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Disgusted with obama administration - Part II

  • Spock
    sleeper;1740889 wrote:Nuclear arms with zero percent chance of hitting the USA.
    really? A nuclear device will likely be a small device delivered in a non-rocket manner.
  • sleeper
    Spock;1740894 wrote:really? A nuclear device will likely be a small device delivered in a non-rocket manner.
    Mutual Assured Destruction. I'm not worried about Iran.
  • QuakerOats
    The Iranian nuclear deal reached in Vienna contains no reference to the Parchin military facility where most of Iran’s past nuclear arms-related work was carried out.
    Additionally, the draft agreement made public on Tuesday contains no stated limits on Iran’s Russian-made Bushehr nuclear power facility that analysts say could produce plutonium for dozens of bombs.
    Also, the accord will lift international sanctions on several Iranian entities currently engaged in supporting terrorism and building ballistic missiles, including the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)-Air Force Al Ghadir Missile Command.
    The Tehran-based command is a key element in developing nuclear-tipped missiles and is considered to be in operational control of Iranian missiles.
    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/nuclear-deal-silent-on-irans-parchin-military-plant-bushehr/
  • ptown_trojans_1
    CenterBHSFan;1740842 wrote:A few things.
    1.) I don't think you will manage to find too many people outside of DC who would be comfortable with this. Not everybody is as uneducated, thought-less or as trusting in the written word/spoken promises of Iran. It has nothing to do with the politics of a small message board. Most people with any sense are distrustful of this, as they very well should be. That doesn't have anything to do with political ideology.

    2.) I'd really be interested in knowing, without a doubt, that inspectors can pop in at any given time to verify on whatever production is happening. Since you seem to have read this agreement, Ptown, can you verify this or not?
    After all, "trust but verify" should be readily accepted by Iran also, yes?

    3.) What if Iran stops any sort of pretense of wanting to play by the rules? What are the plans for consequences?
    1. I get that one. Iran is not exactly trustworthy. Skepticism is warranted and should remain so over the life of the agreement and beyond.
    2. The AP allows inspectors to set up monitors in all aspects of the fuel cycle, to monitor how much uranium is being produced and at what levels. If the IAEA does suspect a site is in violation of the agreement they can request Iran to explain, and then if they do not like the answer, they can, within 14 days, view the site....ANY site. Iran did not get their way in this regard. It is the same across the whole world with countries that sign the AP.
    3. If Iran does something to break the agreement, the failure goes to a committee made up of the U.S., Europe (EU), China, Russian, and Iran. All it takes is a majority and there is no veto power. So, if the U.S. and Europe feel Iran is in violation, Iran, China, and Russian cannot veto it. Then, boom sanctions come back into play. It is a complicated but actually pretty good idea when you figure it out.

    An article from a former IAEA guy
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/07/15/how-the-nuclear-deal-can-keep-iran-from-cheating-according-to-a-former-u-n-inspector/
    Spock;1740866 wrote:remember when Iraq kept kicking UN inspectors out and at least 19 times they werent allowed in at all. When the congress voted to go to war, this was the proof they had WMD
    Facepalm.....
    Ya know the IAEA said Iraq had no WMD....and they turned out to be right.
    QuakerOats;1740880 wrote:LOL.


    "UN inspectors can demand access to nuclear facilities on Iran military sites, but they aren’t immediate or even guaranteed."


    You can hear it now ----

    John Kerry: "I demand to have access to the facilities"

    Iran: "Fuck off"

    John Kerry: "ok"



    These jackasses make Jimmy Carter look like George Washington.

    See above chief.
    Iran cannot say this site is off limits. If the IAEA has reason to suspect is site is involved and undeclared, they will have access. Otherwise, the issue may go back to the U.S./ EU and some sanctions may come back into play.
    Spock;1740894 wrote:really? A nuclear device will likely be a small device delivered in a non-rocket manner.
    Nuclear forensics. Iran knows if they do anything that stupid with can attribute it to them based off of the uranium.
    sleeper;1740897 wrote:Mutual Assured Destruction. I'm not worried about Iran.
    And, bingo. Even North Korea isn't stupid enough to launch their nukes due to the fact they want to survive.

