GOP Healthcare plan

• majorspark

  

  gut;1861707 wrote:Wait a minute - Boatshoes is complaining Medicaid isn't free enough?!?

  Perhaps if judges would start sentencing people to medicaid more people would get there lives turned around.
• QuakerOats

  like_that;1860919 wrote:For those in favor of single payer, google charlie gard to see a preview of what single payer does.

  
  An American doctor specializing in conditions such as that affecting Charlie Gard is set to travel to Britain next week to assess the critically ill child.
  
  More on this: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/14/charlie-gard-us-doctor-will-travel-to-uk-to-assess-ill-infant.html
• BoatShoes

  Spock;1861702 wrote:i got news for you......medicaid and the government is not her problem.

  I don't disagree lol.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  I honestly don't understand the reasoning of the UK on this one. Why in the world would parents of an infant be legally blocked from trying any outside source for their child? It boggles the mind how any court could block this. In a so-called free society.
• BoatShoes

  majorspark;1861704 wrote:I don't think it is a question of sympathy. Society has created a program that would likely care for her medical needs yet she refuse to apply because she knowingly has arrest warrants. She is pretty much flipping off the people who would help her.

  I agree and thus, like I said, people generally don't have much sympathy for petty criminals who flip off society and those who would help them!
• BoatShoes

  gut;1861707 wrote:Wait a minute - Boatshoes is complaining Medicaid isn't free enough?!?

  I think she'd probably be better off getting her free healthcare in jail rather than living in boarded up houses and turning tricks now and again while on medicaid lol.
• BoatShoes

  John Kasich on the GOP's latest plan:
  

  [FONT=&quot]“The Senate plan is still unacceptable. Its cuts to Medicaid are too deep and at the same time it fails to give states the ability to innovate in order to cope with those reductions. It also doesn’t do enough to stabilize the insurance market, where costs are rising unsustainably and companies are simply dropping coverage,” Kasich said.[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]“These shortcomings flow from the fact that the Senate plan commits the same error as Obamacare — it’s not bipartisan. It fails to bring solutions from both sides to the table that can ensure we aren’t simply replacing one divisive plan with another.[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]“We can still fix this and repeal and replace Obamacare with ideas that will work, but it means having leaders from both sides sitting down together and working in good faith on solutions that responsibly manage Medicaid and stabilize our insurance market. I’m hopeful that will happen and I know that a bipartisan group of governors, including myself, stands ready to help in any way to provide an affordable, sustainable and responsible system of health care for the American people,” Kasich said.[/FONT]
  

  Is it enough to get Rob Portman not to bring Obamacare-Light Across the finish line???
• QuakerOats

  The inventors of obamaKare knew there were weak-kneed governors out there who would drink the kool-aid and get hooked on federal medicaid dollars. It made their "governing" easier ......and everyone knows the easy way is the best way.
  
  
  Ahh, but when the pacifier is pulled away, there is wailing and gnashing of teeth. We can either fix the problem, by completely repealing obamaKAre - period - or we can doom ourselves forever by ruining the greatest health care the world will ever know.
• Spock

  

  CenterBHSFan;1862532 wrote:I honestly don't understand the reasoning of the UK on this one. Why in the world would parents of an infant be legally blocked from trying any outside source for their child? It boggles the mind how any court could block this. In a so-called free society.

  Whatever it is.....socialized medicine looks real bad when they run those stories
• BoatShoes

  QuakerOats;1862556 wrote:The inventors of obamaKare knew there were weak-kneed governors out there who would drink the kool-aid and get hooked on federal medicaid dollars. It made their "governing" easier ......and everyone knows the easy way is the best way.
  
  
  Ahh, but when the pacifier is pulled away, there is wailing and gnashing of teeth. We can either fix the problem, by completely repealing obamaKAre - period - or we can doom ourselves forever by ruining the greatest health care the world will ever know.

  So Mike Lee and Jerry Moran torpedo the Better Care Reconciliation Act and before the day is done Rob Portman of Ohio torpedos repealing the affordable care act without a replacement.
  
  Thank God for Rob Portman and John Kasich.
• salto

  

  Spock;1862568 wrote:Whatever it is.....socialized medicine looks real bad when they run those stories

  No doubt the death of one baby, who's officially brain dead and has zero chance to recover, matters more than the death to thousands of infants. The United States mortality of infants is significantly higher than the UK and other "socialized medicine" countries. Intervening in one complex case is courageous, but building a health care system which would prevent suffering of many more is too much to bear.
  The USA is dead last when evaluating health care against, Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the UK.
• Spock

  

  salto;1862762 wrote:No doubt the death of one baby, who's officially brain dead and has zero chance to recover, matters more than the death to thousands of infants. The United States mortality of infants is significantly higher than the UK and other "socialized medicine" countries. Intervening in one complex case is courageous, but building a health care system which would prevent suffering of many more is too much to bear.
  The USA is dead last when evaluating health care against, Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the UK.

