Random political chatter....
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believer
HitsRus;1579109 wrote:Just to illustrate how #### up the left is... General Motors, who should be lauded for hiring a woman as CEO, has come under fire for paying her less guaranteed salary than her male predecessor. Stupid liberals, who complain about corporate execs being paid too much are now bitching that her salary is too low.... Despite the fact that her total compensation could be 58% more than her predecessor if company performance incentives are reached.( negotiated in her contract).
sorry I'm on vacation and posting from my phone and am not tech savy enough to post the link. The article is in today's USA Today.
I saw that too. The hypocrisy of the left, led by the liberal media, never fails to amaze me. -
justincredible
English?ccrunner609;1585441 wrote:Why does the Obama candidate for Surgeon General wanting to doctors to track if their patients have guns in their home? -
Manhattan Buckeye"Stupid liberals, who complain"
Because that is what they do. The vast majority of Americans just want to do their jobs, and spend time with their family, and enjoy life - Democrats and Republicans alike. The hard Left needs to find a cause du jour, whether it is the Sandra Fluke's that think that other people should pay for your contraception, or Jason Collins who is an awful basketball player that cheated on his long-time girlfriend and wants a cookie for being gay. They need a cause because they aren't normal. The problem is the extreme right-wing whackos are called out for it, the extreme left-wing nutjobs are university professors and mainstream-media people. -
BoatShoes
Today I learned that Manhattan Buckeye is a liberal.Manhattan Buckeye;1585501 wrote:"Stupid liberals, who complain"
Because that is what they do. -
Manhattan Buckeye
classic liberal - yes. American socialist liberal - no.BoatShoes;1585548 wrote:Today I learned that Manhattan Buckeye is a liberal. -
Classyposter58
Ha couldn't have said it better. These university professors are so damn liberal it's obnoxious, of course except for the CoB which is full of economists who are as pro small gov't as it getsManhattan Buckeye;1585501 wrote:"Stupid liberals, who complain"
Because that is what they do. The vast majority of Americans just want to do their jobs, and spend time with their family, and enjoy life - Democrats and Republicans alike. The hard Left needs to find a cause du jour, whether it is the Sandra Fluke's that think that other people should pay for your contraception, or Jason Collins who is an awful basketball player that cheated on his long-time girlfriend and wants a cookie for being gay. They need a cause because they aren't normal. The problem is the extreme right-wing whackos are called out for it, the extreme left-wing nutjobs are university professors and mainstream-media people. -
believer
Ahhhh yes - Sarah Palin - the Darling of Ultra-leftist Disdain forewarned us of the Putin-Ukraine crisis back in 2008:
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BGFalcons82
"But but but she's a dingbat and a radical and and and can see Russia from her front door."
The Sarah-Haters Club is going to need a few days to rebut her truthful observations from 2008. It will be funny to see how they twist her words. They are going to have to find another youtube movie to blame. -
ptown_trojans_1
It's easy to point fingers and say, "the administration is getting beat up by Putin and Russia"
But, honestly, how is this different than 2008 with Georgia?
How would W handle this? The same way pretty much.
So, what is the solution then complainers?
Are we willing to use force for Ukraine, or "sanctions" or NATO?
A lot of complaining for people that offer no solutions. -
HitsRus
It would be difficult for anyone to suggest specifically "what to do" not being privy to our capabilities, but what most are alluding to is the perception of weakness that has been generated..... you have to go back to the '70s to find anything similar. -
BoatShoes
The "perception of weakness" is a meme invented by the Right Wing Derposphere. The "Weak Dainty Librulz of the Democrat Party" that project weakness v. "The Macho Conservatives of the GOP" that project strength. Blah blah blah blah blah. Good for campaigning but utter and complete nonsense.HitsRus;1585963 wrote:It would be difficult for anyone to suggest specifically "what to do" not being privy to our capabilities, but what most are alluding to is the perception of weakness that has been generated..... you have to go back to the '70s to find anything similar.
Again, most Americans don't even register this false GOP meme on their radar screens. Even with Obama's declining popularity, you ask an independent about Obama's projection of weakness and it doesn't even register. I'm sure a libertarian could chime in a point out that Obama's reign of drone terror probably doesn't give off the appearance that the Uncle Sam is weak and trembling...more like a murderous lunatic.