    Is the agreement perfect, nope, but again, in the end, it brings Iran into the fold in terms of international safeguards and in good standing with the IAEA.
    Iran was never going to give up its nuclear program and the reality is people have to realize any country can have a domestic nuclear power program. There will always be duel use fears. One country cannot say you cannot have nuclear power, but you can. That is not how it works.
    So, Iran was always going to have the capability for nuclear energy. The key was to bring it into the fold and make it just like Japan. Brazil, Turkey, etc. subject to IAEA verification.
  • jmog
    ptown_trojans_1;1740804 wrote:
    I'll also suggest that people at least read the thing before you trash it totally.
    I would have also liked Iran to cave on everything, but that was totally unrealistic and we have been trying that since 2005.

    At the end of the day though, we can say a few things that we could not before today.
    Iran will stop enriching above 3%.
    Iran will sign the Additional Protocol and Code 3.1 (which they have protested since 2003)
    The IAEA will have access to the full fuel cycle, from mine to enrichment.
    Iran will not reprocess or make plutonium.

    But, go on trash the deal.
    I am not Quaker Oats, but I am by far an Obama supporter.

    With that said, the deal is a GREAT one, if someone believes Iran will ACTUALLY follow through with all of their side of the deal. This is the same country that has stated, over and over again by their leaders, that their goal is to obliterate Israel and the west (read the USA).

    So call me skeptical, but until they actually hold to their side of the deal, I still say it was dumb to even be negotiating with the extremists.
  • Spock
    Obama on TV right now taking softball questions from press.
    Major Garrett, CBS, just threw Obama a "why didn't you get those Americans out of their jails before negotiating"....... he answered with nothing but BS. He didn't even try to get them out is basically his answer.
  • fish82
    I literally never get tired of watching ptown toe the company line with this stuff.

    #lulz
  • QuakerOats
    PRESIDENT OBAMA staunchly defends the newly struck Iran nuclear deal, using a press conference to lecture critics and assembled media on the agreement — even admonishing a reporter who questioned his resolve on US prisoners left behind that 'you should know better.'



    Of course the above is on Fox News website :)
  • Spock
    Obama is a terrible negotiator. Iran has their deal and had to give up NOTHING. Now we have to give them more to get those people back. Should of been a nonstarter without those poeple.

    He gives up known terrorists for Bergdohl (a traitor) but nothing for these good innocent people.
  • Gardens35
    fish82;1740955 wrote:I literally never get tired of watching ptown toe the company line with this stuff.

    #lulz
    I got tired.
  • QuakerOats
    U.S. and Iranian officials confirmed Thursday that no American nuclear inspectors will be permitted to enter the country’s contested nuclear site under the parameters of a deal reached with world powers this week, according to multiple statements by American and Iranian officials.
    Under the tenants of the final nuclear deal reached this week in Vienna, only countries with normal diplomatic relations with Iran will be permitted to participate in inspections teams organized by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
    The revelation of this caveat has attracted concern from some analysts who maintain that only American experts can be trusted to verify that Iran is not cheating on the deal and operating clandestine nuclear facilities.
    The admission is the latest in a series of apparent concessions made by the United States to Iran under the deal. Other portions of the agreement include a promise by the United States to help Iran combat nuclear sabotage and threats to its program.

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-bans-u-s-inspectors-from-all-nuclear-sites/


    It gets more incredible every day ........
  • ptown_trojans_1
    fish82;1740955 wrote:I literally never get tired of watching ptown toe the company line with this stuff.

