Trump vs. Hillary (NO OTHER OPTIONS)
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QuakerOatsHardly
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QuakerOats
I don't run and hide like liberal pussies. I will remain and defend liberty and advocate for fiscal sanity.Automatik;1804572 wrote:Well good chance "it's over" then. Where do you plan to relocate?
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O-Trap
First, why are we expecting all these justices to keel over in the next four years? There's nearly a decade gap between Breyer and Clarence Thomas. I can't see this much concern over Thomas or anyone below him.QuakerOats;1804568 wrote:No it isn't. It is decades with a majority of radically liberal supreme court justices who continue to write law from the bench.
That leaves three: RBG, Kennedy, and Breyer. Two of them were already Democratic appointments.
So really, this mostly boils down to a single Justice: Kennedy. Replacing RBG and Breyer with Democratic Party appointees will be like replacing six with half a dozen. It'll end up a wash.
And frankly, Clinton is probably less of a Democrat purist and more of a sheer opportunist than our current president. She's also more disliked, which means she's less likely to be able to talk her way into getting what she wants. I sincerely doubt Congress will play nicely with her even as much as they have with Obama.
And as long as we're talking opportunists, what makes you think Trump is going to nominate some Reagan-esque shining beacon of conservatism to the bench? He's been on the record as saying that he supported a universal healthcare system and that, generally speaking, he was more liberal on social issues.
Look, I dislike Clinton every bit as much as I dislike Trump, but these sorts of predictions are silly.QuakerOats;1804568 wrote:We are at the teetering point with producers and takers; once we go over the edge (and we will with that lying, criminal bitch), then it is over.
For examples, see below:
QuakerOats;1310593 wrote:
No it is not. It is on life support and if obama is re-elected you can pull the plug.isadore;1310570 wrote:despite your raving and whining our economy is in recovery mode thanks to president obama.QuakerOats;1295985 wrote:If obama is re-elected this nation will collapse prior to 2016; you'll have Dictator obama to contend with then. Good luck with that.
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Automatik
QuakerOats;1804584 wrote:Hardly
Who then? ISIS has been around a while. The were gonna "rise" regardless of who was in office.
So basically you're going to just continue to piss and moan on a half-assed sports webforum? Enjoy!
Doom and gloom is his game. He showed a few seconds of happiness during the Cleveland victory, but it was short lived. Back to your normal programming...SKY IS FALLING.O-Trap;1804586 wrote:First, why are we expecting all these justices to keel over in the next four years? There's nearly a decade gap between Breyer and Clarence Thomas. I can't see this much concern over Thomas or anyone below him.
That leaves three: RBG, Kennedy, and Breyer. Two of them were already Democratic appointments.
So really, this mostly boils down to a single Justice: Kennedy. Replacing RBG and Breyer with Democratic Party appointees will be like replacing six with half a dozen. It'll end up a wash.
And frankly, Clinton is probably less of a Democrat purist and more of a sheer opportunist than our current president. She's also more disliked, which means she's less likely to be able to talk her way into getting what she wants. I sincerely doubt Congress will play nicely with her even as much as they have with Obama.
And as long as we're talking opportunists, what makes you think Trump is going to nominate some Reagan-esque shining beacon of conservatism to the bench? He's been on the record as saying that he supported a universal healthcare system and that, generally speaking, he was more liberal on social issues.
Look, I dislike Clinton every bit as much as I dislike Trump, but these sorts of predictions are silly.
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Heretic
No, you just post like an overdramatic little bitch. A REAL IMPROVEMENT!!!!!QuakerOats;1804585 wrote:I don't run and hide like liberal pussies. I will remain and defend liberty and advocate for fiscal sanity.
"this nation will collapse prior to 2016", lolfail. -
O-Trap
Whew. You scared me.Automatik;1804572 wrote:My post was made in jest.
Sadly, I hear those being used sincerely.
The distinction is that I'm not just talking about the inheritance. He also seemingly benefited from the nepotistic decision to name him CEO just three years after graduating from college.bases_loaded;1804573 wrote:The numbers are all over the place but at best he inherited around 40 million from his father and his net worth is 4.1 billion. Now lets compare that to a true idiot. Paris Hilton...60 million inheritance, current net worth 100 million.
And even beyond that, he was able to raise capital on his dad's credit.
He has increased his business to his credit, but let's stop pretending he's a self-made man. He was born with the assets and instruction manual to build what he has built.
You don't win the primaries (or even the general election) with political decisions. You win them with marketing decisions. I doubt anyone would disagree with the notion that Trump was the best marketer in the Republican primaries.QuakerOats;1804578 wrote:Really. How did he win then?
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bases_loaded
IGNORE THE PROBLEM Quaker...MOAR muslim refugees.
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Automatik
Ahh more broad sweeping generalizations. My favorite.
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O-Trap
Welcome to the Libertarian Party, where we generally oppose tax-funded foreign overreach, as well as universal healthcare, both things Trump appears to support.QuakerOats;1804585 wrote:I will remain and defend liberty and advocate for fiscal sanity. -
bases_loaded
Until a viable candidate, by viable I mean one that can win, your vote only ensures more establishment politicians.O-Trap;1804592 wrote:Welcome to the Libertarian Party, where we generally oppose tax-funded foreign overreach, as well as universal healthcare, both things Trump appears to support. -
O-Trap
As does yours.bases_loaded;1804593 wrote:Until a viable candidate, by viable I mean one that can win, your vote only ensures more establishment politicians.
