obamaKare: the destruction begins

• QuakerOats

  http://dailysignal.com/2014/06/24/obamacare-exchanges-disappointing/
  
  
  
  
  Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.
• QuakerOats

  http://hotair.com/archives/2014/07/07/wh-trying-to-pre-empt-sticker-shock-on-september-premium-increases/
  
  
  
  The skyrocketing premiums will be shooting up much further beginning this fall. And, millions more will not have insurance at the end of the day going forward. This is the largest legislative and administrative DISASTER in the history of the nation. And it WILL ruin the greatest health CARE in the world.
  
  obama / pelosi/ reid ought to be in jail.
• QuakerOats

  http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-misses-its-target-uninsured-half_796636.html
  
  
  
  The colossal mistake that keeps on disappointing.
  
  With a republican takeover of the senate, the repeal legislation can be on obama's desk in January. Maybe even a veto override could be mustered next year.
• gut

  ccrunner609;1636243 wrote:I cant wait till Harry reid loses all his power. He is the worst

  Its not overly shocking that NV continues to re-elect him. What's astounding is the rest of the clowns in the Senate appointed him SML.
  
  Main difference between the Repubs and the Dems is the nutjobs on the left actually inexplicably lead that party - Reid, Pelosi, Wasserman-Shultz, Feinstein and Elizabeth Warren (who looks sane and competent next to the other 4). OK, the Repubs do have Ted Cruz.
• BoatShoes

  I'm sure the beginning of this thread is fun to read.
  
  
• gut

  BoatShoes;1636601 wrote:I'm sure the beginning of this thread is fun to read.

  Hell of a lot of money for a 4pt drop....and half of that is probably people going on medicaid who weren't aware they qualified. Hell of a lot of money to advertised medicaid.
  
  A whole point lower than it was pre-recession. I'd rank this close to an abject failure as far as providing insurance for the uninsured.
• BoatShoes

  gut;1636647 wrote:Hell of a lot of money for a 4pt drop....and half of that is probably people going on medicaid who weren't aware they qualified. Hell of a lot of money to advertised medicaid.
  
  A whole point lower than it was pre-recession. I'd rank this close to an abject failure as far as providing insurance for the uninsured.

  Sigh. This is only the beginning. Everything you people said about the impending disaster of Obummercare failed to materialize. It was suppose to collapse by June when no young people signed up or nobody would pay and blah blah blah. The abject failure is becoming more and more of a success every month.
  
  What is so silly about all of this deranged opposition in any event is that this is a Conservative plan. It's sad to think that Conservatives once had good ideas. Now they just prophesize doomsdays that never materialize.
• QuakerOats

  You are into the chardonnay early again. There has been a net gain of 2 million people being insured. Effectively the entire net gain is medicaid. The rest have been FORCED BY BIG GOVERNMENT into buying a terrible product at 3-4 times their previous premium. This is a complete disaster and continues to destroy not only the insurance market but health CARE as well. The only reason it has been bumped off the front pages is because of the following:
  
  Massive numbers of illegal aliens pouring across what used to be the nation's southern border
  
  IRS-gate
  
  Traitor-for-terrorists
  
  Iraq disaster
  
  Benghazi
  
  Fast-n-Furious
  
  NSA-gate
  
  And on and on and on ......
  
  You obviously do not speak with business owners and insurance agents; you haven't a clue, or simply continue to troll for the most disastrous administration in the history of the nation.
• BoatShoes

  ccrunner609;1636666 wrote:do the math on this.....obamacare is going to cost over $1.5 trillion to help insure 4 million people??????? Half of them are getting medicaid so its really 2 million people. That is $750,000 dollars for each person getting insurance. That is about $25,000 per household in this country. Why dont we just give the money to people and let them buy their own insurance on the free market with government getting in the way.

  Your math is off but then again you were the one who presciently predicted that Romney would easily win, that Obama is going to go for Secretary General of the U.N. and that Obamacare would collapse by June. Among several other.
  
  You are always wrong about everything
  
  And yet you never have any shame or reflect on why you are always wrong.
  
  You also fail to not that the reason we have this conservative plan is to correct for market failure. Cancer Survivors could not purchase health insurance in the free market prior to Obamacare. The primary purpose of Obamacare is to make sure that Cancer survivors, and other people who are uninsurable when they have their health rated on their on, people with "pre-existing conditions" could purchase health insurance. No amount of government getting out of the way was going to get private, for-profit insurance companies to insure the health of people who had gotten sick like that. It was a catastrophic market failure and it resulted in harm to millions of human beings that have dignity. To make sure those people could get health insurance we had to have community rating and a way of cajoling free riders into the insurance pool.
  
