obamaKare: the destruction begins

• HitsRus

  

  my understanding is that Oregon is a state that was hard hit by layoffs in logging industries due to increased EPA regulations. Most of those workers had private health insurance. Now they are mandated to buy insurance....hmmmm.
• QuakerOats

  http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obamacare-woes-widen-as-insurers-get-wrong-data-2013-10-18
  
  
  Woes widen; insurers get flawed data.
  
  At what point will the admin pull the plug on this disaster, and delay it a year. It will have to happen.
  
  
  {and this was a software project that was to cost $94 million, and is now up to $700 million .....just another massive government boondoggle}
• BGFalcons82

  

  QuakerOats;1519714 wrote: {and this was a software project that was to cost $94 million, and is now up to $700 million .....just another massive government boondoggle}

  Has our federal government EVER completed a task for LESS than they thought it would cost? I wonder what will be the final cost for the software project? I'm going to guess close to $2,000,000,000. Any guesses as to whom has to pay for it? Oh wait...fire up BoatShoes printing presses and that will solve it all without any penalties or problems whatsoever. Forever.
• sleeper

  

  BGFalcons82;1519757 wrote:Has our federal government EVER completed a task for LESS than they thought it would cost? I wonder what will be the final cost for the software project? I'm going to guess close to $2,000,000,000. Any guesses as to whom has to pay for it? Oh wait...fire up BoatShoes printing presses and that will solve it all without any penalties or problems whatsoever. Forever.

  I still can't believe a website was budgeted at $94M and overran to upwards of $700M. Typical.
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1519762 wrote:I still can't believe a website was budgeted at $94M and overran to upwards of $700M. Typical.

  
  
  And it still doesn't work ..... so, Falcon is probably correct in that it will end up north of $2 billion.
  
  At some point - very shortly - they simply have to delay the forced tax/penalty mandate.
• gut

  BGFalcons82;1519757 wrote:Has our federal government EVER completed a task for LESS than they thought it would cost?

  I figure they've spent something around $17T more than they expected things to cost.
  
  Obamakare was "fully funded". What a crock of a shit.
• believer

  

  gut;1519869 wrote:I figure they've spent something around $17T more than they expected things to cost.
  
  Obamakare was "fully funded". What a crock of a shit.

  Always has been but the sheeple keep running back to the trough for more.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  BGFalcons82;1519757 wrote:Has our federal government EVER completed a task for LESS than they thought it would cost? .

  Yes, they have. You just do not hear about them.
  

  sleeper;1519762 wrote:I still can't believe a website was budgeted at $94M and overran to upwards of $700M. Typical.

  Well, considering the contract was a task order off of a HHS contract vehicle to a small business and then a large business (CGI), the costs are a product of poor oversight by the feds, and piss poor execution by the contractors.
  Apparently, the two awardees systems do not talk to each other, and the actual code is filled with errors.
  So, the problem is the contract probably should not have been awarded to those companies, and the feds needed to get their act together and issue more and more change orders and hold the contractors responsible for the cost overruns.
  
  So, a nice failure of public and private components.
• believer

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1520020 wrote:Yes, they have. You just do not hear about them.

  Name one. I imagine anyone can find far more examples of government waste and financial failures to your handful of successes.
  

  ptown_trojans_1;1520020 wrote:Well, considering the contract was a task order off of a HHS contract vehicle to a small business and then a large business (CGI), the costs are a product of poor oversight by the feds, and piss poor execution by the contractors.

  Here's why this whole situation is absurd. No one can deny that the idea of the "Affordable" Care Act (aka: Obamacare) was chock full of controversy, mismanagement, and political shenanigans from the outset. So you would think that the Obama Administration would have taken great care to insure that the implementation of the centerpiece of his legacy would have been handled quickly, accurately, efficiently, and as flawlessly as possible in order to demonstrate the alleged legitimacy of the new legislation.
  
  Instead - and quite predictably - the kickoff of phase one of the coming single-payer system has been completely botched.
  
  This has been a political boondoggle from the beginning and the dubious launch of Obamacare does not bode well for this supposed "fix" to America's health care problem.
• BGFalcons82

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1520020 wrote:Yes, they have. You just do not hear about them.

  Following up on Believer's request, I'd like you to name 3, if they are so abundant. I'd also like to point out that government agencies/bureaus thrive on spending every dime of their budget so that they get MORE the next cycle. You know, that whole baseline budgeting absurdity and all. Remember, to spend less and actually fix anything means they would have to reduce their size and need for even being involved.
  

  ptown_trojans_1;1520020 wrote:Well, considering the contract was a task order off of a HHS contract vehicle to a small business and then a large business (CGI), the costs are a product of poor oversight by the feds, and piss poor execution by the contractors.
  Apparently, the two awardees systems do not talk to each other, and the actual code is filled with errors.
  So, the problem is the contract probably should not have been awarded to those companies, and the feds needed to get their act together and issue more and more change orders and hold the contractors responsible for the cost overruns.
  
  So, a nice failure of public and private components.

  Let me see if I have this straight... the government found a contractor to run the website, paid dearly for it, failed to monitor the progress/problems, failed to oversee the rollout and is failing daily to manage the process. And we are supposed to rely on government to run healthkare better? Single Payer will be better? The government fails repeatedly when it steps into the private marketplace and folks just say to give them more chances. When one senator tries to shut ObamaKare down because it is an utter failure, THAT person is described as delusional, wacko, jihadist, racist, etc. That one senator is spot on correct and yet...more government will be the answer. We are screwed already.
• believer

  

  Additionally, this mess is a classic example of the on-going incompetency of the Obama Administration. This is without a doubt a national embarrassment.
  
