Slippery Slope - Anything For Safety

• fish82

  

  I Wear Pants;1016543 wrote:Yes.
  
  Are you seriously ****ing arguing that a few days training from some TSA douche is comparable to a year of schooling and a state exam?

  Why are you two arguing how much training is needed to push a farking button for 5 seconds?
• Glory Days

  

  I Wear Pants;1016543 wrote:Yes.
  
  Are you seriously fucking arguing that a few days training from some TSA douche is comparable to a year of schooling and a state exam?

  fucking serious as the highschool drop out at the local community college going to class for xray technicians. plus, i have a family member who was one. not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
• Glory Days

  

  fish82;1016799 wrote:Why are you two arguing how much training is needed to push a farking button for 5 seconds?

  exactly. you dont need to be a genious to do this whether you are a TSA worker or xray technician.
• Glory Days

  

  I Wear Pants;1016790 wrote:"The DOJ found that over a two year period, officers committed civil rights violations in one out of every five of the 500 to 600 incidents a year where officers used force."
  
  http://publicola.com/2011/12/15/department-of-justice-to-hammer-seattle-police-for-use-of-force/

  wrong thread? either way, this is interesting "the DOJ has refused to provide police with data on how they came up with their results. The DOJ has also refused to provide data to back up their findings, unless the city enters into legal arbitration with the justice department."
• I Wear Pants

  Glory Days;1016812 wrote:wrong thread? either way, this is interesting "the DOJ has refused to provide police with data on how they came up with their results. The DOJ has also refused to provide data to back up their findings, unless the city enters into legal arbitration with the justice department."

  Yes wrong thread. And I had missed that part. That seems silly. They should obviously release the data because if this is a true thing it's quite damning.
  
  TL;DR: Transparency is never bad with this sort of thing.
• Glory Days

  

  I Wear Pants;1017157 wrote:Yes wrong thread. And I had missed that part. That seems silly. They should obviously release the data because if this is a true thing it's quite damning.
  
  TL;DR: Transparency is never bad with this sort of thing.

  yeah you think part of the investigation would be to help the department fix their problems. not just say they fucked up and not say why or how.
• I Wear Pants

  "The only useful airport security measures since 9/11," he says, "were locking and reinforcing the cockpit doors, so terrorists can't break in, positive baggage matching" -- ensuring that people can't put luggage on planes, and then not board them -- "and teaching the passengers to fight back. The rest is security theater."
  
  http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2011/12/tsa-insanity-201112
• tk421

  

  Apparently the U.S. is the only country that doesn't get that. Too much money to line pockets to get rid of the scanners and the TSA now. Europe has banned them, and get this, no planes falling from the skies because of all the bombs. They can keep their shoes on and don't get "pat" down or irradiated, and the planes stay in the sky. I guess it's only the U.S. that has this issue with "terrorists".
• Cleveland Buck

  

  Let the pilots arm themselves and the airlines post armed security on flights. Then the government wouldn't have to sexually assault people that want to fly.
  
  Security isn't the point of this though. They just want to know how much they can get away with. How many of our rights can they take away before anyone even notices. That's what the Patriot Act was, and that's why Americans can now be detained indefinitely without charges or any due process of law, because we bent over and took it when the tyrants told us they were sticking it in.
• Glory Days

  

  tk421;1024702 wrote:Apparently the U.S. is the only country that doesn't get that. Too much money to line pockets to get rid of the scanners and the TSA now. Europe has banned them, and get this, no planes falling from the skies because of all the bombs. They can keep their shoes on and don't get "pat" down or irradiated, and the planes stay in the sky. I guess it's only the U.S. that has this issue with "terrorists".

  Both the shoe bomber and underwear bomber boarded planes in Europe headed to the US. do you even look anything up before you speak?
• tk421

  

  Glory Days;1024794 wrote:Both the shoe bomber and underwear bomber boarded planes in Europe headed to the US. do you even look anything up before you speak?

  And how did those work out? So, two isolated incidences in 10 years and everyone in this country suffers for it. What does that have to do with our security and getting cancer? The scanners don't work, period. You can look up all the information you want, they don't work. It's security theater, plain and simple. You go right on believing that the government is "protecting" you from the big bad bogeyman.
  
  http://www.propublica.org/article/just-how-good-are-the-tsas-body-scanners
• tk421

  

  Here you go Glory Days, sleep easy now the TSA are on the job. Clearly the billions and billions of dollars were well spent. Now the American public can rest easy and travel knowing that the dangers of red velvet cupcakes are taken care of. God Bless the TSA. :rolleyes:
  
  http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/tsa-confiscates-cupcake-calls.html
• Glory Days

  

  tk421;1024996 wrote:And how did those work out? So, two isolated incidences in 10 years and everyone in this country suffers for it. What does that have to do with our security and getting cancer? The scanners don't work, period. You can look up all the information you want, they don't work. It's security theater, plain and simple. You go right on believing that the government is "protecting" you from the big bad bogeyman.
  
  http://www.propublica.org/article/just-how-good-are-the-tsas-body-scanners

  seriously? they got bombs on the board the plane, thats what this is about. how did it not work for them? the bombers failed in detonating the bombs, they didnt fail in getting it on the plane. obviously the lax atttitude in europe you praise failed.
  

  And in Buffalo recently, a passenger who was caught with a ceramic knife [8] after a pat-down admitted that he had opted out of the scanner because he figured it would find the knife.

