The enslaving of the poor ..... for $15.00

• Bio-Hazzzzard

  

  isadore;1743676 wrote:Gosh a ruddie that is Charles Dickens' description of Scrooge, who thought the poor should just die and decrease the excess population. We have found his self confessed contemporary manifestation.

  Izzy walks into a room
  "He gets mauled by Biohazzzzards pitbull"
  Satire by an author unknown.
• isadore

  bio-hazzzzzard look in the mirror
  
• HitsRus

  

  I am not going to argue that the poor are a product of "bad breeding"...I think a guy on another thread already made the argument that we should ban animals of "bad breeding" (his opinion).
• isadore

  gosh a ruddies that is eugenics. Once popular here in the US and later given full application by the Nazis.
• HitsRus

  

  Why the hell are you advocating it?
• isadore

  you are the one applying the idea of breeding to humans. animals are breed, humans are not.
• Bio-Hazzzzard

  

  isadore;1743686 wrote:bio-hazzzzzard look in the mirror
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  How can you call me greedy, I offered you a Christmas gift didn't I?

• isadore

  Bio-Hazzzzard;1743710 wrote:

  isadore;1743686 wrote:bio-hazzzzzard look in the mirror
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  How can you call me greedy, I offered you a Christmas gift didn't I?

  gosh a ruddies, you whine about those in need receiving your tax dollars, that is scrooge-like.

• Bio-Hazzzzard

  

  isadore;1743711 wrote:gosh a ruddies, you whine about those in need receiving your tax dollars, that is scrooge-like.

  
  No sir, I don't whine about those in true need. I only object of those that take advantage of the system.
• isadore

  Bio-Hazzzzard;1743712 wrote:No sir, I don't whine about those in true need. I only object of those that take advantage of the system.

  gosh a ruddies you begrudge aid to the working poor and the children in single parent households. That is scrooge like. The biggest exploiters of the system are the super rich and corporations but all you can bitch about are those on the lower end of the economic spectrum.
• Belly35

  

  isadore;1743728 wrote:gosh a ruddies you begrudge aid to the working poor and the children in single parent households. That is scrooge like. The biggest exploiters of the system are the super rich and corporations but all you can bitch about are those on the lower end of the economic spectrum.

  as a kid living in the project, single parent, welfare cheese (great stuff) the system provided a relief but with goals of being wealth, responsible citizen and a PROVIDER for my family...career entitlement was not an option. Mom worked , I worked, she saved, planned and searcher for better income means... 5 years we walked away for being poor and being responsible of our future and the future of my family.
  I witness individual that expected, taught and depended on the government to be the PROVIDER. No goals, no ambition, no self worth, trapped into a system that does not incourage achievement but rewards additional failure. I'm thankful for that five years of support yes but would I be as thankful of 25 years of government aid or like you bitter, hater,anger and frustrated.... Finding blame of the rich because my goals of wealth was suppressed by a system of rewarding failure and enslaving people the right to be a PROVIDER.
• HitsRus

  

  isadore;1743708 wrote:you are the one applying the idea of breeding to humans. animals are breed, humans are not.

  You are the one that suggesting that heredity is everything in determining animal behavior even when presented with evidence to the contrary from experts.
• isadore

  HitsRus;1743744 wrote:You are the one that suggesting that heredity is everything in determining animal behavior even when presented with evidence to the contrary from experts.

  gosh a ruddies
  as opposed to you and peta, I separate humans from animals.
• isadore

  Belly35;1743743 wrote:as a kid living in the project, single parent, welfare cheese (great stuff) the system provided a relief but with goals of being wealth, responsible citizen and a PROVIDER for my family...career entitlement was not an option. Mom worked , I worked, she saved, planned and searcher for better income means... 5 years we walked away for being poor and being responsible of our future and the future of my family.
  I witness individual that expected, taught and depended on the government to be the PROVIDER. No goals, no ambition, no self worth, trapped into a system that does not incourage achievement but rewards additional failure. I'm thankful for that five years of support yes but would I be as thankful of 25 years of government aid or like you bitter, hater,anger and frustrated.... Finding blame of the rich because my goals of wealth was suppressed by a system of rewarding failure and enslaving people the right to be a PROVIDER.

  Gosh a ruddies I am not the one who begrudges providing support for those in need. All one has to do is read this thread to see the hatred expressed toward those with the least resource in our society.
  Oh and I am not so self centered and narrow minded as to think my personal experiences are definitive for all others.
• Belly35

  

  isadore;1743762 wrote:Gosh a ruddies I am not the one who begrudges providing support for those in need. All one has to do is read this thread to see the hatred expressed toward those with the least resource in our society

  i was given away to a family member at birth, single parent and poor. My resource was the same as many other poverty families, same intercity public school, same hard project life style, same option of military, college and work...
  You never lived in poverty, poor and hungry, beaten, belittled and suppressed by your own failures.
  I will say it again because I've seen it, live with it and watched childhood friends believe it... Poor families living on the government at some point believe that this is the norm and give up ... Poor people are poor because the want to be poor.
  The become enslaved in a system that reward failure, dependency and laziness
  
  poverty is in America a taught behavior ...
• isadore

  your anecdote is your view of your own experience then you try to apply it to the millions of people living in poverty in America. Gosh a ruddies no.
• BoatShoes

  Bio-Hazzzzard;1743712 wrote:No sir, I don't whine about those in true need. I only object of those that take advantage of the system.

