obamaKare: the destruction begins

• believer

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1585172 wrote:Health insurance, not healthcare, is the target of the reform. The insurance industry has gotten out of control in the past 20 years and I am thankful that it is finally being addressed. Obamacare will not be perfect. But I appreciate what it is attempting to do. Any large reform such as this needs time in order to be judged in its entirety. I believe that in coming years, it will be judged a success. It is no the dismantling of healthcare system, but rather a resetting of the insurance industry - sorely needed. Millions and millions of people have not "lost" their insurance due to it. Policies that were bare-bones catastrophic coverage were eliminated and good. They inhibit the ability of the power of the population's spend to benefit those who need it most.

  wrong in so many ways.
• believer

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1585172 wrote:Health insurance, not healthcare, is the target of the reform. The insurance industry has gotten out of control in the past 20 years and I am thankful that it is finally being addressed. Obamacare will not be perfect. But I appreciate what it is attempting to do. Any large reform such as this needs time in order to be judged in its entirety. I believe that in coming years, it will be judged a success. It is no the dismantling of healthcare system, but rather a resetting of the insurance industry - sorely needed. Millions and millions of people have not "lost" their insurance due to it. Policies that were bare-bones catastrophic coverage were eliminated and good. They inhibit the ability of the power of the population's spend to benefit those who need it most.

  I'm really hopeful Obamacare will come up with a taxpayer funded rehab program to cure Barry flavored Kool Aid addiction.
  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1585503 wrote:I agree with you, in America we have the best healthcare in the world, we don't need to change a system that wasn't broken. It was only considered "broken" because it was politically convenient.

  Correct. There's certainly tremendous political power in controlling the health care of the sheeple.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1585503 wrote:I'm talking about socialized medicine in Europe...did you even read my post? I live in London and healthcare here is terrible.

  I missed the point about you living in England. I thought you were talking about the US. Disregard my point about you experience then.
• jmog

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1585378 wrote:I don't know anything about you or your current plan. But it isn't representative of anyone I know. I can pick up the phone and schedule and exam with my excellent Cleveland Clinic doctor and generally get in within a week. If it is an emergency, he will see me that very day. My coverage is middle of the road Anthem.
  
  I wish you well on you adoption. But I don't think the hurdles you're having there have a thing to do with Obamacare.

  Did you not read his post? He is in Europe...he is stating what the ACA and the US is heading towards.
  
  Of course you can get an appointment within a week, socialized medicine hasn't taken over quite yet.
• HitsRus

  

  Today was my last visit with my long time primary care physician...a doctor who served our small town for 50 years. Well past retirement age, he continued his medical practice, but now is closing his office rather than spend (at his age)the 50-60K in computer upgrades and software that is mandated by UCA(Unaffordable Care Act). 6 people will lose their jobs.
  
  A little less directly related, but due to "changes" in the industry....my cardiologist has moved 40 miles away. So now I am faced with traveling more and /or finding 2 new doctors.
• believer

  

  HitsRus;1585609 wrote:Today was my last visit with my long time primary care physician...a doctor who served our small town for 50 years. Well past retirement age, he continued his medical practice, but now is closing his office rather than spend (at his age)the 50-60K in computer upgrades and software that is mandated by UCA(Unaffordable Care Act). 6 people will lose their jobs.
  
  A little less directly related, but due to "changes" in the industry....my cardiologist has moved 40 miles away. So now I am faced with traveling more and /or finding 2 new doctors.

  See...We told you Obamacare would make everything better.
• HitsRus

  

  ...yep....and I can keep my docors too!
• believer

  

  
• BGFalcons82

  

  believer;1585909 wrote:

  So, that equates to 6,286,357 liars, according to the senator from Nevada.
• QuakerOats

  And the regime claims 4 million have signed up (another lie, but let's assume it is true), the net result is 2 million MORE are uninsured. This is the exact opposite of the laws intent. Too funny...... you can't make this stuff up.
• QuakerOats

  POLL: 33% Say They've Been Personally Hurt By Obamacare...
  
  Oregon Exchange Accidentally Enrolls Illegal Aliens...
  
  
  
  Every day is a new adventure on The Disaster Tour
• QuakerOats

  "The Obama administration is set to announce another major delay in implementing the Affordable Care Act, easing election pressure on Democrats.
  As early as this week, according to two sources, the White House will announce a new directive allowing insurers to continue offering health plans that do not meet ObamaCare’s minimum coverage requirements.
  
  Prolonging the “keep your plan” fix will avoid another wave of health policy cancellations otherwise expected this fall.The cancellations would have created a firestorm for Democratic candidates in the last, crucial weeks before Election Day.
  The White House is intent on protecting its allies in the Senate, where Democrats face a battle to keep control of the chamber.
  “I don’t see how they could have a bunch of these announcements going out in September,” one consultant in the health insurance industry said. “Not when they’re trying to defend the Senate and keep their losses at a minimum in the House. This is not something to have out there right before the election.”
  Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/199784-new-obamacare-delay-to-help-midterm-dems#ixzz2v0G7nXCi
  
  
  
  Confirming yet again, that the Unaffordable Care Act has everything to do political power, and noting to do with health care or insurance. Utterly disgraceful.
• WebFire

  
• QuakerOats

  Union: Health law will slash wages by up to $5 an hour...
  
  
  
  
  
  Change we can believe in ...
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140310/LIFESTYLE03/303100100/Dexter-cancer-patient-save-money-health-plan-called-unaffordable-ad
  
  "Cancer patient who called health care 'unaffordable' will save more than $1K"
• Manhattan Buckeye

  I will add one thing to this conversation - socialized medicine and healthcare is awful. I have never struggled with one giant disaster of the NHS, it takes months to get anything accomplished.
  
