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Slippery Slope - Anything For Safety

  • I Wear Pants
    fish82;1007158 wrote:I'm speaking of proven successful methods such as:

    1. Hardcore ethnic and behavioral profiling at the ticket counter/checkpoint.

    B. Utilizing intellegence methods (yes, I'm speaking about the eeeeevil Patriot Act) to pinpoint and take out the perps before they get to the airport.

    Bottom line, at least one of these two methods are a MUST if true security is to be achieved. If you're not willing to do what it takes to get them prior to arriving at the airport, then sans ticket counter/checkpoint profiling, you're farked.
    How many of our rights are you willing to sign away to be "safe"?
  • fish82
    I Wear Pants;1007559 wrote:How many of our rights are you willing to sign away to be "safe"?
    That's a different topic. I'm merely telling you what it will take for safety to be achieved. But since you asked, I haven't experienced anything over the past 10 years that makes me feel like I'm missing any of my "rights." My life is pretty much as it was.
  • I Wear Pants
    fish82;1007652 wrote:That's a different topic. I'm merely telling you what it will take for safety to be achieved. But since you asked, I haven't experienced anything over the past 10 years that makes me feel like I'm missing any of my "rights." My life is pretty much as it was.
    Lol, you think "safety" can be achieved by taking these sorts of measures against our citizens instead of having better foreign policy and intelligence work.
  • fish82
    I Wear Pants;1008621 wrote:Lol, you think "safety" can be achieved by taking these sorts of measures against our citizens instead of having better foreign policy and intelligence work.
    I already listed intelligence work. Did you miss that? Like I said, I'm merely pointing out what it will take to achieve "safety" (why you keep putting that in quotes escapes me lol) at the airport. My knowledge base in airport security is slightly larger than the average bear. ;)
  • I Wear Pants
    Because the idea that we can be safe throught these methods is insane. They aren't actually promoting what is traditionally considered safety. Thus the quotes.
  • tk421
    http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21006143113012/local-mayor-wants-ban-on-airport-body-scanners/

    I know I shouldn't laugh, but you can't help but find the stupidity funny. I don't really feel all that sorry for the TSA workers, you are standing next to a giant X Ray machine and you don't think you might end up with health problems? The scanners have been banned in Europe, but of course we know better in this country.
    Broward County's mayor wants to get rid of certain airport security body scanners that may be a health risk at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood Airport.

    The advanced imaging technology machines used at security check points at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport uses radiation while scanning passengers.

    The problem Mayor John Rodstrom has with these particular scanners is the potential health risk to South Florida flyers. "The Europeans have outlawed them. I don't think they do things lightly, and I want to know if our flying public is safe," said Rodstrom.

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    TSA employees at Boston's Logan International Airport, which use the same scanners, are reporting that they have an inordinately high number of TSA screeners that now have cancer. These employees stand next to the scanners throughout their shifts.


    The TSA released a statement regarding the question of health risks from the body scanners saying in part, "All results from independent scientific evaluations confirm that these machines are safe for all passengers."

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    lol, I'm sorry but you get what you deserve.
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  • sleeper
    They need to get rid of these elaborate scanners and pat downs. The whole thing is a joke.
  • Glory Days
    tk421;1014488 wrote:http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21006143113012/local-mayor-wants-ban-on-airport-body-scanners/

    I know I shouldn't laugh, but you can't help but find the stupidity funny. I don't really feel all that sorry for the TSA workers, you are standing next to a giant X Ray machine and you don't think you might end up with health problems? The scanners have been banned in Europe, but of course we know better in this country.





    lol, I'm sorry but you get what you deserve.
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    What do you expect the screeners just quit their jobs because after years of no one caring about them, now they are the center of "controversy". yeah, they got what they deserve....right.
  • BGFalcons82
    Glory Days;1014632 wrote:What do you expect the screeners just quit their jobs because after years of no one caring about them, now they are the center of "controversy". yeah, they got what they deserve....right.
    I don't think he was referring to the screeners themselves, but to the TSA as a whole in investing in cronyism to purchase the dam things and then the fact they are unsafe. The TSA is promulgating "safety" with their scanners and yet they are more unsafe than any security they provide. Dark irony, eh?

    For me...what about the frequent fliers that have actually had radiation passed through them hundreds, if not thousands, of times? What is their recourse? Aren't they just as likely to be cancer-stricken from these death-machines? Or would you surmise that is the cost of freedom and safety for all....to have a death sentence pronounced upon those who are kept "safe" from harm?
  • tk421
    I think the TSA is completely aware that these machines aren't safe. Follow the money, look who is getting paid by the contracts for these machines. Let me pose a question. If I go to the doctor to get an x ray or to the dentist, why does s/he cover me in an iron quilt and run behind a 3 foot thick metal wall?

    These people are standing right next to a giant x ray machine with no protection at all, the TSA won't even let them wear dosimeters. If the machines are truly "safe", what's the harm in allowing the TSA employees to demonstrate that by wearing a device that would show that there isn't any radiation? No matter how bad it was, no matter how much I needed money I wouldn't work for the TSA, and you couldn't get me to go through one of those machines if my life depened on it. Expect tons more cases of cancer reported in 1-2 years.
  • tk421
    Glory Days;1014632 wrote:What do you expect the screeners just quit their jobs because after years of no one caring about them, now they are the center of "controversy". yeah, they got what they deserve....right.
    It's hard to care about an agency that is hated as much or more than the IRS. These are the front line government employees touching and groping travelers everyday. No, I don't really care all that much about them. If they get cancer and have to live with that, that's not my problem. The union (ha) should actually try and do something for its members.
  • pmoney25
    As a Cancer Survivor myself, I would not wish that upon anyone.