These false delusions that are true only in the conservative alternative media universe have no connection to reality and this is why the GOP is on a runaway train to irrelevance. -
BGFalcons82
He IS weak. How did he fare against the Assad/Putin duo in Syria? How many chemical weapons were destroyed again?
How about the Ayatollah rolling him a few months ago? Hell, even dumbass Karzai has no problem spanking Barry.
Putin could care less about "red lines" and all that chit-chat now that he's been promised "flexibility". He openly longs for the days of the Soviet Empire and Barry longs to end global warming. Two peas in a pod if you ask me. -
BGFalcons82
Don't let that runaway train bother you in November. The lovable Barry, who gets high marks for being a fine fellow, isn't on any ballot anywhere. His social justice policies are, however, and they don't poll very well. Oh yeah...Bush43 isn't running either.BoatShoes;1585970 wrote:These false delusions that are true only in the conservative alternative media universe have no connection to reality and this is why the GOP is on a runaway train to irrelevance. -
HitsRus
Has nothing to do with campaigning ( oh wait a minute, to the Dems campaigning is all that's important!)...it's about credibility and how our adversaries percieve our political will.Good for campaigning but utter and complete nonsense. -
ptown_trojans_1
Well, the chemical weapons are getting destroyed. SO, there is that.BGFalcons82;1585980 wrote:He IS weak. How did he fare against the Assad/Putin duo in Syria? How many chemical weapons were destroyed again?
How about the Ayatollah rolling him a few months ago? Hell, even dumbass Karzai has no problem spanking Barry.
Putin could care less about "red lines" and all that chit-chat now that he's been promised "flexibility". He openly longs for the days of the Soviet Empire and Barry longs to end global warming. Two peas in a pod if you ask me.
Iran, hey the Iranians are not producing 20% enrichment, and are not building new centrifuges. So, the program is not expanding.
Karzai, if you follow the news in Afghanistan, April, and the election has been the date for a new Agreement the whole time. An agreement before would be nice, but Karzai is freaking crazy.
On Russia, they have been doing this, invading and poking their neighbors for hundreds or years. So, why all of a sudden, are they supposed to stop this? The U.S. failed to stop them every other time, except in Germany, during the Cold War, but otherwise, it is the same old same old with Russia. This is what they do.
Now, what solutions do you propose, are you just complaining the whole time? -
majorspark
After Syria I must say yes it is quite easy.ptown_trojans_1;1585927 wrote:It's easy to point fingers and say, "the administration is getting beat up by Putin and Russia"
Scale: Georgia is a country of 5 million, Ukraine 50 million. This will affect a lot more people. The potential for things to spiral out of control is much greater.ptown_trojans_1;1585927 wrote:But, honestly, how is this different than 2008 with Georgia?
Russian confidence: Georgia, Syria, Gas, Russian parliament's strong approval... Putin's balls are growing larger by the day.
Crimea: Russia never intended to permanently give up their only warm water port on that strategic peninsula. A lot of Russian blood spilled there. As I type this the Russians are in full control of the Crimea. The Crimea was under Russian military occupation without a shot being fired before Obama ever opened his mouth.
Initially in a similar manner I would say but who cares its all speculation. W has been out of power for 5 yrs Obama can stand on his own now.ptown_trojans_1;1585927 wrote:How would W handle this? The same way pretty much.
The EU, US, and the pro western Ukrainian opposition overplayed its hand. There was a singed deal with Yanukovych conceding to early elections and loss of power but they ran him out on a rail seeing it as weakness right into Russia's hands. They should have left Yanukovych in power and dealt with him until early elections. Now the Ukrainian government the EU, US, helped get into power outside of free elections is pleading for help from the west to stop the Russians from taking by force at the very least the Eastern 1/3 of Ukraine. Crimea is a done deal.ptown_trojans_1;1585927 wrote:So, what is the solution then complainers?
No. The pro western opposition should have known this unless they were lied to (I'm sure the Europussies talked a good game). Now they are tangling with the Russian military.ptown_trojans_1;1585927 wrote:Are we willing to use force for Ukraine, or "sanctions" or NATO?
Split Ukraine. Avoids bloodshed for now. The Russians have Crimea it would mean war now to reverse that. Obama says there will be consequences (obviously not direct military) at this point. Consequence #1 Georgia is brought into NATO posthaste. #2 Western Ukraine to follow. Let Russia have their buffer state in the east.ptown_trojans_1;1585927 wrote:A lot of complaining for people that offer no solutions.