  Hence, conservatives came up with the dreaded Obamacare and it was a good, conservative approach to this market failure.
  
  Hope this helps.
• QuakerOats

  We have the greatest cancer care in the world; why? Because insurers, employers, and individuals spend hundreds of millions of dollars on cancer care every year. As a result we have made tremendous progress in lengthening the lives of cancer patients, and quality of life. So while BS wants you to think that obamaKare has made a positive impact in cancer care; the opposite is true. He tries to twist the pre-existing condition issue, and lead people to believe that cancer patients are thrown into the streets, until the arrival of obamaKare ---- incredibly disingenuous, again.
  
  If obama/pelosi/reid wanted to address the rare pre-existing conditions issue, they could have; instead they began the ruination of what was the greatest health care system the world has ever known. OWN IT !
• gut

  BoatShoes;1636658 wrote:Sigh. This is only the beginning. Everything you people said about the impending disaster of Obummercare failed to materialize.

  Your awfully quick to claim victory again, By no objective measure has it been a success. They missed their initial goal by a good margin. Costs are higher. People have lost good coverage and been forced into less customized options. And we won't know the demographic mix until the new annual premiums come out (and I don't know about rumors that the govt is going to reimburse insurers to keep premiums lower).
  
  And, of course, Obama delayed the employer mandate a year. Wait until that hits and it will be all the turmoil all over again, times 10. It's extremely obvious why Obama put that off until after the mid-term elections. If it was half the winner you claimed it to be they'd be falling over themselves to get more on board and declare victory.
  
  Most of the gains are medicaid, so you've put ALL these people thru the ringer, forced higher costs on them....all just to reach a few million people who didn't know they were eligible for medicaid.
• believer

  

  gut;1636689 wrote:Most of the gains are medicaid, so you've put ALL these people thru the ringer, forced higher costs on them....all just to reach a few million people who didn't know they were eligible for medicaid.

  this
  
  And let's not forget the bald faced lie Barry told us over and over again that the so-called "Affordable" Care Act would save us an average of $2500 a year. In reality (and even the staunchest left-winger knew this was inevitable) premiums increased.
  
  As you noted, once the employer mandate finally kicks in, all hell will break loose. By then, of course, the mid-term elections will be behind us and Barry will be in his final year (thank God) as a lame duck POTUS.
  
  But his ACA "legacy" will haunt us all for years to come.
• sleeper

  

  ccrunner609;1636738 wrote:when the pubs control the house, senate and white house.......it will be repealed on day 1.

  There's no chance it will be repealed as long as Obama is in office. If the pubs get all 3 branches, I could see it happening.
• QuakerOats

  Perhaps the death spiral has begun -----
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/22/obamacare-in-death-spiral-after-federal-appeals-court-strikes-down-some/?intcmp=obnetwork
  
  
  Tuesday, a federal appeals court slapped down the Obama administration in a 2-1 ruling that could kill the president’s signature health care law. If upheld by the Supreme Court, the ruling would force Congress back to the drawing boards to design a health law that is actually affordable, rather than bearing the false title “Affordable Care Act.”
  The ruling in Halbig v. Burwell bars the federal government from handing out taxpayer-funded subsidies to people who buy ObamaCare plans in nearly two-thirds of the states. Those subsidies took the sting out of being forced to buy pricey ObamaCare plans. If the ruling sticks, buyers in those states will have to pay full price, on average a whopping four times the subsidized price they paid this year.
  
  
  
  
  Quadrupling the price would likely trigger a mass exodus out of the plans,causing what the insurance industry calls a “death spiral.”
  The ruling by the influential appeals court for the District of Columbia also chastised the Obama administration for rewriting the law to suit its own ends.
  
  
  
  No wonder. ObamaCare was crammed through the Senate on Christmas Eve, 2009, before lawmakers had read it, much less debated it.
  What is clear is that without subsidies, the Affordable Care Act is just the opposite -- hugely unaffordable. According to the Department of Health and Human Services, 87% of people who signed up for ObamaCarefor 2014 qualified for subsidies, and on average they paid 76% less than the true cost of their plan. $82 a month instead of $376 a month. That $82 price tag didn’t mean ObamaCare had succeeded in lowering health insurance costs. It just shifted the costfrom premium payers to taxpayers.
  The Court ruled "with reluctance," Judge Griffith said "At least until states that wish to can set up Exchanges, our ruling will likely have significant consequences both for the millions of individuals receiving tax credits through federal Exchanges and for health insurance markets more broadly. But, high as those stakes are, the principle of legislative supremacy that guides us is higher still."
  The judges made it clear that either Congress must act to change the law (highly unlikely) or states must establish their own exchanges (also unlikely), or ObamaCare will collapse due to its unaffordable premiums.
• gut

  Don't get excited. This goes to the district court (of DC!), where it will be overturned. Then it comes down to whether the SC hears the case. I suspect they will ignore it as it creates a bit of a pickle, for Chief Justice Roberts among others.
  
