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  • Spock
    sleeper;1804609 wrote:Trump can't even get half the Republican party to endorse him and you think he's going to get anything done in Congress? That's even assuming he has a red congress in the first place.

    He's a lame duck at best.
    trump cant get half the pubs inside the beltway.....you do know he had 15 million primary votes and crushed everyone all the way through?
  • QuakerOats
    O-Trap;1804586 wrote:

    Look, I dislike Clinton every bit as much as I dislike Trump, but these sorts of predictions are silly.

    For examples, see below:

    Effectively, much of them are true. I hardly recognize this country any more.
  • QuakerOats
    sleeper;1804609 wrote:Trump can't even get half the Republican party to endorse him and you think he's going to get anything done in Congress? That's even assuming he has a red congress in the first place.

    He's a lame duck at best.

    I gave you very, very specific policies that will come about as congress gives Trump bills to sign, and he signs them. I am not certain why you cannot understand these specific examples.
  • QuakerOats
    Automatik;1804587 wrote:Who then? ISIS has been around a while. The were gonna "rise" regardless of who was in office.


    So basically you're going to just continue to piss and moan on a half-assed sports webforum? Enjoy!



    Doom and gloom is his game. He showed a few seconds of happiness during the Cleveland victory, but it was short lived. Back to your normal programming...SKY IS FALLING.

    obama/clinton provided the vacuum from which ISIS bloomed. Sorry you forgot about that.
  • O-Trap
    QuakerOats;1804623 wrote:Effectively, much of them are true. I hardly recognize this country any more.

    The economy has not collapsed. It has improved ever so slightly, no thanks to our current president.

    Moreover, the nation has not "collapsed," and we do not have a dictator any more so than we had prior to 2012.

    So no, they're not true. Whether or not you recognize the country, an economic collapse and a dictatorship are actual things.

    If you're looking for nebulous hyperbole, see most of Trump's platform thus far.
  • Automatik
    QuakerOats;1804625 wrote:obama/clinton provided the vacuum from which ISIS bloomed. Sorry you forgot about that.

    How so?


    For a minute I thought we were done over there...remember?

  • gut
    Congress won't work with Trump, but no worries Trump has a pen. And Trump has a phone.
  • QuakerOats
    Heretic;1804588 wrote:No, you just post like an overdramatic little bitch. A REAL IMPROVEMENT!!!!!

    "this nation will collapse prior to 2016", lolfail.

    Doubling the debt to $20 trillion, completely untenable when rates rise.
    Record number of Americans out of work.
    Record numbers on welfare and disability.
    Radicals in federal agencies crushing industry/capitalism at every turn with executive fiats.
    Illegal aliens pouring in, worsening welfare and crime.
    obamacare devasting health care insurance.
    Terrorism on the rise, and police being turned on.

    Just incredible.

    Not much of a fail on my call.
  • QuakerOats
    O-Trap;1804626 wrote:The economy has not collapsed. It has improved ever so slightly, no thanks to our current president.

    Moreover, the nation has not "collapsed," and we do not have a dictator any more so than we had prior to 2012.

    So no, they're not true. Whether or not you recognize the country, an economic collapse and a dictatorship are actual things.

    If you're looking for nebulous hyperbole, see most of Trump's platform thus far.
    We do have a dictator, he even said as much when talking about going around congress. His radical agencies pour out disastrous rules every day, debilitating industry. Our trade imbalance is a disaster. He vetoed the repeal of obamacare (obviously) despite its crushing effects on individuals, businesses and the economy. We have record numbers of people without work who we don't even acknowledge anymore in the calculation. We have no real growth; haven't had any for 8 years. You can sugarcoat it all you want.
  • sleeper
    Spock;1804621 wrote:knock, knock, all political decisions are made from the point of power related to money. What the hell do you think lobbyist do all day long?
    So Trump as President is going to use the leverage of his own personal finances and connections to make deals with other world leaders?

    Get real.
  • sleeper
    Spock;1804622 wrote:trump cant get half the pubs inside the beltway.....you do know he had 15 million primary votes and crushed everyone all the way through?
    Irrelevant. Who in Congress is going to work with Trump?

    List them.
  • sleeper
    QuakerOats;1804624 wrote:I gave you very, very specific policies that will come about as congress gives Trump bills to sign, and he signs them. I am not certain why you cannot understand these specific examples.
    Right. Republicans don't have a filibuster proof majority and they never will. None of that shit is getting to his desk in the first place.
  • QuakerOats
    sleeper;1804635 wrote:Right. Republicans don't have a filibuster proof majority and they never will. None of that shit is getting to his desk in the first place.
    obamacare repeal went to obama's desk earlier this year; he vetoed. Trump would have signed it.