That said I am not personally a fan of the expansion of NATO. But the Russians do fear it for good reason. They will make concessions to avoid it. -
majorspark
Some of them. All of them never will be. Just enough to fool the west and maybe you too.ptown_trojans_1;1586029 wrote:Well, the chemical weapons are getting destroyed. SO, there is that.
I agree on Karzai. If we left Afghanistan today Karzai does not last 6 months. Call him on it and leave if he balks let him and his ilk know there well be no rooftop helicopter rescues.ptown_trojans_1;1586029 wrote:Karzai, if you follow the news in Afghanistan, April, and the election has been the date for a new Agreement the whole time. An agreement before would be nice, but Karzai is freaking crazy. -
BGFalcons82
According to a US Diplomat, only 4% was destroyed by the 12-31-13 "deadline"- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/05/syria-chemical-weapons-deadline_n_4729325.html If you believe 4% is significant, then I suppose you are right. Some of these weapons couldn't possibly be headed to Putin, could they? Nahhh....he promised.ptown_trojans_1;1586029 wrote:Well, the chemical weapons are getting destroyed. SO, there is that.
Iran, hey the Iranians are not producing 20% enrichment, and are not building new centrifuges. So, the program is not expanding.
Karzai, if you follow the news in Afghanistan, April, and the election has been the date for a new Agreement the whole time. An agreement before would be nice, but Karzai is freaking crazy.
On Russia, they have been doing this, invading and poking their neighbors for hundreds or years. So, why all of a sudden, are they supposed to stop this? The U.S. failed to stop them every other time, except in Germany, during the Cold War, but otherwise, it is the same old same old with Russia. This is what they do.
Now, what solutions do you propose, are you just complaining the whole time?
The fact the Iranians aren't enriching any more...nor any less...is stopping them? Do you actually believe the Iranians don't want a nucular (Bush-speak) weapon? Really?
You remember Palin and Romney both predicted Russia wouldn't be deterred by a complacent Obama? Did you mock these two back then or did you say they were spot on? -
BGFalcons82
One more example of how the world respects Barry - http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/02/north-korea-fires-2-short-range-missiles-report-says/
Yeah, yeah, yeah...it's just North Korea lobbing missiles into the ocean. They couldn't spell cat if you spot them the c and the a. And yet, they fear no retribution. Wonder what South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and the Phillipinos think about having Barry's defense shield these days. -
believer
Gotta give Ptown a break though. He's way too close to the Kool Aid.ccrunner609;1586364 wrote:Ptown votes for Obama on his Foreign policy (at the time he had no experience), he spends 6 years butchering the US around the world and then defends him to the day. -
BoatShoes
The only people who look like idiots are the Conservatives circle-jerking over an ex-KGB communist to the point of almost rooting for the guy because they hate Barack Obama so much claiming he's sooooo0ooooooo weeeeeaaakkkkkk and comparing him to Neville Chamberlain when they said nothing of the sort when that same KGB communist invaded Georgia when the "real men" were in charge.ccrunner609;1586733 wrote:you forgot to mention that the GOP isnt making the calls on this one and Putin is snubbing his nose at us. We look like idiots and our president is leading the way
Just take a look at President Bush's remarks on Georgia after tanks had already steamrolled through:
And here is Charles Krauthammer's column in response. All Euro Bashing and not a word about President Bush's "weakness" despite saying similar things to Obama in the face of Tanks actually steamrolling through a country.As Russian troops entered neighboring territory the president of the United States, in an address to the nation, expressed his deep concern at reports that Russian troops have “invaded a sovereign neighboring state.” “Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century,” the President said.Referring to how Russia’s actions have raised serious questions about its intentions in the region, the President said, “These actions have substantially damaged Russia’s standing in the world. And these actions jeopardize Russians’ relations — Russia’s relations with the United States and Europe. It is time for Russia to be true to its word and to act to end this crisis.”
NBC News reported that, while waiting for the results of a European Union initiative, the administration and its allies are debating ways to punish Russia for its invasion, including expelling Moscow from an exclusive club of wealthy nations and canceling an upcoming joint NATO-Russia military exercise and that the President “and his top aides are engaged in urgent consultations with European and other nations over how best to demonstrate their fierce condemnation of the Russian operation.”
