, but not when awful things happen.
    Yes, you are correct, God allows people to do miraculous/heroic things also.
  • FatHobbit
    tcarrier32;997508 wrote:2) The Universe has a beginning of its existence.
    That is what I have an issue with. Why does the universe have to have a beginning? If you can accept that god has always been there, what's so different about saying the universe has always been there? If the universe has to have a beginning, then why doesn't god?
  • DeyDurkie5
    Skyhook79;997632 wrote:Yes, you are correct, God allows people to do miraculous/heroic things also.
    but he doesnt allow them to do horrible, horrible things?
  • justincredible
    lhslep134;995750 wrote:I've read testimony of people that have had supposedly out of body experiences in a near death situation, and that kind of makes me think that something happens after you die. What that is, I don't know.
    IMO, these are nothing more than a neurological response to the trauma. Just dreams, basically.
  • tcarrier32
    FatHobbit;997640 wrote:That is what I have an issue with. Why does the universe have to have a beginning? If you can accept that god has always been there, what's so different about saying the universe has always been there? If the universe has to have a beginning, then why doesn't god?
    Oh there are many problems with the various arguments for the existence of god. The Kalam argument is not considered to be an end all in the debate. Far from it, in fact. I think that future breakthroughs in astrophysics will explain that the Universe does not have a "beginning".
  • tcarrier32
    justincredible;997644 wrote:IMO, these are nothing more than a neurological response to the trauma. Just dreams, basically.
    there is actually a school of thought that attributes NDE to the release of the chemical DMT to the brain. Whats interesting about this is the fact that DMT is also believed to cause dreams as well.
  • Sonofanump
    Jesus Christ, I need to unsubscribe to the this thread!
  • Con_Alma
    DeyDurkie5;997641 wrote:but he doesnt allow them to do horrible, horrible things?
    Sure He does. He allows humans to make any decisions they choose.
  • Con_Alma
    DeyDurkie5;997617 wrote:god created everything
    people are creations of god
    people do what they do cause god allowed them to do so
    some people rape kids(sandusky)
    god allowed people to rape kids

    "oh but that's not true, every human has their own choices, it's not gods choices."

    so when someone performs a miracle, or rescues a baby from a burning house, or when someone does something magical, it's not god it's them? Why do you say thank god when those things happen, but not when awful things happen.
    The thanks is often times for the created form we are having the abilities to pull off such activities.
  • dlazz
    Con_Alma;997712 wrote:The thanks is often times for the created form we are having the abilities to pull off such activities.
    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
  • Con_Alma
    example. Thank you God. Thank you for creating us in such a way so that we were be able to that baby from the burning house.