  So let's eliminate the welfare state and offer to hire the unemployed instead.
• BoatShoes

  Belly35;1743836 wrote:i was given away to a family member at birth, single parent and poor. My resource was the same as many other poverty families, same intercity public school, same hard project life style, same option of military, college and work...
  You never lived in poverty, poor and hungry, beaten, belittled and suppressed by your own failures.
  I will say it again because I've seen it, live with it and watched childhood friends believe it... Poor families living on the government at some point believe that this is the norm and give up ... Poor people are poor because the want to be poor.
  The become enslaved in a system that reward failure, dependency and laziness
  
  poverty is in America a taught behavior ...

  
  
  Everybody is just trying to make a living and there is not enough work to go around so human beings find other ways to get by. Thankfully we have the welfare state to prevent the communist revolution. But we could have something better - an employer of last resort.
• BoatShoes

  Bio-Hazzzzard;1743504 wrote:
  Should able bodied persons be required to perform an 8 hour civic duty in order to collect welfare?
  
  ​Why can you not answer this simple question?

  I am easily the most "liberal" person who posts here from time to time and yet here it is evident that we do not disagree that much.
  
  There should be no such thing as "welfare." The federal government should offer to finance the employment of anyone willing and able to work who cannot find private sector work at a wage below the prevailing private sector work.
  
  The administration of this employment (or civic duty as you call it) should be done through local non-profits, charities and churches.
  
  The welfare state is replaced by a marketplace for the public good.
  
  Moreover, once this is in place, the floor of the labor market is no longer zero wage, crime, etc. and we no longer have to worry that attempts to improve the standard of living of the working classes will be met by the arguments we have seen in this thread because they will have become moot.
• BoatShoes

  majorspark;1742977 wrote:I don't have time to review these numbers. However you are giving an example of a job market in a limited geographical area. It is a personal choice to remain in a given job market is it not? US citizens are free to traverse the national job market with few legal hurdles. This guy at the base is not even willing to leave NYC to cut his living expenses dramatically and perform the exact same job for the same money elsewhere.
  
  
  
  Typical. There is only so many slices of the pie to give out. Maybe we need more bakers. So the solution to the problem is to force an employer to provide compensation to an employee greater than his/her value?
  
  You people are all about strict government regulation of economic activity. Should we not have better regulation of the immigrant workforce that would bring in more skilled management type individuals or potential job creators? Why not focus on more developing potential job creators? Any healthy economy should have jobs readily available to those initially entering the work force.

  
  
  Even if we had perfect labor mobility there are not enough jobs for everyone willing and able to work more right now...not to mention all the people who have completely checked out of the labor force.
  
  This is a social fact of capitalist economies. This was just as true in 1837 when we had the closest thing to a libertarian labor market, a gold standard, no central bank, no income tax and only small levies on the consumption of imports...and yet high unemployment persisted for years after the panic of 1837.
  
  Back then the unemployed turned to socialism and karl marx. And so, the welfare state was created to stop the communists.
  
  But, the welfare state divides the working class against itself as this thread indicates.
  
  So what do we do? No welfare state and risk socialist revolution?
  
  Should we have a welfare state and have working people lament when the gubmint improves the living standards of some people at the expense of others?
  
  Neither.
  
  An employer of last resort through non-profits and social enterprise at a wage below the prevailing private sector wage satisfies all of the concerns you raised.
• BoatShoes

  Belly35;1743836 wrote:i was given away to a family member at birth, single parent and poor. My resource was the same as many other poverty families, same intercity public school, same hard project life style, same option of military, college and work...
  You never lived in poverty, poor and hungry, beaten, belittled and suppressed by your own failures.
  I will say it again because I've seen it, live with it and watched childhood friends believe it... Poor families living on the government at some point believe that this is the norm and give up ... Poor people are poor because the want to be poor.
  The become enslaved in a system that reward failure, dependency and laziness
  
  poverty is in America a taught behavior ...

  Btw every other time you have told the story about how you grew up on welfare, etc. You said it was yoir mom who raised you as a single mother. In this version you are saying you were given away to another family member??
• Ytowngirlinfla

  

  BoatShoes;1743846 wrote:Btw every other time you have told the story about how you grew up on welfare, etc. You said it was yoir mom who raised you as a single mother. In this version you are saying you were given away to another family member??

  Belly can't keep his stories straight. I'm almost wondering if he was actually in the military. I'm also wondering what projects Belly grew up in.
• rmolin73

  

  So am I.
• majorspark

  

  BoatShoes;1743845 wrote:An employer of last resort through non-profits and social enterprise at a wage below the prevailing private sector wage satisfies all of the concerns you raised.

  And some conservatives here including myself have agreed with you that something along this line should replace the welfare state.
  
  I would add this kind of reform will not only be demagogued by the two parties it will not be popular with the current members of the welfare state.
• majorspark

  

  BoatShoes;1743846 wrote:Btw every other time you have told the story about how you grew up on welfare, etc. You said it was yoir mom who raised you as a single mother. In this version you are saying you were given away to another family member??

  I would call the female who raised me my mother. His mom may not be the female that gave birth to him. Just sayin.