From my cold dead hand

• Belly35

  

  Over my cold dead body
  
  Rip my weapon from my cold dead hand before this will happen to my country. That’s a promise to my kids and my grandkid. I don’t stand alone .......
  
  Obama Administration believes that our privacy and possession belong to government.
  
  http://www.yolohub.com/economy/the-obama-administration-all-your-privacy-and-all-your-stuff-belong-to-us
• said_aouita

  

  blah blah blah. No President would ever dare "exercise those powers" like the article said.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  said_aouita;1146096 wrote:blah blah blah. No President would ever dare "exercise those powers" like the article said.

  Seriously? I guess you have never studied any kind of history.
• 2kool4skool

  

  If the government wants to kill you, they will. Your stupid gun isn't going to protect you.
• said_aouita

  

  Cleveland Buck;1146102 wrote:Seriously? I guess you have never studied any kind of history.

  I'm thinking this would never get to the point where Americans are suddenly doing without and suffering.
  
  [INDENT]Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:
  (1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
  (2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;
  (3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;
  (4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;
  (5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and
  (6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.
  [/INDENT]
• Footwedge

  I'm not a big fan of the slippery slope theory/argument in general. But damn. What is the logic behind this? Where will it in fact end?
  
  We used to be a country with morals, fair rules, and fairness. Today, not so much.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Yawn. President's ahve pretty much held this power since the Cold War.
  We survived that, and we will survive anything else.
• BoatShoes

  2kool4skool;1146180 wrote:If the government wants to kill you, they will. Your stupid gun isn't going to protect you.

  This. Ironic that the party that fears all-powerful government supports making it an even mightier military power when it could already crush any foe with extreme prejudice. This is especially true considering presidential systems like our own have fallen into authoritarianism nearly every where they've been tried. A U.S. President who decided to become a despot could easily wipe out any resistance from citizens with small-arms.
  
  All that would stop him would be patriotic military servicemen who refused to turn guns on their fellow Americans.
• Belly35

  

  If push came to shove………….. I could have 6 to 15 old fearless willing to die an honorable death crazed Vietnam Combat Forged Vets prepared to fight for freedom at my calling. Would today military or police be prepared to pull the trigger on those? I can tell you the only thing these guys would feel is the recoil
• 2kool4skool

  

  Belly35;1147071 wrote:If push came to shove………….. I could have 6 to 15 old fearless willing to die an honorable death crazed Vietnam Combat Forged Vets prepared to fight for freedom at my calling. Would today military or police be prepared to pull the trigger on those? I can tell you the only thing these guys would feel is the recoil

  They can just send a scud missile to whatever shack you're holed up in. It would be a fantastic explosion of redneck bones, beef jerky, and Coors light.
• QuakerOats

  2kool4skool;1147107 wrote:They can just send a scud missile to whatever shack you're holed up in. It would be a fantastic explosion of redneck bones, beef jerky, and Coors light.

  
  Bring it on.
• QuakerOats

  And now the grab for command of the oceans; will there be anything left that he does not nationalize???
  
  http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=50880
  
  
  Change we can believe in ....
• isadore

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• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats;1147197 wrote:And now the grab for command of the oceans; will there be anything left that he does not nationalize???
  
  http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=50880
  
  
  Change we can believe in ....

  Few things.
  1. It is Human Events, which obviously has a bias.
  2. They never quote the actual Executive Order, or even mention it by name. That is shoddy research and writing. If you are going to crush a policy, at the very least mention the actual policy name, and even a link to where it can be found so the readers can actually read it.
  3. Most of the quotes come from R's in the House, who are obviously against any measure.
  4. I'm not aware of the policy, but the way the article frames it, it does not provide the actual text for why the administration is doing it. Instead it using paraphrasing.
  5. The article automatically assumes the very worst. Instead of just reporting the facts and story, the author using language and quotes that leads the reader to automatically assume the worst of the administration.
  6. It is articles like that I cannot stand and to me, does not advance the rational dialogue and in-depth analysis that is deeply missed in today's discourse.
• majorspark

  

  2kool4skool;1147107 wrote:They can just send a scud missile to whatever shack you're holed up in. It would be a fantastic explosion of redneck bones, beef jerky, and Coors light.

  Don't forget about the brothers resisting in the ghetto:
  
  They can just send a scud missile to whatever project you're holed up in. It would be a fantastic explosion of ****** bones, fried chicken, and Colt 45.
• dwccrew

  

  majorspark;1147558 wrote:Don't forget about the brothers resisting in the ghetto:
  
  They can just send a scud missile to whatever project you're holed up in. It would be a fantastic explosion of ****** bones, fried chicken, and Colt 45.

  This just isn't possible. Black men or "Brothers" are too lazy to resist anything except a job. Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.
• 2kool4skool

  

  majorspark;1147558 wrote:Don't forget about the brothers resisting in the ghetto:
  
  They can just send a scud missile to whatever project you're holed up in. It would be a fantastic explosion of ****** bones, fried chicken, and Colt 45.

  What's your point here?
  