    GET IN THE GAME
  • sleeper
    QuakerOats;1804636 wrote:obamacare repeal went to obama's desk earlier this year; he vetoed. Trump would have signed it.


    GET IN THE GAME
    I don't want Obamacare repealed until a better solution is proposed to replace it.

    Another reason to vote for HRC I guess.
  • sleeper
    I'll add another reason to vote for HRC is to continue to watch QO cry about D's in office. It's pathetic at best.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1804638 wrote:I don't want Obamacare repealed until a better solution is proposed to replace it.

    Another reason to vote for HRC I guess.

    There's already a better solution as part of the House's agenda and it will make it to the floor. The point however was that such things as an Obamacare repeal can and ave in fact made it ll the way to executive office for signature.
  • Automatik
    Con_Alma;1804640 wrote:There's already a better solution as part of the House's agenda and it will make it to the floor. The point however was that such things as an Obamacare repeal can and ave in fact made it ll the way to executive office for signature.
    Serious question....got a link? I'm interested.
  • Con_Alma


    http://abetterway.speaker.gov/_assets/pdf/ABetterWay-HealthCare-PolicyPaper.pdf

    Healthcare is but one piece of the entire agenda being pushed. This paper is actually an interesting read.
  • Con_Alma
    Other areas addressed are poverty, national security, the economy, tax reform and increasing congressional scrutiny on government agencies and bureaus.
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1804640 wrote:There's already a better solution as part of the House's agenda and it will make it to the floor. The point however was that such things as an Obamacare repeal can and ave in fact made it ll the way to executive office for signature.
    Would you bet your life on Trump signing Obamacare repeal bills?

    I wouldn't. He's too much of a wild card to give that much power to. I'd rather have corrupt and stable HRC than Trump the fucking idiot.
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1804643 wrote:Other areas addressed are poverty, national security, the economy, tax reform and increasing congressional scrutiny on government agencies and bureaus.
    What about reparations for black people?
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1804646 wrote:What about reparations for black people?
    I'm not sure I understand your question.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1804645 wrote:Would you bet your life on Trump signing Obamacare repeal bills?

    ...
    My willingness to bet would depend on the bill put before him.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1804645 wrote:...

    ... He's too much of a wild card to give that much power to. I'd rather have corrupt and stable HRC than Trump the fucking idiot.
    Glad you can have such an opinion. ... just as glad that I don't have to share in it.
  • O-Trap
    QuakerOats;1804632 wrote:We do have a dictator, he even said as much when talking about going around congress. His radical agencies pour out disastrous rules every day, debilitating industry. Our trade imbalance is a disaster. He vetoed the repeal of obamacare (obviously) despite its crushing effects on individuals, businesses and the economy. We have record numbers of people without work who we don't even acknowledge anymore in the calculation. We have no real growth; haven't had any for 8 years. You can sugarcoat it all you want.
    He called himself a dictator? Citation, please.

    His radical agencies were in place before he reached office. His predecessor did start a new, invasive agency, though. The agencies are, and have been, a problem for a long time, but their presence isn't the result of the US being a dictatorship.

    Our trade imbalance has been a problem since long before Obama was voted to a second term.

    He did veto the repeal of the Affordable Care Act. Veto power, however, is within the purview of the president. It doesn't make him a dictator.

    I'm not sugarcoating anything. We're in a terrible state. Probably the worst we've been in during my lifetime.

    However, saying "the US is in bad shape" and "the US has collapsed" are not equitable. To suggest you were even kinda correct would be disingenuous. We do not have a dictator. We have a largely inept president. Our economy hasn't collapsed. It will, eventually, and Obama made it worse, just like the several presidents before him, but it hasn't collapsed yet.

    Your wild Chicken Little-isms before the 2012 election were wrong.

    Perhaps we could learn something from that in this election. "Clinton would be bad for America." Something like that. It would make sense. It has precedent. It allows for some level of subjectivism.

    I would simply reply that I'm not going to throw a baby off a cliff just to keep it from getting eaten by a bear. It defeats the purpose.
    QuakerOats;1804636 wrote:obamacare repeal went to obama's desk earlier this year; he vetoed. Trump would have signed it.


    GET IN THE GAME
    Trump has voiced support for universal healthcare, so he might not have vetoed the repeal, regardless of what he's saying right now in order to get elected.