    That being said I agree with tk421 that there is a reason why when you go to the dr. they put that iron quilt on you and they get the hell out of the room. Noone should be exposed to those machines without protection for that many times.

    But at least we are safe from the terrorists now
  • Glory Days
    well at the doctors and dentist, the xrays see to my bones. airport scanners dont see that deep. probably why there is a difference, however i didnt stay at a holiday inn last night.
  • I Wear Pants
    Glory Days;1015074 wrote:well at the doctors and dentist, the xrays see to my bones. airport scanners dont see that deep. probably why there is a difference, however i didnt stay at a holiday inn last night.
    Yes, only some of your flesh is irradiated. That makes it much better....
  • I Wear Pants
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    But but but...we have to protect against the pirates. Same tactics different topic. Doesn't solve the problem in the least and fucks over lots of people. Just like scanners and shit.
  • fish82
    While I get how tempting it is to break out the torches & pitchforks at the drop of a hat...I'd like to see some slightly more concrete data than a bunch of BOS screeners saying, "hey, some of us have cancer, it must be those machines!"
  • tk421
    I just don't understand how anyone needs a study done on this, they are completely unprotected huge man size x ray machines. Why would anyone that has any sense at all think that would be safe at all? I don't care if they don't "penetrate" to the bone, they still are powerful enough to see through clothing and skin, and are operated by McDonald's flunkies with maybe 3 days training. You wouldn't go to the doctor and let these idiots give you an x ray, why is it OK just because you are going on a plane?
  • fish82
    tk421;1015584 wrote:I just don't understand how anyone needs a study done on this, they are completely unprotected huge man size x ray machines. Why would anyone that has any sense at all think that would be safe at all? I don't care if they don't "penetrate" to the bone, they still are powerful enough to see through clothing and skin, and are operated by McDonald's flunkies with maybe 3 days training. You wouldn't go to the doctor and let these idiots give you an x ray, why is it OK just because you are going on a plane?
    You make a couple semi valid points, but there's still no proof the machines were the cause, or even how many cases were actually talking about.
  • Glory Days
    tk421;1015584 wrote:I just don't understand how anyone needs a study done on this, they are completely unprotected huge man size x ray machines. Why would anyone that has any sense at all think that would be safe at all? I don't care if they don't "penetrate" to the bone, they still are powerful enough to see through clothing and skin, and are operated by McDonald's flunkies with maybe 3 days training. You wouldn't go to the doctor and let these idiots give you an x ray, why is it OK just because you are going on a plane?
    better not use a cell phone, laptop, desktop, tv, or just flat out breath. and actually, when you goto the doctor, the doctor doesnt give you the xray. his "nurse" who went to the local community college because she dropped out, had 3 kids, divorced and decided to go back to school did :) see how that works.
  • tk421
    Glory Days;1015707 wrote:better not use a cell phone, laptop, desktop, tv, or just flat out breath. and actually, when you goto the doctor, the doctor doesnt give you the xray. his "nurse" who went to the local community college because she dropped out, had 3 kids, divorced and decided to go back to school did :) see how that works.
    Yes, because a cell phone, laptop, desktop, or a TV are a valid comparison to these things. You're right, it's exactly the same thing. No different at all, why would anyone think they might be dangerous? I'm glad I have you all online to give me the good news.

  • I Wear Pants
    Glory Days;1015707 wrote:better not use a cell phone, laptop, desktop, tv, or just flat out breath. and actually, when you goto the doctor, the doctor doesnt give you the xray. his "nurse" who went to the local community college because she dropped out, had 3 kids, divorced and decided to go back to school did :) see how that works.
    An xray technician has many times more training than the TSA people.
  • Glory Days
    I Wear Pants;1016041 wrote:An xray technician has many times more training than the TSA people.
    So a certificate that can be completed in 1 year and passing a state exam is "many times more"? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha
  • Glory Days
    tk421;1015876 wrote:Yes, because a cell phone, laptop, desktop, or a TV are a valid comparison to these things. You're right, it's exactly the same thing. No different at all, why would anyone think they might be dangerous? I'm glad I have you all online to give me the good news.

    you use your cell phone and laptop every day for many hours. i have yet to pass through a xray screener in my life. and unless you travel everyday for business, most people wont. but you tell me which one will probably mess with your health more.
  • I Wear Pants
    Glory Days;1016473 wrote:So a certificate that can be completed in 1 year and passing a state exam is "many times more"? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha
    Yes.

    Are you seriously fucking arguing that a few days training from some TSA douche is comparable to a year of schooling and a state exam?
  • I Wear Pants
    "The DOJ found that over a two year period, officers committed civil rights violations in one out of every five of the 500 to 600 incidents a year where officers used force."

    http://publicola.com/2011/12/15/department-of-justice-to-hammer-seattle-police-for-use-of-force/