  There aren't any black people talking about getting 5 of their buddies together and taking on the US military as if it's a realistic fight.
• I Wear Pants

  ptown_trojans_1;1147365 wrote:Few things.
  1. It is Human Events, which obviously has a bias.
  2. They never quote the actual Executive Order, or even mention it by name. That is shoddy research and writing. If you are going to crush a policy, at the very least mention the actual policy name, and even a link to where it can be found so the readers can actually read it.
  3. Most of the quotes come from R's in the House, who are obviously against any measure.
  4. I'm not aware of the policy, but the way the article frames it, it does not provide the actual text for why the administration is doing it. Instead it using paraphrasing.
  5. The article automatically assumes the very worst. Instead of just reporting the facts and story, the author using language and quotes that leads the reader to automatically assume the worst of the administration.
  6. It is articles like that I cannot stand and to me, does not advance the rational dialogue and in-depth analysis that is deeply missed in today's discourse.

  Quaker doesn't know what "rational dialogue" means.
• majorspark

  

  2kool4skool;1147647 wrote:What's your point here?
  
  There aren't any black people talking about getting 5 of their buddies together and taking on the US military as if it's a realistic fight.

  Point is my stereotypes are are as ridiculous as yours. Just because someone believes the main purpose of the 2nd amendment is a final check against a tyrannical government, does not make them an ignorant hick. Its not 5 but millions. Some of which are very well educated and very well placed in society.
• majorspark

  

  BoatShoes;1146992 wrote:This. Ironic that the party that fears all-powerful government supports making it an even mightier military power when it could already crush any foe with extreme prejudice. This is especially true considering presidential systems like our own have fallen into authoritarianism nearly every where they've been tried.

  I agree to an extent.
  

  BoatShoes;1146992 wrote:A U.S. President who decided to become a despot could easily wipe out any resistance from citizens with small-arms.

  
  
  Two presidents have tried to eradicate an army of peasants that hold nothing but small arms for over a decade in Afghanistan. Not as easy as one would think. You really have to get shitty.
  

  BoatShoes;1146992 wrote:All that would stop him would be patriotic military servicemen who refused to turn guns on their fellow Americans.

  
  
  This is the case on all civil uprisings. The military divides as the population. The thing is when the people are armed the government must be wary of them. Especially the hotheads. Too much force or overreaction and people get killed and regular non active citizens can quickly become hotheads.
  
  Look at Lincoln's miscalculation. When the deep south cotton states declared their intentions of leaving the union he and others were convinced they could make short work of the sparsely populated and nonindustrial south. By ordering Americans to raise armies to turn their guns on their fellow citizens he lost four more states and with it some of the federal army's best officers. The result 600,000+ Americans dead.
• 2kool4skool

  

  majorspark;1148307 wrote:Just because someone believes the main purpose of the 2nd amendment is a final check against a tyrannical government, does not make them an ignorant hick.

  I'm not calling everyone who believes something an ignorant hick. I'm calling belly an ignorant hick.
• BoatShoes

  majorspark;1148380 wrote: Look at Lincoln's miscalculation. When the deep south cotton states declared their intentions of leaving the union he and others were convinced they could make short work of the sparsely populated and nonindustrial south. By ordering Americans to raise armies to turn their guns on their fellow citizens he lost four more states and with it some of the federal army's best officers. The result 600,000+ Americans dead.

  This is why I'm particularly wary of Drones. As I understand it, the next generation Fighter after the F-35 almost certainly will not need a human pilot. I imagine more of our military will become more mechanized. A drone can't tell the difference between killing an American citizen and a terrorist (at least not yet).
  
  Perhaps a Drone from the future will be traveling back in time to kill Belly because his daughter will lead the human resistance against the rise of the machines?
• QuakerOats

  I Wear Pants;1147652 wrote:Quaker doesn't know what "rational dialogue" means.

  
  That's right, attack the messenger, instead of the IRrational policy edicts of the current regime.
• Belly35

  

  2kool4skool;1148481 wrote:I'm not calling everyone who believes something an ignorant hick. I'm calling belly an ignorant hick.

  A proper noun is a noun which names a specific person, place, or thing.
  Proper nouns are capitalized. You mofo
• isadore

  majorspark;1148380 wrote:I agree to an extent.
  
  
  
  Two presidents have tried to eradicate an army of peasants that hold nothing but small arms for over a decade in Afghanistan. Not as easy as one would think. You really have to get ****ty.
  
  
  
  This is the case on all civil uprisings. The military divides as the population. The thing is when the people are armed the government must be wary of them. Especially the hotheads. Too much force or overreaction and people get killed and regular non active citizens can quickly become hotheads.
  
  Look at Lincoln's miscalculation. When the deep south cotton states declared their intentions of leaving the union he and others were convinced they could make short work of the sparsely populated and nonindustrial south. By ordering Americans to raise armies to turn their guns on their fellow citizens he lost four more states and with it some of the federal army's best officers. The result 600,000+ Americans dead.

  It is very interesting to get the neo confederate rational for the Civil War from an advocate of the extremist interpretation of the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Amendment. The Civil War was started when a group of
  “very well educated and well placed” who thought their right to own other human beings was threatened roused a group of “ignorant hicks” to join them in their taking up arms against a popularly elected government. They were traitors.