1st Debate

• BoatShoes

  gut;1286771 wrote:Again, saying Romney is going to raise taxes on the middle class is a lie. End of debate. Maybe that's why I talk down to you, because you either don't understand the issues or you lack integrity in your arguments.

  If he wants a revenue neutral tax reform taxes must rise on middle income americans due to fewer tax expenditures.
  
  Or he doesn't eliminate these tax expenditures and the deficit gets worse.
  
  Pick your poison then.
  
  Or, he walks back his commitment to a 20% rate cut...which would be a responsible thing to do but he has supported a 20% rate cut for his whole campaign. This is undoubtedly the best result.
• gut

  sleeper;1286777 wrote:I don't like Mitt Romney but man did he own this debate tonight. Even CNN is slobbering his knob right now.

  That's funny, because Rush made a point a while back that the media more than anything loves drama, and they need the race to tighten up. But it was a slaughter.
  
  I'd expect Ryan to similarly carve-up Biden next week.
• sleeper

  

  Ugh so much fucking rhetoric from this Obama lady.
• HitsRus

  

  I feel like OSU just scored a TD against Michigan. Obama Pwned.LOL
• tk421

  

  lol at the issues weren't touched on. Anyone honestly think that the majority of people care about the issues? The majority of Americans couldn't tell you the first thing about the stuff you all listed, it's all a popularity contest. It's American Idol on the big stage, whoever looks the coolest and promises the most free stuff wins, crack head citizen doesn't care about Medicaid or the budget or SS.
• gut

  BoatShoes;1286778 wrote:Or he explodes the deficit. Pick your poison then.
  
  Or, he walks back his commitment to a 20% rate cut...which would be a responsible thing to do but he has supported a 20% rate cut for his whole campaign.

  Explodes the deficit? Another lie passed off as fact. Obama spending 25% more than the Romney/Ryan plan will explode the deficit. Obama is a PROVEN deficit exploder.
  
  So what if he walks back his 20%? You're acting like a 15-17% rate is a material difference. At least now you acknowledge that "raising taxes on the middle class" is neither fact nor foregone conclusion. But I'm surprised you're not attacking Obama's budget because it's inherently obvious the middle class tax payer is more likely to take a hit in that scenario.
• rydawg5

  Everytime Obama says something about the national debt, how doesn't Romney just simply said "Bro, you doubled the deficit" - PWND - You just can't say anything about a deficit you've doubled. Period.
  
  
  Obama "You gonna raise deficit"
  
  Romney "You literally doubled it"
  
  Obama "Yeah, but you gonna potentially raise it mofo"
  
  Romeny "Point taken"
• BoatShoes

  gut;1286774 wrote:I don't know. Will be interesting. Some say debates don't move the needle much. And when partisan voters get most of their impression from their favored news stations the needle will, understandably, not move.

  Well the Kerry - Bush debate moved the needle quite a bit and Obama got whooped pretty good.
• gut

  ts1227;1286775 wrote:Yeah. I mean think about this site. These debates will not change the mind of a single person. Depends on how many true undecideds there were.

  Saw a stat somewhere that 96% of likely voters would watch the debate. That seems extraordinarily high to me (unless they count a few minutes or clips on CNN as "watching").
• gut

  BoatShoes;1286787 wrote:Well the Kerry - Bush debate moved the needle quite a bit and Obama got whooped pretty good.

  Hopefully. I think historically it doesn't move the needle much, but maybe most debates aren't so one-sided.
• tk421

  

  no way 96% of likely voters watched the debate, that'd be huge ratings. Doubt more people watched the debate than MNF.
• gut

  But fear not....Romney made a lot of statements of fact and threw out lots of stats - by morning the spin doctors and "fact" checkers will have a very different narrative.
• QuakerOats

  Romney simply destroyed obama.
  
  obama may want to skip the next two.
  
  WOW, what a drilling
• rydawg5

  tk421;1286791 wrote:no way 96% of likely voters watched the debate, that'd be huge ratings. Doubt more people watched the debate than MNF.

  I'm watching. I favor Romney between the two, but I favor Ron Paul and will be voting for him at this point.
• QuakerOats

  Can you believe CNN is now airing the viewpoint of obama's communist appointee Van Jones.
  incredible
• Terry_Tate

  

  The dude who just talked on CNN had me loling. Just spewed the standard Romney offshoring stuff and said he only said what the people wanted to hear. I just want someone to be like Bro, that's what they all do.
• BGFalcons82

  

  QuakerOats;1286793 wrote:Romney simply destroyed obama.
  
  obama may want to skip the next two.
  
  WOW, what a drilling

  Game. Set. Match. Barry really missed his teleprompter tonight....badly.
  I wonder what his blink rate was..had to be off the charts.
• tk421

  

  ccrunner609;1286800 wrote:the majority of the people that you are talking about dont vote.

  they do when they are bused their and told who to vote for, these are the people that will win the election for Obama. These debates aren't going to swing anyone who has even a passing interest in politics to the other side.
• QuakerOats

  Black Dem Rep from Alabama Artur Davis just said Mr. Romney sounded like a president tonight.
  
  
  
  CASE CLOSED
• QuakerOats

  Romney took the prez to the woodshed, in such fashion that the prez simply cannot rebound.
  
  
  
  Give the Fat Lady the pitch pipe
• QuakerOats

  The PANIC on msnbc is prolific :laugh:
• BGFalcons82

  

  Chris Christie predicted tonight would be an eye opener. I always thought he was a smart guy
• stlouiedipalma

  I thought Romney pretty much won the debate on style points. He had some nice facts and figures to refute the President, but offered precious few specifics on his big ticket items, as has become the norm. He goes on and on about closing loopholes in the tax code, but won't offer one single specific about which loophole he will eliminate. It's also pretty obvious that he won't name one single program or government department he will cut, only offering that vague "not worth borrowing from China" line from the campaign. He also kinda threw the tea party under the bus, as he never once mentioned anything they support strongly. It was obvious that the etch-a-sketch was in full operation tonight as Mitt went straight down the center on this one.
  
  He may pick up a few points from this, but he still needs to give the American voters a reason to vote for him other than "I'm not Obama". He might show some movement nationally, but I highly doubt the battleground states will get much tighter after tonight.
• se-alum

  

  Terry_Tate;1286798 wrote:The dude who just talked on CNN had me loling. Just spewed the standard Romney offshoring stuff and said he only said what the people wanted to hear. I just want someone to be like Bro, that's what they all do.

  j
  
  Even Carville was looking at the guy like, dude, STFU!!
• QuakerOats

  Even CNN just reported Romney won 67% to 25% ............. OUCH