Hillary Clinton

• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Con_Alma;1794033 wrote:I'd rather not have yet another President that isn't willing to enforce and follow the law. We are a nation of laws. I'd like to see a President who has the character to enforce even the laws they may not agree with.
  
  Is it too much to ask for the Executive Branch to carry out the oath the take?

  Look guys, Trump has said he would freaking kill the kids and wives of terrorists and violent international law if needed to. Would he really, I don't know, but I don't want to know.
  The guy is not trust worthy in the sense I have no idea what he stands for. He says oh, our foreign policy will be consistent and then the next paragraph says others won't know what's coming. Well, which is? Are we consistently inconsistent? That is not a foreign policy. He then says we will be strong with allies, and then said unless they pay their fair share. So, does that mean if they don't, then we won't be allies with them anymore?
  
  In the end, Clinton represents the established foreign policy and domestic policies of a typical President over the last says 30-40 years. The views and policies fall in the general theme within the framework of the international order. Give me that over some guy that has no clue what he is talking about.
  
  I think most of you are just blinded by your hatred or dislike for Clinton.
• sleeper

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1794020 wrote:I have no idea what Donald is or will become. His speeches and foreign policy address has so many contradictions you can drive a truck through them.
  Better her than whatever the hell Trump is.
  I know I am in the minority on that on here.
  Then again, I have been right on the election stuff the past 8 years. Sooo. whatever.

  I'm in the same boat as you I think. I don't like either but Donald is straight scary and I will be voting for Hillary come November.
• superman

  Which Hillary are you talking about? She has been consistently inconsistent for her 30 years in the public eye.
• like_that

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1794020 wrote:I have no idea what Donald is or will become. His speeches and foreign policy address has so many contradictions you can drive a truck through them.
  Better her than whatever the hell Trump is.
  I know I am in the minority on that on here.
  Then again, I have been right on the election stuff the past 8 years. Sooo. whatever.

  You predicted Obama to win the last 2 election?!? WOW!!!! Way to go champ!
• like_that

  

  sleeper;1794046 wrote:I'm in the same boat as you I think. I don't like either but Donald is straight scary and I will be voting for Hillary come November.

  Go vote for Gary Johnson like you did last time.
• sleeper

  

  like_that;1794049 wrote:Go vote for Gary Johnson like you did last time.

  Normally I would but Trump scares me.
• Con_Alma

  ptown_trojans_1;1794045 wrote:Look guys, Trump has said he would freaking kill the kids and wives of terrorists and violent international law if needed to. Would he really, I don't know, but I don't want to know.
  The guy is not trust worthy in the sense I have no idea what he stands for. He says oh, our foreign policy will be consistent and then the next paragraph says others won't know what's coming. Well, which is? Are we consistently inconsistent? That is not a foreign policy. He then says we will be strong with allies, and then said unless they pay their fair share. So, does that mean if they don't, then we won't be allies with them anymore?
  
  In the end, Clinton represents the established foreign policy and domestic policies of a typical President over the last says 30-40 years. The views and policies fall in the general theme within the framework of the international order. Give me that over some guy that has no clue what he is talking about.
  
  I think most of you are just blinded by your hatred or dislike for Clinton.

  
  ???
  
  Why in the world did you quote me with these comments?
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1794051 wrote:???
  
  Why in the world did you quote me with these comments?

  Because no matter the topic we are interested in your comments. Let us know your thoughts.
• like_that

  

  superman;1794047 wrote:Which Hillary are you talking about? She has been consistently inconsistent for her 30 years in the public eye.

  lol this. I like when Ptown (and others who will/might vote for Hillary) justify their vote by saying they know what they are voting for. Just this primary alone the bitch has changed her stances on many issues more than snoop dogg has changed his favorite "teams."
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1794052 wrote:Because no matter the topic we are interested in your comments. Let us know your thoughts.

  I did. Right here.
  

  Con_Alma;1794033 wrote:I'd rather not have yet another President that isn't willing to enforce and follow the law. We are a nation of laws. I'd like to see a President who has the character to enforce even the laws they may not agree with.
  
  Is it too much to ask for the Executive Branch to carry out the oath the take?

• like_that

  

  sleeper;1794050 wrote:Normally I would but Trump scares me.

  I don't think voting for Gary is going to lead to Trump winning. Once Hillary wins and if she is a failure, be prepared to eat the crow. Especially if you try to complain about her as a president.
• Automatik

  

  I don't think many are touting her as the next great POTUS. She'll keep the status quo and people will continue to complain incessantly. Basically, not much will change.
• sleeper

  

  like_that;1794055 wrote:I don't think voting for Gary is going to lead to Trump winning. Once Hillary wins and if she is a failure, be prepared to eat the crow. Especially if you try to complain about her as a president.

  Why would I eat crow on voting for the lesser of two evils? That was my intended purpose in the first place.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1794054 wrote:I did. Right here.

  Thanks!
• like_that

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1794017 wrote:Short version: At least she is the devil I know. I do not buy fully the hate and conspiracy theories that surrounds her, but do acknowledge there is some shady stuff that she has done. But, at least we all know her views on foreign policy. She is more a hawk then Obama. That is evident reading through memoirs, like Gates. Her views on Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Russia have all seemed correct during the early Obama years. Her initial view on Libya was right, but then obviously hasn't been.
  But, I do not subscribe to the witch hunt that many of you on here do on the Benghazi emails, I just don't see the fire. I'm not one for conspiracy theories.
  
  I also cannot understand all the hate and vile thrown at her on here. You can disagree with her, but damn, all the name calling is pretty petty. I don't think I could ever call another politician what you guys on here usually do. That's just me on here I guess.
  All that said, again, it boils down to, she is the devil I know. I would rather trust her than whatever the hell Trump is.