  Two homeland security officials, who asked not be identified speaking about vulnerabilities, said recent intelligence that terrorists are considering implanting explosives [9] inside their bodies shows that the scanners are forcing would-be suicide bombers to adapt their methods. The body scanners see only underneath clothing, not inside the body. Carrying out an attack with an implanted weapon, the officials said, would be technically more difficult than if an attacker had a bomb strapped to their chest.

  thats the point right there, its part mental. if you can make the bombers have to take extra steps to get a bomb on the plane, they will trip up somewhere and get caught. but simple minded people like you cant see that and immediately goto the worst case scenario and the world is ending.
  

  Prompted by an outcry over the graphic images the body scanners produce, the TSA began installing privacy software [13] on all of its millimeter-wave machines this summer. Instead of creating an image of the passenger's body, the machines now display a generic outline of a human body with potential threats highlighted by yellow boxes.

  so much for that argument, whats next for you?
• tk421

  

  http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2011/12/tsa-insanity-201112
  
  Here's a thought for all you would be holiday travelers. When you are standing in the crowded security lines, look around you and hope someone doesn't detonate a bomb before the TSA security. I've said it before, and I'm not the only one, the most dangerous place in an airport is the security line. Let's jam everyone up into a small area and create a choke point, that's a good idea. If anyone attacks an airport again, I bet it will be before they even go through the useless TSA security. Happy travels.
• Glory Days

  

  tk421;1025065 wrote:Here you go Glory Days, sleep easy now the TSA are on the job. Clearly the billions and billions of dollars were well spent. Now the American public can rest easy and travel knowing that the dangers of red velvet cupcakes are taken care of. God Bless the TSA. :rolleyes:
  
  http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/tsa-confiscates-cupcake-calls.html

  yes, billions and billions.....seriously, stop.
  

  The TSA has spent more than $100 million on the body scanners and plans to spend hundreds of millions of dollars more as it outfits nearly every airport security lane with a scanner by 2014.

• tk421

  

  lol, so your whole argument is that we are spending billions and billions of dollars to force the terrorists to adapt to techniques we can't even stop? If they implant explosives, nothing at the TSA will catch that. Good idea, that sounds like a plan.
  
  Also, I don't give a shit about privacy on the MMW machines. I'm talking about the fucking backscatter X Ray machines, the ones that will give you cancer. Putting privacy filters isn't going to stop your DNA from being screwed up.
• Glory Days

  

  tk421;1025120 wrote:http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2011/12/tsa-insanity-201112
  
  Here's a thought for all you would be holiday travelers. When you are standing in the crowded security lines, look around you and hope someone doesn't detonate a bomb before the TSA security. I've said it before, and I'm not the only one, the most dangerous place in an airport is the security line. Let's jam everyone up into a small area and create a choke point, that's a good idea. If anyone attacks an airport again, I bet it will be before they even go through the useless TSA security. Happy travels.

  lines were crowded around the holidays before 9/11.
• tk421

  

  lol, you go right on being a fucking sheep. I'm done arguing with you. Clearly nothing will every penetrate your brain, you think everything the government is doing is for your "protection".
• Glory Days

  

  tk421;1025133 wrote:lol, so your whole argument is that we are spending billions and billions of dollars to force the terrorists to adapt to techniques we can't even stop? If they implant explosives, nothing at the TSA will catch that. Good idea, that sounds like a plan.
  
  Also, I don't give a shit about privacy on the MMW machines. I'm talking about the fucking backscatter X Ray machines, the ones that will give you cancer. Putting privacy filters isn't going to stop your DNA from being screwed up.

  clearly the underwear bomber and shoe bomber were forced to use a technique that was a little too complicated and failed. sounds like the overall security system worked.
• Glory Days

  

  tk421;1025140 wrote:lol, you go right on being a fucking sheep. I'm done arguing with you. Clearly nothing will every penetrate your brain, you think everything the government is doing is for your "protection".

  oh sorry, you arent a sheep? you do know there are sheep on both sides right? keep believing everything is bad for you and the government is out to get you. maybe when you come up with an argument that actually makes sense backed with facts, i might believe you.
• I Wear Pants

  Facts like we are no more safe because of these methods, have spent billions of dollars on them, are arguably getting harmful doses of radiation, and everyone suffers because of it. Who's winning in this scenario? Us or the ever elusive and absurdly vague "the terrorists?"
• Glory Days

  

  I Wear Pants;1026750 wrote:Facts like we are no more safe because of these methods, have spent billions of dollars on them, are arguably getting harmful doses of radiation, and everyone suffers because of it. Who's winning in this scenario? Us or the ever elusive and absurdly vague "the terrorists?"

  not one of those are fact.
• I Wear Pants

  We have spent billions, we are arguably getting harmful doses of radiation (arguably being the word that makes it a fact).
• Glory Days

  

  I Wear Pants;1027111 wrote:We have spent billions, we are arguably getting harmful doses of radiation (arguably being the word that makes it a fact).

  billions on what? we have only spent millions on the machines according to the article i posted a few posts ago. and just because people think or question the radiation levels or whatever does not make it fact. not only that, most scientists believe its not harmful, however they would like to be able to test it themselves which they arent allowed to do.
• I Wear Pants

  We have spent hundreds of millions on the scanners. Do you really doubt the TSA has cost us billions?