Disgusted with obama administration - Part II

• QuakerOats

  Devils Advocate;1627485 wrote:You can say that all you want, but it does not change the fact that Iraq does not want the US there.
  
  What would you do Teddy? Tell the Iraqi's fuck off I'm staying? How well could our troops defend themselves fighting against the legitimate Iraqi government ( one that we installed ) and the armed Sunni extremists?
  
  At least by cutting and running, we got the hell out of a cesspool that will take thousands of years to sort itself out, If at all.
  
  
  Her's a fair and balance link http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/06/16/3449405/fox-news-celebrates-george-w-bush-as-most-clairvoyant-iraqi-analyst-ever/

  
  There are numerous countries around the globe where we had to stay for decades in order to maintain stability. These countries are successes today.
• TedSheckler

  

  Devils Advocate;1627492 wrote:At this point, what is wrong with the notion of you kicked us out, you deal with it?

  Because after 9/11, George Bush swore the United States would never again allow terrorists to have a safe haven anywhere in the world.
• queencitybuckeye

  TedSheckler;1627501 wrote:Because after 9/11, George Bush swore the United States would never again allow terrorists to have a safe haven anywhere in the world.

  Unfortunately, he kind of created one here.
• Devils Advocate

  

  QuakerOats;1627493 wrote:There are numerous countries around the globe where we had to stay for decades in order to maintain stability. These countries are successes today.

  At what cost to the American people? Would you have our young men stay in Iraq just to double down on a failed war over failed intelligence just to save face?
  

  TedSheckler;1627501 wrote:Because after 9/11, George Bush swore the United States would never again allow terrorists to have a safe haven anywhere in the world.

  So BHO has to Keep Bush's promise? See above post where BHO did that and you said it was wrong.
  
  And ISIS is a threat to us how?
• TedSheckler

  

  I can't answer what we should do. But BHO's do-nothing policy got us here:
  
  
  
  And ISIS is al-Qaeda.
• majorspark

  

  Devils Advocate;1627513 wrote:And ISIS is a threat to us how?

  Oil.
• Devils Advocate

  

  TedSheckler;1627517 wrote:I can't answer what we should do. But BHO's do-nothing policy got us here:
  

  So you don't know what to do, but whatever Obama did or didn't do is bad? So, you would have been OK with ground forces and air support to retake Falluja? How long would you be willing to stay there.
  

  TedSheckler;1627517 wrote: And ISIS is al-Qaeda.

  Wrong Again.
  http://www.firstpost.com/world/isis-group-behind-iraq-crisis-need-know-1576137.html
  
  When you continually talk out your ass, people will eventually not listen to you fart.
• pmoney25

  

  TedSheckler;1627501 wrote:Because after 9/11, George Bush swore the United States would never again allow terrorists to have a safe haven anywhere in the world.

  Funny considering 15 were from Saudi Arabia and some of them lived and worked in the United States. Both safe havens for terrorists.
  
  It doesn't matter if we stayed in Iraq another 5 years or 50 years. As soon as we leave, this will happen. We will never defeat terrorism. This was the original plan of Osama Bin Laden. Drag is into a long, expensive war and we will eventually crumble from the inside. Military adventurism has never been a long term success for any power in world history.
• fish82

  

  DA is killing it today.
• TedSheckler

  

  Devils Advocate;1627521 wrote:So you don't know what to do, but whatever Obama did or didn't do is bad? So, you would have been OK with ground forces and air support to retake Falluja? How long would you be willing to stay there.
  
  
  
  Wrong Again.
  http://www.firstpost.com/world/isis-group-behind-iraq-crisis-need-know-1576137.html
  
  When you continually talk out your ass, people will eventually not listen to you fart.

  Sorry, misspoke. ISIS is al-Qaeda in Iraq...
  
  And of course whatever Obama did or didn't do is wrong. Looks at it over there. What is so hard to understand?
• Devils Advocate

  

  Devils Advocate;1627521 wrote:So you don't know what to do, but whatever Obama did or didn't do is bad?

  TedSheckler;1627527 wrote:And of course whatever Obama did or didn't do is wrong.
  

  I see.....
  

  TedSheckler;1627527 wrote: Looks at it over there.
  

  I sees it
  

  TedSheckler;1627527 wrote: What is so hard to understand?
  

  Maybe it has something to do with a country that is not ours that chose to kick us out, but now wants daddy to come back and protect them from themselves.
  
  We will always have the option to go over there and kick the shit out of them. Why not let Allah sort it out, then clean up the mess later.
  