  I have seen a helluva lot worse said about Trump and the rest of the GOP candidates during this whole primary process. It's ok for that shit to be said about them though, because the media lets us know that they are all racist, bigots, and hate women amirite?
  
  I am perfectly ok with the shit that has been said about Hillary. You see worse said about college and pro athletes. Somehow a candidate that will actually affect our lives should be protected from these insults? lol ok. If you want to go all cry4fail on us and get on your holier than thou approach then good for you.
  
  
  Also thank you for proving my point that you have no legitimate defense for all the baggage that Hillary comes with, except for deflecting it on Trump. In another universe I would love to see your defense if Trump wasn't Hillary's opposing candidate. I am sure you would pull something else out of your ass.
  
  

  SportsAndLady;1794024 wrote:Donald could be one of the worst candidates in the history of presidential elections, and you're using that to vote and support Hillary. You acknowledge she's shady and deceitful, but still will be okay with her because you don't know what Donald will be.
  
  It's honestly some of the worst logic I've ever seen on here, and it's coming from a political know-it-all. Irony is ironic.

  This. I disagree with a lot of what he says, but I actually see ptown as one of the smarter posters on here, and I just enjoy busting his balls, but his logic here is nothing but complete gibberish.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Automatik;1794057 wrote:Basically, not much will change.

  Same with Trump.
  
  Everyone always says "trump scares me"
  
  Trump won't do shit in office. He can't. We still have a checks and balance system. He can't just deport millions of Americans in his first day, or hire a company to build a wall on day 1.
  
  I don't think trump will be a shitty president because of his views, I think he'd be a shitty president because I don't think he'll get anything done.
• like_that

  

  Automatik;1794057 wrote:I don't think many are touting her as the next great POTUS. She'll keep the status quo and people will continue to complain incessantly. Basically, not much will change.

  This is why I think Hillary (or whomever wins if Hillary magically loses) will be a one term president.

  sleeper;1794059 wrote:Why would I eat crow on voting for the lesser of two evils? That was my intended purpose in the first place.

  If Hillary wins and you end up trashing her in the middle of her presidency it carries less weight, because you voted for her. Simple as that.
• like_that

  

  SportsAndLady;1794064 wrote:Same with Trump.
  
  Everyone always says "trump scares me"
  
  Trump won't do shit in office. He can't. We still have a checks and balance system. He can't just deport millions of Americans in his first day, or hire a company to build a wall on day 1.
  
  I don't think trump will be a shitty president because of his views, I think he'd be a shitty president because I don't think he'll get anything done.

  Just like Bernie would be a lame duck president. This is why I think a RINO like Kasich would have been our best president out of this crop.
• SportsAndLady

  

  like_that;1794067 wrote:Just like Bernie would be a lame duck president. This is why I think a RINO like Kasich would have been our best president out of this crop.

  Yep. And it's why I voted for Kasich.
  
  I lol'd walking up to the polling center (which fortunately happened to be in the lobby of my building) and saw people talking about how they voted for Cruz not because they like him but because he can win the delegates in the state to avoid trump winning. Really? Cruz sucks. Even worse than trump. Why the fuck would you vote for someone you don't like just so that another guy you don't like will be negatively affected? Makes zero fucking sense. But that's America for you.
• sleeper

  

  like_that;1794066 wrote:This is why I think Hillary (or whomever wins if Hillary magically loses) will be a one term president.
  
  If Hillary wins and you end up trashing her in the middle of her presidency it carries less weight, because you voted for her. Simple as that.

  The intention of the vote is a vote against Trump, not for Hillary. The coin has two sides.
• like_that

  

  sleeper;1794073 wrote:The intention of the vote is a vote against Trump, not for Hillary. The coin has two sides.

  You can do the same with a vote for Gary Johnson. Just like you did against Romney in 2012.
• sleeper

  

  like_that;1794074 wrote:You can do the same with a vote for Gary Johnson. Just like you did against Romney in 2012.

  Right. But a vote for Hillary makes Trump have to get an additional vote to win Virginia. A vote for Johnson doesn't help the goal of Trump losing.
• SportsAndLady

  

  sleeper;1794078 wrote:Right. But a vote for Hillary makes Trump have to get an additional vote to win Virginia. A vote for Johnson doesn't help the goal of Trump losing.

  But you're still voting for an awful candidate.
• FatHobbit

  

  I agree with Ptown and sleeper about Trump. He is an asshole and a bully. (I actually can't wait to see if Hillary gets away with just laughing off the hard questions with Trump and to see if he bullies her in the debates)
  
  That doesn't change all the shady shit Hillary has been involved with. I don't understand how she gets away with it. To pretend like she didn't say Benghazi was about a YouTube video? Wtf EVERYONE watched that right? And she straight up acts like it never happened. I don't understand. I know previous administrations have used personal email servers to get around giving up their emails and I don't think it's the end of the world. But you can't tell me she isn't doing everything possible to drag this out and cooperate as little as possible but just enough to make it look like she is cooperating. "I gave you all the emails I had. Oops they found 100,000 more? Well I didn't know." She's shady AS FUCK and deserves everything that is said about her. I'm still hoping they bring charges before the election.
  
  I can't vote for either of them even as a vote against the other. I won't participate in anything that legitimizes either of them as president.
• rocketalum

  FatHobbit;1794090 wrote:
  I can't vote for either of them even as a vote against the other. I won't participate in anything that legitimizes either of them as president.

  I go back and forth between this sentiment and where Sleeper is with voting for Hillary as a vote against Trump. Last summer I couldn't have imagined voting for Hillary with the only exception being a Cruz, Carson, or Trump nomination...assuming all of those were far fetched. Way to call my bluff R's, well played.