Impressed by Trump administration
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jmog
First 2 years in office Obama had a D HoR and a Filibuster Proof Supermajority D Senate. Middle 4 years he had a split Legislature. Only the last 2 has the Rs had both houses.sleeper;1831583 wrote:Sure. I still don't see why he gets the blame. What can Obama do given a Republican Congress that doesn't want to work with him? If you are going to blame Obama, Republicans deserve just as much blame further enhancing the irony of QO's shit posts.
He didn't do jack for the economy in the 2 years he had all of the power. -
queencitybuckeye
There's not a job shortage, there's a skills gap and a don't-want-to-get-dirty problem.sleeper;1831582 wrote:It's very difficult to find a job that pays a living wage. I'd love to see the Republican plan to address wage stagnation as we become a more automated society that requires less inputs to achieve greater output. So far, nothing but blaming Obama and pretending Trump is going to put job/wage growth on steroids by cutting taxes and denying climate change. -
sleeper
We have the best economy since George Bush left office. I'd say he did plenty.jmog;1831588 wrote:First 2 years in office Obama had a D HoR and a Filibuster Proof Supermajority D Senate. Middle 4 years he had a split Legislature. Only the last 2 has the Rs had both houses.
He didn't do jack for the economy in the 2 years he had all of the power. -
gut
That's largely of his own doing. He didn't need to work with Repubs his first two years, and didn't think he'd ever have to. That extreme partisanship from the Axis of Incompetence (Obama, Pelosi, Reid) basically set the table for the polarization we have today.sleeper;1831583 wrote:Sure. I still don't see why he gets the blame. What can Obama do given a Republican Congress that doesn't want to work with him? If you are going to blame Obama, Republicans deserve just as much blame further enhancing the irony of QO's shit posts.
It's easy to blame Repubs....Obama and the Dems are at least as much to blame (and don't get me started on Reid's shenanigans as Senate Majority Leader). -
sleeper
Partisan politics that's why.iclfan2;1831586 wrote:Why did they blame Bush for everything? Did the democrats not have an all democrat congress for the first couple years? What did he try to pass that would have spurned growth and got blocked? Did democrats not block any action from the repubs as well? You don't get to defend Obama and cast no blame on him while simultaneously him blaming Bush for everything. Raising the minimum wage doesn't count as helping create jobs either.
Also, climate change is like 50th on the list of things to care about currently. Our people and our economy should be the top 20 on the list. And how do you propose ANYONE creates jobs for people who don't want to work in the first place? Why work when the government pays so well to not?
It'll be fun watching QO defend RINO Trump because he has an R next to his name.
Sure climate change isn't a priority, but to deny it is pretty ridiculous. That's our EPA chief now so you got your wish. -
sleeper
Dysfunction swings both ways. It wasn't Obama who declared before Day 1 of office "We are going to make Obama a 1-term President".gut;1831594 wrote:That's largely of his own doing. He didn't need to work with Repubs his first two years, and didn't think he'd ever have to. That extreme partisanship from the Axis of Incompetence (Obama, Pelosi, Reid) basically set the table for the polarization we have today.
It's easy to blame Repubs....Obama and the Dems are at least as much to blame (and don't get me started on Reid's shenanigans as Senate Majority Leader). -
gut
No...look at GDP growth....look at the debt....looks at the deficits....look at labor participation. Best economy since Obama took office, probably. But most of his results are just propped up by easy money/printing money. There's nothing fundamentally strong about the Obamaconomy - W had the faux financial/mortgage boom, but at least he had something for a short while.sleeper;1831593 wrote:We have the best economy since George Bush left office. I'd say he did plenty. -
sleeper
Anyways, looking forward to Republicans, who have 100% control over the government to save the world and create jobs like we've never see before. Believe me, it's going to happen.
Hail Trump! -
gut
LOL, yeah that wasn't the Repubs, either. The famous quote you're referring to is from Mitch McConnell in Rolling Stone....in October 2010 (liberals love throwing that quote around, oblivious to the fact it wasn't uttered until after nearly 18 months of Obama and the Dems steamrolling the minority party)sleeper;1831596 wrote:Dysfunction swings both ways. It wasn't Obama who declared before Day 1 of office "We are going to make Obama a 1-term President". -
sleeper
I'm sure Romney would have fixed all of the above. Careful, your partisanship is showing.gut;1831597 wrote:No...look at GDP growth....look at the debt....looks at the deficits....look at labor participation. Best economy since Obama took office, probably. But most of his results are just propped up by easy money/printing money. There's nothing fundamentally strong about the Obamaconomy - W had the faux financial/mortgage boom, but at least he had something for a short while. -
iclfan2
There is a difference in denying climate change and questioning man's actual impact. Of course if you try to say that the climate is cyclical and man's impact on it exists but no one knows how much exactly, you are a "climate change denier". When climate change stops being a money maker for people maybe the risks will be taken more seriously.sleeper;1831595 wrote:Sure climate change isn't a priority, but to deny it is pretty ridiculous. That's our EPA chief now so you got your wish. -
gut
I've said many times Obama was anti-growth, anti-business. Just pick-up a financial newspaper and witness optimism for the first time in 8 years from small business and industry. The markets haven't had a furious rally because of Trumps foreign policy, that's for sure.sleeper;1831600 wrote:I'm sure Romney would have fixed all of the above. Careful, your partisanship is showing. -
sleeper
The famous quote is the first public statement. I'm sure Republicans didn't just magically wake up one day and go "Yeah we need to stop him".gut;1831599 wrote:LOL, yeah that wasn't the Repubs, either. The famous quote you're referring to is from Mitch McConnell in Rolling Stone....in October 2010.