NBC also reported that “In the medium term, the United States and its partners in the Group of Seven, or G-7, the club of the world’s leading industrialized nations that also includes Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan, are debating whether to effectively disband what is known as the G-8, which incorporates Russia, by throwing Moscow out, the officials said.” Officials also said, “Russia’s pending membership in the World Trade Organization might also be affected.” However, “[t]he officials spoke on condition of anonymity because no decisions have yet been made and consultations with other countries involved were still under way.”
Meanwhile, as fellow blogger Janet Shan points out, Conservative pundits are wasting no time in slamming President Obama’s handling of the Ukraine crisis.
They are bashing the president for being “all talk and no action,” and are ridiculing his statements of “deep concern” and of “unacceptability” of the Russian actions that “jeopardize” Russians’ relations with the United States and Europe.
On Special Report, Charles Krauthammer explains that when the president says that the United States will stand with the international community he really means that “we are going to negotiate with a dozen other countries who will water down the statement” and that when the president affirms that there will be costs: “meaning in making a statement not even imposing a cost, but in making a statement about imposing a cost — for any military intervention” — whatever that means.
“What [the president is] saying is we’re not really going to do anything and we’re telling the world,” Krauthammer says.
At this point I have to disclose that the president making the remarks, above, about the Russian invasion is not President Obama but rather President Bush in August 2008, during the Russian invasion of Georgia.
However, Krauthammer’s remarks are indeed Krauthammer’s and are directed not at his ideological idol, President Bush, but rather at his favorite punching bag, President Obama, and the comments are in reference to the present Russian military intervention in Ukraine.
Read more at http://themoderatevoice.com/192167/ukraine-what-a-difference-partisanship-makes/#p6o4BXmJVBxH9kZq.99
http://townhall.com/columnists/charleskrauthammer/2008/08/22/the_understated_georgian_crisis/page/2
Again, the theme is the same. The conservative hyper-criticism of Obummer on this issue, like everything else, is reflective of pure partisanship. It would be funny if it weren't so sad that they didn't practically cheer for an actual communist bully because they have invented the Obama communist bogeyman.
Here's an idea, neither President Obama or President Bush made "America look like idiots" when Vladimir Putin decided to do stupid shit. -
believer
It reminds me of the hyper-criticism eeeeevil "W" received from partisan hacks on the left. But now that the shoe is on the other foot, the lefties are hyper-sensitive.BoatShoes;1586766 wrote:The conservative hyper-criticism of Obummer on this issue, like everything else, is reflective of pure partisanship.
As has been the on-going case with the left, you keep going back to your failed play book whenever your heroes aren't faring so well. If you can't play the race card, for example, try blame Bush. -
BoatShoesbeliever;1586777 wrote:It reminds me of the hyper-criticism eeeeevil "W" received from partisan hacks on the left. But now that the shoe is on the other foot, the lefties are hyper-sensitive.
As has been the on-going case with the left, you keep going back to your failed play book whenever your heroes aren't faring so well. If you can't play the race card, for example, try blame Bush.
ITT this thread people who don't know the difference between "blaming Bush" and laughing at the utter incoherence of the modern Conservative movement. As I've mentioned before, I was much more conservative in my youth and voted for W in 2004. While liberals were driven to insanity by the fake case for a war in the wrong country and his having the 2000 election handed to him by the conservatives on the supreme court...the unrepentant rage by Conservatives over everything Obummer does dwarfs Bush-Derangement syndrome by comparison.
In actuality, President Bush handled the Georgia situation as best as is to be expected and so far Obama is handling this Ukraine situation as best as is to be expected. -
believer
There is no "utter incoherence of the modern Conservative movement". The conservative movement - particularly that vocalized by the Tea Party movement - is quite clear. I will, however, admit that within the conservative movement there is a definite battle raging for control of the movement between the establishment RINO's and tea party leadership. That's sort of funny at times.BoatShoes;1586823 wrote:ITT this thread people who don't know the difference between "blaming Bush" and laughing at the utter incoherence of the modern Conservative movement.
Eh...I'd say it's a draw.BoatShoes;1586823 wrote:...the unrepentant rage by Conservatives over everything Obummer does dwarfs Bush-Derangement syndrome by comparison.
Perhaps but I like McFarland's ideas on how it really should be handled: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/03/03/how-obama-could-stop-putin-ukraine-power-grab-without-firing-shot/BoatShoes;1586823 wrote:In actuality, President Bush handled the Georgia situation as best as is to be expected and so far Obama is handling this Ukraine situation as best as is to be expected.