  If it does go to the SC, Roberts will have to pull a Polish 180 (I don't know how else to put it - the other ruling was wrong, and there's no way he can be remotely consistent in upholding this verdict).
  
  So my money is the district court overturns it, and the SC refuses to hear the case (to the chagrin of many Repubs and Libertarians). What I've read says it should be upheld - but then the law crumbles and the previous ruling would be for naught.
  
  The case is pretty rock-solid. Thus in order to avoid some potentially nasty precedents and preserve the previous ruling, the only out is not to hear the case. This dies in district court.
• believer

  

  gut;1640992 wrote:Don't get excited. This goes to the district court (of DC!), where it will be overturned. Then it comes down to whether the SC hears the case. I suspect they will ignore it as it creates a bit of a pickle, for Chief Justice Roberts among others.
  
  If it does go to the SC, Roberts will have to pull a Polish 180 (I don't know how else to put it - the other ruling was wrong, and there's no way he can be remotely consistent in upholding this verdict).
  
  So my money is the district court overturns it, and the SC refuses to hear the case (to the chagrin of many Repubs and Libertarians). What I've read says it should be upheld - but then the law crumbles and the previous ruling would be for naught.
  
  The case is pretty rock-solid. Thus in order to avoid some potentially nasty precedents and preserve the previous ruling, the only out is not to hear the case. This dies in district court.

  gotta love "The System"
  
  So much for justice, eh?
• believer

  

  ccrunner609;1641001 wrote:I think you "hope" it wont go to the SC but it more than likely that it will.

  I think Gut is right. Roberts won't want to "save face" and he'll have enough support with other members of the SC to successfully backburner the district court's decision.
  
  Fact is the so-called "Affordable" Care Act is here to stay. The best we can hope for is that eventually cooler heads will prevail and the law will simply die on the vine.
• QuakerOats

  The obamaKare destructive forces roll on ........
  
  
  http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-care/if-you-like-your-obamacare-plan-it-ll-cost-you-20140805
  
  http://eagnews.org/thanks-obamacare-ohios-largest-school-districts-expect-employee-benefits-to-grow-29-over-next-five-years/
  
  http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/florida-obamacare-premiums-jump-132_802050.html
  
  
  
  
  
  Absolutely incredible ..................the largest legislative/administrative disaster ever heaped upon The People.
• QuakerOats

  http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/04/doctors-begin-to-refuse-obamacare-patients/
  
  
  
  The beat goes on ................ diminished care is next ......
• QuakerOats

  Feds: Cost of Healthcare.gov Website Estimated $1.7 Billion...
  
  
  So BIG government spends 100 times what it should have on the website for a shitty product, and somehow we are supposed to believe that same BIG government can involve itself in The People's health care and the result is going to be good --------------- INSANITY. Which is why the majority of The People still want this disaster - obamaKare - repealed.
• gut

  Only in the federal govt could you spend $1.7B on a website and no one get fired. And millions of clowns think MORE govt is the solution to this country's problems.
• BoatShoes

  gut;1647771 wrote:Only in the federal govt could you spend $1.7B on a website and no one get fired. And millions of clowns think MORE govt is the solution to this country's problems.

  The inefficient, private, for-profit business that was subcontracted to build healthcare.gov and blew it, CGI Federal, was fired.
  
  Guess they should have hired public employees.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "The inefficient, private, for-profit business that was subcontracted to build healthcare.gov and blew it, CGI Federal, was fired."
  
  You do realize that this business was handpicked due to their relationship with the government. A business doesn't have to be "public" to be publicly-attached.
  
  Then again you are right, we'll all be government employees! Free stuff for everybody!
• sleeper

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1647979 wrote:"The inefficient, private, for-profit business that was subcontracted to build healthcare.gov and blew it, CGI Federal, was fired."
  
  You do realize that this business was handpicked due to their relationship with the government. A business doesn't have to be "public" to be publicly-attached.
  
  Then again you are right, we'll all be government employees! Free stuff for everybody!

  He doesn't have a clue on government contracts work. Likely what happened is someone in the government has a kid who goes to school with someone from CGI federal so they get awarded the work. Then, the government does a shit job managing the contract and since they have no clue how to do anything productive they let a greedy private contractor walk all over them. Government people are inherently terrible at their jobs and are more concerned having others do the work for them that they'll do whatever it takes to get the job done, including massive cost overruns.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  You left out the best part:
  
  "Government people are inherently terrible at their jobs"
  
  They can't be fired!