    #lulz
    Glad I can amuse you.
    Gardens35;1741032 wrote:I got tired.
    Sorry.
    QuakerOats;1741214 wrote:U.S. and Iranian officials confirmed Thursday that no American nuclear inspectors will be permitted to enter the country’s contested nuclear site under the parameters of a deal reached with world powers this week, according to multiple statements by American and Iranian officials.
    Under the tenants of the final nuclear deal reached this week in Vienna, only countries with normal diplomatic relations with Iran will be permitted to participate in inspections teams organized by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
    The revelation of this caveat has attracted concern from some analysts who maintain that only American experts can be trusted to verify that Iran is not cheating on the deal and operating clandestine nuclear facilities.
    The admission is the latest in a series of apparent concessions made by the United States to Iran under the deal. Other portions of the agreement include a promise by the United States to help Iran combat nuclear sabotage and threats to its program.

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-bans-u-s-inspectors-from-all-nuclear-sites/


    It gets more incredible every day ........
    Not a surprise and that is the norm in all IAEA Additional Protocol agreements.
    Besides, we can still use National Technical Means to assist the IAEA as we have been on Iran since 2003. Or, we can send our allies in as well, Canada, UK, German, etc.
  • TedSheckler
    4 Marines killed and the piece of shit in the White House wishes Muslims around the world a happy end to Ramadan.
  • like_that
    TedSheckler;1741228 wrote:4 Marines killed and the piece of shit in the White House wishes Muslims around the world a happy end to Ramadan.
    You think he will send wh officials to the funerals of the victims?
  • Spock
    like_that;1741250 wrote:You think he will send wh officials to the funerals of the victims?
    he will likely downplay the whole thing. Somehow the marines fault.
  • majorspark
    like_that;1741250 wrote:You think he will send wh officials to the funerals of the victims?
    When high level politicians show up at funerals I distrust their motives. Maybe I am just cynical. I know that many do really care but when its made a media event it just crawls all over me.
  • majorspark
    ptown_trojans_1;1741222 wrote:Not a surprise and that is the norm in all IAEA Additional Protocol agreements.
    Besides, we can still use National Technical Means to assist the IAEA as we have been on Iran since 2003. Or, we can send our allies in as well, Canada, UK, German, etc.
    [video=youtube;6TcbU5jAavw][/video]
  • SportsAndLady
    If anyone wants a good laugh on this Sunday morning, have at it:

    http://www.newsnet5.com/decodedc/mr-president-on-behalf-of-an-ungrateful-nation-thank-you

    Wow
  • superman
    SportsAndLady;1741462 wrote:If anyone wants a good laugh on this Sunday morning, have at it:

    http://www.newsnet5.com/decodedc/mr-president-on-behalf-of-an-ungrateful-nation-thank-you

    Wow
    That comment section is hilarious. Those idiots are delusional on their love for Barry.
  • gut
    He's the first black POTUS...gotta lower the bar.
  • Commander of Awesome
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/180365/barack-obama-hillary-clinton-extend-run-admired.aspx

    but, but but approval rating!!




    Obama is currently 47%, right in line with avg
  • like_that
    Commander of Awesome;1741492 wrote:http://www.gallup.com/poll/180365/barack-obama-hillary-clinton-extend-run-admired.aspx

    but, but but approval rating!!




    Obama is currently 47%, right in line with avg
    I am just proud you didn't mention Bush. Congrats little guy.
  • Commander of Awesome
    like_that;1741493 wrote:I am just proud you didn't mention Bush. Congrats little guy.
    Huh? Why are you bringing him up? (Must be missing something)
  • like_that
    Commander of Awesome;1741494 wrote:Huh? Why are you bringing him up? (Must be missing something)
    You can play, dumb. It's ok.
  • superman
    Commander of Awesome;1741492 wrote:http://www.gallup.com/poll/180365/barack-obama-hillary-clinton-extend-run-admired.aspx

    but, but but approval rating!!




    Obama is currently 47%, right in line with avg
    47%? Where have I heard that number before?