The Republican plan is quite simple: make government dysfunctional and then blame the government for the dysfunction. Hail Trump! -
sleeper
How fancy is your tin foil hat? I'm sure there is some mass conspiracy by the world's leading scientists to make up climate change to stick it to the evil businessman. Please.iclfan2;1831601 wrote:There is a difference in denying climate change and questioning man's actual impact. Of course if you try to say that the climate is cyclical and man's impact on it exists but no one knows how much exactly, you are a "climate change denier". When climate change stops being a money maker for people maybe the risks will be taken more seriously. -
gut
No, they didn't. Like I said, that quote comes after 18 months of being steamrolled by the Dems....that's a very, very different thing than "Day 1".sleeper;1831603 wrote:The famous quote is the first public statement. I'm sure Republicans didn't just magically wake up one day and go "Yeah we need to stop him".
Hell, Dems aren't even waiting until Trump takes office to oppose and stop him. -
jmog
You do realize then we you just set "we have the best economy of the last 8 years". Well Obama has presided over all 8 of those years so at some point in his term he would definitely have the "best economy since Busy".sleeper;1831593 wrote:We have the best economy since George Bush left office. I'd say he did plenty. -
like_that
Free education. Haven't you listened to Bernie?sleeper;1831582 wrote:It's very difficult to find a job that pays a living wage. I'd love to see the Republican plan to address wage stagnation as we become a more automated society that requires less inputs to achieve greater output. So far, nothing but blaming Obama and pretending Trump is going to put job/wage growth on steroids by cutting taxes and denying climate change. -
jmoggut;1831605 wrote:No, they didn't. Like I said, that quote comes after 18 months of being steamrolled by the Dems....that's a very, very different thing than "Day 1".
Hell, Dems aren't even waiting until Trump takes office to oppose and stop him.
Don't expect Sleeper to acknowledge the fact that he was wrong "before day 1" and 18 months later are one in the same to him. -
sleeper
Not wrong. Privately it was a goal; it was stated publicly until much later.jmog;1831608 wrote:Don't expect Sleeper to acknowledge the fact that he was wrong "before day 1" and 18 months later are one in the same to him. -
iclfan2
This is exactly why people can't have competent discussions about climate change. If it was a fact on how much man's impact is vs. the cyclical nature of the earth, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And LOL at the "World's leading scientists".sleeper;1831604 wrote:How fancy is your tin foil hat? I'm sure there is some mass conspiracy by the world's leading scientists to make up climate change to stick it to the evil businessman. Please. -
sleeper
Yeah, those guys at NASA are real slouches.iclfan2;1831625 wrote:This is exactly why people can't have competent discussions about climate change. If it was a fact on how much man's impact is vs. the cyclical nature of the earth, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And LOL at the "World's leading scientists".
There is no "discussion" about climate change. It's real. Period. Now go Bible thump. -
ptown_trojans_1
IC Report is out.
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iclfan2
The discussion isn't whether it is real or not, the climate is obviously changing. The discussion is the measurable and actual man made impact. Can you read? Are these the same scientists who originally called it global warming and then had to walk that back real quick? I believe that plants sending chemicals into the air has some sort of affect on the environment, as does almost everyone.sleeper;1831630 wrote:Yeah, those guys at NASA are real slouches.
There is no "discussion" about climate change. It's real. Period. Now go Bible thump. -
sleeper
Then you would disagree with Trump and his EPA chief who says climate change is not real. You own it!iclfan2;1831637 wrote:The discussion isn't whether it is real or not, the climate is obviously changing. The discussion is the measurable and actual man made impact. Can you read? Are these the same scientists who originally called it global warming and then had to walk that back real quick? I believe that plants sending chemicals into the air has some sort of affect on the environment, as does almost everyone. -
like_that
I don't agree with him there, but I like the fact he hates the EPA. The EPA is a complete joke.sleeper;1831638 wrote:Then you would disagree with Trump and his EPA chief who says climate change is not real. You own it!