  And Americans voted for this?
• like_that

  

  Anyone else think it's pathetic how Obama was on "between two ferns" to promote healthcare.gov?
• BoatShoes

  Manhattan Buckeye;1588837 wrote:I will add one thing to this conversation - socialized medicine and healthcare is awful. I have never struggled with one giant disaster of the NHS, it takes months to get anything accomplished.
  
  And Americans voted for this?

  Affordable Care Act makes American Healthcare delivery nothing like the NHS. Hope this helps.
  
  NHS is like the Veterans Administration and military vets love dat shiz.
  
  In Murica we provide socialism-A for Vets in the form of the VA and Socialism-B for Old People in the form of Medicare and Socialism-C for teh so-called moochers and have for decades and decades and decades.
  
  The majority of Obummercare is socialist in exactly 0 ways save the Medicaid expansion. It nationalized regulatory, pragmatic capitalism out of the 50 state by state regulatory regimes that caused so much inefficiency. Federalism as opposed to Anti-Federalism, yes. Socialism, no.
• BoatShoes

  like_that;1588846 wrote:Anyone else think it's pathetic how Obama was on "between two ferns" to promote healthcare.gov?

  Thought that it was funny and that the Hangover 3 joke was pretty good and that it would be entertaining to see the ensuing right winger discontent and you're coming through with flying colors. : thumbup:
• like_that

  

  BoatShoes;1588851 wrote:Thought that it was funny and that the Hangover 3 joke was pretty good and that it would be entertaining to see the ensuing right winger discontent and you're coming through with flying colors. : thumbup:

  Lol 100% wrong on me, nice try though. I just think it's pathetic he has to make these cameo appearances to urge people to sign up for his great healthcare. LOL
• BoatShoes

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1588835 wrote:http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140310/LIFESTYLE03/303100100/Dexter-cancer-patient-save-money-health-plan-called-unaffordable-ad
  
  "Cancer patient who called health care 'unaffordable' will save more than $1K"

  Her husband ran a local county GOP too. Failure to take the world as it is as opposed to how they want it to be. They will just repeat the lies over and over that they want to hear and they will continue to be stunned and amazed when otherwise mediocre President's like Barack Obama win 300 electoral votes.
  
  Did you see what they lady said when the Paper called her?
  

  According to The Detroit News, Boonstra said it “can’t be true” that her new coverage is cheaper than her old.
  
  “I personally do not believe that,” Boonstra said.

  Evidence cannot shake the faith of a true believer. That is the modern conservative movement in a nut shell. They anoint their false prophets in their right wing media sphere outside of "the mainstream liberal media", send their ideological conservative warriors into the public political forum and lose their minds when they are not pure, (see the plummeting popularity of Chris Christie and Marco Rubio) and crusade against their fellow Americans who simply aren't hardcore conservatives as if they are enemies of the state.
  
  From the Paranoid Style in American Politics:
  

  American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years, we have seen angry minds at work, mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated, in the Goldwater movement, how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But, behind this, I believe, there is a style of mind that is far from new, and that is not necessarily right-wing. I call it the paranoid style, simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind

• BoatShoes

  like_that;1588855 wrote:Lol 100% wrong on me, nice try though. I just think it's pathetic he has to make these cameo appearances to urge people to sign up for his great healthcare. LOL

  Because if it was Soooooo Great why would it even need to be advertised Mirite!?!
• like_that

  

  BoatShoes;1588862 wrote:Because if it was Soooooo Great why would it even need to be advertised Mirite!?!

  Not to mention they keep pushing the date back amongst many other flaws. Keep drinking that Obama jizz though.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  BoatShoes;1588847 wrote:Affordable Care Act makes American Healthcare delivery nothing like the NHS. Hope this helps.
  
  NHS is like the Veterans Administration and military vets love dat shiz.
  
  In Murica we provide socialism-A for Vets in the form of the VA and Socialism-B for Old People in the form of Medicare and Socialism-C for teh so-called moochers and have for decades and decades and decades.
  
  The majority of Obummercare is socialist in exactly 0 ways save the Medicaid expansion. It nationalized regulatory, pragmatic capitalism out of the 50 state by state regulatory regimes that caused so much inefficiency. Federalism as opposed to Anti-Federalism, yes. Socialism, no.

  Nobody likes the NHS, it is that awful. A passport does one well to see how socialism works, or doesn't work
• BoatShoes

  like_that;1588863 wrote:Not to mention they keep pushing the date back amongst many other flaws. Keep drinking that Obama jizz though.

  If not thinking that Obummercare is going to "cause destruction" as this thread implies and that it's probably entrenched permanently and will have some winners and some losers but looks like it is having a positive effect on cost control and an increase in the amount of insured people as a moderately conservative approach to healthcare reform that Mitt Romney would've passed in 2008 if he could ever win anything then count me in as a jizz guzzler.
  
  The sooner you folks come to terms with reality the sooner you'll be able to turn things around because otherwise this is how the Republican Party ends, not with a bang but with a whimper.
  
  Obamacare won't be popular enough by October and the Democrats will lose the Senate and we'll have two long, horrible years of Republicans trashing the President and trying to repeal Obamacare as it becomes more and more popular and Hillary and the Democrats are going in dry without lube in 2016.
  
  And, it will be the Republican Party's own fault just like the made the bed of their own destruction that got Obama elected and Obamacare passed in the first place.