  
  
  
  big if true....links?
• Automatik

  

  Start with google.com
  
  It's common knowledge.
• salto

  

  Spock;1862763 wrote:[/B]
  
  big if true....links?

  Automatik;1862764 wrote:Start with google.com
  
  It's common knowledge.

  Hope this helps.
• Heretic

  

  Show of hands for anyone surprised that CC not only has done no research on any of this stuff, but also doesn't even seem to even comprehend how to actually do research.
  
  "I don't know enough to say whether this is true or not, so can someone lead me directly to where this knowledge might be hidden in plain sight???"
• gut

  So, no repeal and no replacement.
  
  Dems love a good pyrrhic victory!
• like_that

  

  salto;1862762 wrote:No doubt the death of one baby, who's officially brain dead and has zero chance to recover, matters more than the death to thousands of infants. The United States mortality of infants is significantly higher than the UK and other "socialized medicine" countries. Intervening in one complex case is courageous, but building a health care system which would prevent suffering of many more is too much to bear.
  The USA is dead last when evaluating health care against, Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the UK.

  That is one way to justify the government making a decision on your child's life (pretend it is a Graham wrestler in your case) or perhaps your own health in the future.
  
  The US had the most affordable and highest quality health care in the world until the government started to get involve and over regulate the industry*. Also, a lot of those countries you listed would be amongst our poorest states in terms of median income, but go ahead and compare a countries with a population less than most of our states to the most diverse country in the world with 320M+ people.
  
  Google.com will tell you that too. Hope this helps.
  
  *The quality (not to be confused with affordability) of healthcare here is still arguably one of the best. The is a reason why people travel to the US to receive health care. The only time you see people from the US traveling to other countries for healthcare is when they can't receive the healthcare in the US due to government overreach. You can choose 2 of the 3: universality, affordability, or quality. Having all three is a pipe dream.
• like_that

  

  gut;1862769 wrote:So, no repeal and no replacement.
  
  Dems love a good pyrrhic victory!

  When they take back control, I wonder if they will have the balls to move to single payer, or will they pull the same ***** shit the GOP just did. California balking at their 400B/yr single payer plan might be foreshadowing.
• salto

  

  like_that;1862771 wrote:That is one way to justify the government making a decision on your child's life (pretend it is a Graham wrestler in your case) or perhaps your own health in the future.

  
  Not sure what pretending its a Graham wrestler has to do with it, suppose that is another sad attempt at sarcastic humor by you.
  
  /failed again.
• like_that

  

  salto;1862773 wrote:Not sure what pretending its a Graham wrestler has to do with it, suppose that is another sad attempt at sarcastic humor by you.
  
  /failed again.

  Well you have no sympathy for a dying child and you didn't have one for a human dying in a plane crash. I figured imagining a Graham wrestler in same situation would provide some clarity. Sorry it went over your head.
• BoatShoes

  gut;1862769 wrote:So, no repeal and no replacement.
  
  Dems love a good pyrrhic victory!

  Please proceed Gut. Will enjoy being entertained by the hot take as to why the preservation of Obamacare is a pyrrhic victory for dems.
• BoatShoes

  like_that;1862772 wrote:When they take back control, I wonder if they will have the balls to move to single payer, or will they pull the same ***** shit the GOP just did. California balking at their 400B/yr single payer plan might be foreshadowing.

  I don't believe single payer will ever happen. I think maybe you get default medicaid for all for those that don't have coverage with perhaps a payroll tax but the obamacare regime largely stays.
• like_that

  

  BoatShoes;1862777 wrote:I don't believe single payer will ever happen. I think maybe you get default medicaid for all for those that don't have coverage with perhaps a payroll tax but the obamacare regime largely stays.

  So do you think the current dems are stealing the GOP playbook and campaigning off a healthcare agenda lie to win seats? There are a lot of dems embracing single payer.
• gut

  BoatShoes;1862777 wrote:I don't believe single payer will ever happen. I think maybe you get default medicaid for all for those that don't have coverage with perhaps a payroll tax but the obamacare regime largely stays.

  It's basically cheering the two workers who couldn't decide how to remove the pile of shit from your yard....so they just left it there. I don't know, maybe you'd spin it that your yard is well fertilized.
• BoatShoes

  like_that;1862778 wrote:So do you think the current dems are stealing the GOP playbook and campaigning off a healthcare agenda lie to win seats? There are a lot of dems embracing single payer.

  I think some of them might be deliberately lying (i.e. saying they will support single-payer when they don't really believe it would ever get through), some of them are true believers like Bernie who I disagree with but wouldn't consider them to be lying.