  Yet his pals in the leftist media and the morons in the entertainment industry continue to give him a free pass. Absolutely stunning to watch.
• like_that

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1520020 wrote:Yes, they have. You just do not hear about them.
  
  
  
  Well, considering the contract was a task order off of a HHS contract vehicle to a small business and then a large business (CGI), the costs are a product of poor oversight by the feds, and piss poor execution by the contractors.
  Apparently, the two awardees systems do not talk to each other, and the actual code is filled with errors.
  So, the problem is the contract probably should not have been awarded to those companies, and the feds needed to get their act together and issue more and more change orders and hold the contractors responsible for the cost overruns.
  
  So, a nice failure of public and private components.

  Why would they award a new software as a task order when they are dealing with a brand new insurance? That's fucking dumb as hell to begin with. Should've started a new idiq.
• redstreak one

  

  Obama reminds me so much of a guy who married into a business family, of which I worked for one of the businesses the Emmitt House in Waverly. I was bartending and putting myself through college. The Emmitt House was a money maker, it was good food and drink at a reasonable cost with a strong returning customer base. The first thing he came in and changed was he actually added competition, he built the Canal Pub in the same building, around the corner. I told him all he did was double his cost and cut his customer base in half, but that just pissed him off, he just wanted to move on to the next big thing. The next major change was remodeling the upstairs to create yet a third bar and dance area, there was already a dance area downstairs, 20 feet from the existing bar! Then he remodeled the front bar and added all kinds of new gadgets and in 3 short years he took a multi million dollar business and was bankrupt!
  
  He just wanted to move on to the next big thing, not caring what happened behind him! Obama is the same way, he just wants to get his way and move on to the next big thing, now immigration! It is almost child like, not caring about the actual product, just wanting that next high!
• QuakerOats

  BGFalcons82;1520033 wrote:Let me see if I have this straight... the government found a contractor to run the website, paid dearly for it, failed to monitor the progress/problems, failed to oversee the rollout and is failing daily to manage the process. And we are supposed to rely on government to run healthkare better? Single Payer will be better? The government fails repeatedly when it steps into the private marketplace and folks just say to give them more chances. When one senator tries to shut ObamaKare down because it is an utter failure, THAT person is described as delusional, wacko, jihadist, racist, etc. That one senator is spot on correct and yet...more government will be the answer. We are screwed already.

  
  
  
  BINGO
• sleeper

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1520020 wrote:Yes, they have. You just do not hear about them.
  
  
  
  Well, considering the contract was a task order off of a HHS contract vehicle to a small business and then a large business (CGI), the costs are a product of poor oversight by the feds, and piss poor execution by the contractors.
  Apparently, the two awardees systems do not talk to each other, and the actual code is filled with errors.
  So, the problem is the contract probably should not have been awarded to those companies, and the feds needed to get their act together and issue more and more change orders and hold the contractors responsible for the cost overruns.
  
  So, a nice failure of public and private components.

  I agree the contractors should be held responsible for the overruns but why didn't the government set it up that way? Hell, at that overrun the contractor better damn well be paying right out of their own product as they failed to deliver the product they were tasked with doing. CGI should never win a contract ever again either; that's how the system should work.
• BGFalcons82

  

  If we really want to delay the ObamaKare rollout, just fill in some of the requested information online with one of the following words: TEA Party, conservative, liberty, or Constitution and the application will be immediately sent to the IRS department where delays, obfuscation, questioning, and denial will be handed out. Should be easy enough
• gut

  BGFalcons82;1520589 wrote:If we really want to delay the ObamaKare rollout, just fill in some of the requested information online with one of the following words: TEA Party, conservative, liberty, or Constitution and the application will be immediately sent to the IRS department where delays, obfuscation, questioning, and denial will be handed out. Should be easy enough

  You sure about that? In this case, sounds like it could be an ingenious way to get your app expedited!
• BGFalcons82

  

  gut;1520604 wrote:You sure about that? In this case, sounds like it could be an ingenious way to get your app expedited!

  I would think Obama's IRS would be consistent. You know, equal protection under the law and all that....right???
• QuakerOats

  OBAMA CALLS IN TECHIES FOR THE FIX...
  'Best and brightest' drafted...
  SOS...
  Hospitals face whole new world...
  Sebelius on the Run...
  5 million lines of software code needs to be rewritten...
  'Credibility death spiral'...
  CONSUMER REPORTS: 'Stay away from HealthCare.gov...
  Enrollees to pose with president in Rose Garden...
  MAG: Why Obama Has to Get Mad...
• Devils Advocate

  

  Yada, yada, Drudge. Yada yada Obama......
• QuakerOats

  Maybe if you clicked on the links you might get the education that you (and millions more) failed to get from the 'government-run' education system. Too funny !!!
• QuakerOats

  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/20/little-competition-insurers-some-states-obamacare-plans/2986795/
  
  
  Far fewer choices, more expense.
  
  The EXACT OPPOSITE of the bill of goods these marxists sold to the American people.
  
  Change we can believe in ...
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Devils Advocate;1521220 wrote:Yada, yada, Drudge. Yada yada Obama......

  I'm not sure why you need to yadda yadda anyone. If we are to provide health insurance to everyone (legals and illegals in the US) we need people to pay more than what they get out of the system. That isn't political...it is simple economics. We need healthy 28 year old males to buy into a program that has zero return for them. Otherwise the economics doesn't work.
  
  BTW negative reps for being an economic moron.
• I Wear Pants

  He needs to yadda yadda Quaker because all he does is copypasta dozens of links from Drudge and post them here.
• QuakerOats

  And here's two more (since the other obama thread has errors and you can't post to it)
  
  STUDY: Families living in poverty up in 49 states...
  
  15% of youth out of school, work...
  
  
  
  Hope and change, baby !!