Why do people think that a third-party candidate is going to go from zero to contention in a single election? Things like this will either build or they won't happen at all. -
bases_loaded
Not in this election. This isn't Romney vs Obama, Clinton vs Bush, or Clinton vs Bush.O-Trap;1804594 wrote:As does yours.
Why do people think that a third-party candidate is going to go from zero to contention in a single election? Things like this will either build or they won't happen at all. -
O-Trap
You can shuffle the cards, but they're part of the same deck. Trump may have a few ideological differences from the other recent Republican candidates, but he's hardly anti-establishment.bases_loaded;1804596 wrote:Not in this election. This isn't Romney vs Obama, Clinton vs Bush, or Clinton vs Bush.
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sleeper
He uses leverage and money to get his way in a lot of his deals. It's much easier to negotiate when you are in a position of strength and for Trump he inherited that position of strength in the form of money and family name. None of this is going to help in on the world political stage; other countries don't care about his money.bases_loaded;1804551 wrote:Yet he can buy and sell you a million times. So dumb luck or is he playing the game better than anyone in history?
He's an average negotiator and businessman who started with a lot of money and pretends that he built his business from scratch to billions. He's a fraud to most of the business community and has so many failed business ventures he can't reasonably considered an elite businessman. -
bases_loaded
He turned 40 million into 4 billion.
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Automatik
Well then surely he can defeat ISIS!
Bill Gates is worth 80 billion. I'm writing him in! -
sleeper
Trump can't even get half the Republican party to endorse him and you think he's going to get anything done in Congress? That's even assuming he has a red congress in the first place.QuakerOats;1804581 wrote:I don't know how you could be so wrong. Unlike obama who vetoed the repeal of obamacare last February; Trump will sign it. Unlike obama who will not cut taxes, Trump will sign tax reform. Unlike obama who is crushing industry with marxist federal edicts, Trump will roll them back, and congress will back him all the way. Shall I continue ....
He's a lame duck at best. -
bases_loaded
You are arguing something I am not. I'm arguing the he's a dumb ass point. I provided someone who inherited more(Paris Hilton) than him who we can all agree is a dumbass and showed the difference between what a dumbass is and what someone who seems to be successful has done.Automatik;1804608 wrote:Well then surely he can defeat ISIS!
Bill Gates is worth 80 billion. I'm writing him in! -
sleeper
Right HRC is the reason ISIS exists.QuakerOats;1804582 wrote:So, we should give the reins to the person(s) who gave rise to ISIS.
Fucking brilliant.
Again, Trump's plan to eliminate ISIS is to commit war crimes and kill innocent brown people. Very presidential of him. -
O-Trap
As I said, he turned a $40 million inheritance, a nepotistic CEO position, and the family's credit options into $4 billion.bases_loaded;1804607 wrote:He turned 40 million into 4 billion.
Were you to have had the same, you could have done it, too.
Gates-Buffet '16Automatik;1804608 wrote:Well then surely he can defeat ISIS!
Bill Gates is worth 80 billion. I'm writing him in!
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O-Trap
There's a spectrum for this, though. Moreover, nobody is trying to put Ms. Hilton in the White House ... well, I mean if Billy C. was the first husband, then maybe she'll be in from time to time, but ...bases_loaded;1804611 wrote:You are arguing something I am not. I'm arguing the he's a dumb ass point. I provided someone who inherited more(Paris Hilton) than him who we can all agree is a dumbass and showed the difference between what a dumbass is and what someone who seems to be successful has done. -
sleeper
Scalia as well.First, why are we expecting all these justices to keel over in the next four years? There's nearly a decade gap between Breyer and Clarence Thomas. I can't see this much concern over Thomas or anyone below him.
That leaves three: RBG, Kennedy, and Breyer. Two of them were already Democratic appointments. -
sleeper
That's just plain untrue. He was also promoted to CEO of the business his father built and happens to own a lot of wealth in real estate. Asset prices have exploded to the fed policy of easy money and low interest rates. Must be nice to get credit for monetary expansion while you hold steady on prime real estate your dad owned. LOLbases_loaded;1804607 wrote:He turned 40 million into 4 billion.
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Not to mention, some people don't even put Trump as a billionaire anymore. We won't really have a good net worth estimate until he releases his tax returns which I doubt he will ever do. -
O-Trap
sleeper;1804616 wrote:Scalia as well.
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Spock
knock, knock, all political decisions are made from the point of power related to money. What the hell do you think lobbyist do all day long?sleeper;1804605 wrote:He uses leverage and money to get his way in a lot of his deals. It's much easier to negotiate when you are in a position of strength and for Trump he inherited that position of strength in the form of money and family name. None of this is going to help in on the world political stage; other countries don't care about his money.
He's an average negotiator and businessman who started with a lot of money and pretends that he built his business from scratch to billions. He's a fraud to most of the business community and has so many failed business ventures he can't reasonably considered an elite businessman.