  There is no winning strategy for entering into a civil war. None.
• Devils Advocate

  

  majorspark;1627518 wrote:Oil.

  If it got that bad, we could invade Canada and take their Oil Sands.
• HitsRus

  

  Yet we are sending in help NOW. Iraq wants our help NOW. This just didn't happen in the past week. Fallujah fell to ISIS back in January

  In actuality it was last OCTOBER that Iraq had contacted us in regards to this.
  
  http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/2013/1031/Maliki-asks-US-to-help-arrest-Iraq-s-slide-into-war-video
• QuakerOats

  Devils Advocate;1627513 wrote:At what cost to the American people? Would you have our young men stay in Iraq just to double down on a failed war over failed intelligence just to save face?

  It is a different world, ever since terrorism became an export product. Hence, you may need to defend the USA from points afar. Most people can grasp that concept. And the war was not a failure; the regime was toppled in very short order ....... it has been the unilateral wholesale retreat that has now led to the scenes you see today. And most people know who has been (portraying) Commander-in-Chief for the last 6 years which has led to this carnage.
• Devils Advocate

  

  QuakerOats;1627541 wrote:It is a different world, ever since terrorism became an export product. Hence, you may need to defend the USA from points afar. Most people can grasp that concept. And the war was not a failure; the regime was toppled in very short order ....... it has been the unilateral wholesale retreat that has now led to the scenes you see today. And most people know who has been (portraying) Commander-in-Chief for the last 6 years which has led to this carnage.

  And we now have drones that can defend us. Here and there.
  
  When will anyone ever get the notion that when you kill a terrorist, He respawns for several generations. When you occupy a country, you actually draw people into the conflict that would not be there otherwise.
  
  To them, WE are the terrorists.
• QuakerOats

  I thought it was they who bombed the World Trade Center, twice. I guess we should have sat back and enjoyed it; is that the advice you would offer?
• majorspark

  

  Devils Advocate;1627537 wrote:If it got that bad, we could invade Canada and take their Oil Sands.

  Last I checked Canada has a reasonable and civilized government in charge of their oil resources that shares a mutual national security interest with the United States. Now if that were to change....
• Devils Advocate

  

  QuakerOats;1627545 wrote:I thought it was they who bombed the World Trade Center, twice. I guess we should have sat back and enjoyed it; is that the advice you would offer?

  Well for a couple thoughts, throwing away 4500 servicemen's lives and over 60,000 wounded, and a trillion dollars is hardly worth a trade for 3200 lives at the WTT's.
  
  Going to war with Iraq had NOTHING to do with the World trade towers. There were no WMD's and there was no al Qaeda. Nothing that we were told was correct, The entire shabang was a ruse to start with. . In fact, invading Iraq destabilized the region when we took Sadam out of power. He didn't tolerate fringe groups, he killed them.
• Devils Advocate

  

  majorspark;1627546 wrote:Last I checked Canada has a reasonable and civilized government in charge of their oil resources that shares a mutual national security interest with the United States. Now if that were to change....

  My point was, if we need oil, it's closer and cheaper.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  We have a disaster in the middle east, no jobs for millennials and this retarded administration is concerned about the Washington Redskins trademark.
  
  This is without a doubt the dumbest administration in the post WWII world.
• queencitybuckeye

  Devils Advocate;1627550 wrote:My point was, if we need oil, it's closer and cheaper.

  A drop of oil whether it's in your backyard or around the world has the exact same impact on our economy.
• Devils Advocate

  

  Yeah but the transportation cost would be cheaper
  
  
  That's it for the day boys, I've worn out my political bones.
• gut

  Devils Advocate;1627412 wrote:... there is NOTHING that BHO could do that would not draw scrutiny from the hard right.

  To be fair, there's not much BHO has done that hasn't been incompetent or ineffective, at best. There's very little he's done that could be called a success.
• QuakerOats

  Devils Advocate;1627549 wrote:Going to war with Iraq had NOTHING to do with the World trade towers. There were no WMD's and there was no al Qaeda.

  
  al Qaeda was, and is, all over Iraq. My goodness gracious.
• jmog

  Devils Advocate;1627513 wrote: And ISIS is a threat to us how?

  I am not sold on us still being in Iraq, but you have to see/know that ISIS is al Qaeda right? So the last question has to be just thought provoking and not serious?
  
  not literally al Qaeda but the same jihadist/terrorist mindset hell bent on killing Americans.
  
  I I agree to let Iraq "go" and deal with the mess that is left, but to downplay ISIS like it isn't a threat to the US is about as smart as those in the 1990s that said the same about al Qaeda.