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  • I Wear Pants
    Glory Days;945100 wrote:justify what? a dumb idea by the school principle or the drug search a school? one was really dumb, the other was completely legal and has been for quite some time.
    The dumb idea of course. You don't tell everyone that there's a god damned gunman in the school. You just use your normal lockdown drill and then have the dogs come in while you do so.
  • O-Trap
    "because one person is in charge of the nation. just like ONE person(the same person in charge of the country) is in charge of giving the order to launch a nuclear weapon, no matter how many people it takes to turn the key."

    Damn, and I thought that one person was just in charge of the Executive Branch.

    My old U. S. Government teacher needs fired, then, for lying to students about the Legislative and Judicial branches being equal to the Executive Branch. ;)
  • Glory Days
    I Wear Pants;946087 wrote:The dumb idea of course. You don't tell everyone that there's a god damned gunman in the school. You just use your normal lockdown drill and then have the dogs come in while you do so.
    that guy was just an idiot.
  • I Wear Pants
    Glory Days;946251 wrote:that guy was just an idiot.
    I guess I only have a problem with the cops in that situation if they knew how the principle would be clearing the halls. If they knew he was going to do it that way they should have fuggin tased him until he came to his senses.

    By the way, what do you think of the video I posted in the OWS thread of a cop throwing a flash bang into a group of people trying to help what looked like a lady who had fallen or gotten injured.
  • gut
    I Wear Pants;946254 wrote: By the way, what do you think of the video I posted in the OWS thread of a cop throwing a flash bang into a group of people trying to help what looked like a lady who had fallen or gotten injured.
    I think when cops order you to disburse and you refuse, you're asking for whatever pain comes your way.

    It's fitting, if not a little ironic, that the same stupidity & attitudes that has these people in the - let's be realistic - bottom 20% is also why they are smarting off to the cops and getting their ass kicked.
  • I Wear Pants
    gut;946398 wrote:I think when cops order you to disburse and you refuse, you're asking for whatever pain comes your way.

    It's fitting, if not a little ironic, that the same stupidity & attitudes that has these people in the - let's be realistic - bottom 20% is also why they are smarting off to the cops and getting their ass kicked.
    Oh yes the good old "anything is justified because you didn't listen to x" argument.
  • O-Trap
    I Wear Pants;946503 wrote:Oh yes the good old "anything is justified because you didn't listen to x" argument.
    I personally draw a distinction between deserving it and expecting it.

    They didn't deserve it, but they're dumb if they didn't expect it after not heeding the warning.

    If an asshole at a bar tells me my bar stool is "his," and I ignore him, he might try to kick my ass. I don't deserve it, as it's the establishment's stool, but I should expect him to do something belligerent. To think otherwise would be naive.
  • gut
    I Wear Pants;946503 wrote:Oh yes the good old "anything is justified because you didn't listen to x" argument.
    Didn't say if it was justified or not, although it's a large crowd and it might not have been clear there was an injured people in that growing mass of malcontents. Certainly didn't take dozens of people to help whoever fell - that's a crowd not disbursing. Blame the cop. Fine. I say the conversation mostly begins and ends with those people being dumbasses.

    At the end of the day, you follow orders you don't usually get your ass beat. This is almost always true, and certainly in this case.
  • gut
    O-Trap;946513 wrote: They didn't deserve it, but they're dumb if they didn't expect it after not heeding the warning.
    My point exactly. You were just more clear and succinct.
  • I Wear Pants
    And the asshole is still the asshole in that situation even though you ignored his warning.

    This is relevant:
    http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=message_to_cops

    Glory Days :)
  • dwccrew
    BGFalcons82;945886 wrote:The only place I can think of is in the battlefield. Not sure if they are "in control of an aspect of society", but they are in control of their situation and they are highly efficient when given the proper orders to engage and destroy the enemy. If they are being used as food-distributors (Haiti), mediators/negotiators (Afghanistan), or "Advice and consult" missions (Uganda)...then they are far more inefficient.
    As you point out, "when the proper orders are given". Sadly, the proper orders are not often given, which is why the US hasn't been very efficient in eradicating a once rag tag bunch of militants. Now it has evolved into a decade long battle. If they let the soldiers do their job and didn't allow politics to dictate military strategy, this thing would have been over 9 years ago.
  • dwccrew
    I Wear Pants;946254 wrote:I guess I only have a problem with the cops in that situation if they knew how the principle would be clearing the halls. If they knew he was going to do it that way they should have fuggin tased him until he came to his senses.

    By the way, what do you think of the video I posted in the OWS thread of a cop throwing a flash bang into a group of people trying to help what looked like a lady who had fallen or gotten injured.
    I'm going to be a spelling and grammar nazi for a second since I keep seeing the incorrect form of a word used. Principle is something you believe in. Principal is a school admin.

    Carry on.
  • Glory Days
    I Wear Pants;946518 wrote:And the asshole is still the asshole in that situation even though you ignored his warning.

    This is relevant:
    http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=message_to_cops

    Glory Days :)
    i enjoy reading that stuff. its even more fun when i run into those types of people on the job.
  • I Wear Pants
    dwccrew;946546 wrote:I'm going to be a spelling and grammar nazi for a second since I keep seeing the incorrect form of a word used. Principle is something you believe in. Principal is a school admin.

    Carry on.
    BOOM!!!

    I feel like such an IDIOT now. :) Well done.
  • O-Trap
    I Wear Pants;946518 wrote:And the asshole is still the asshole in that situation
    Yep. Sure is.
  • BGFalcons82
    It must be bad if the LA Times is turning on the one we've been waiting for - http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinionla/la-ed-secrets-20111031,0,273702.story

    If you believe it is in Barry's best interests to hide things and lie to the American people, try this trick: Whenever you read his name, say, "Nixon", out loud. See if you think can think differently by changing the name of the dictator-in-chief.
  • I Wear Pants
    http://www.kcra.com/r/29847063/detail.html
    Gray says the school, Rio Calaveras Elementary of Stockton, wanted to change that behavior by having Michael meet with a school police officer.

    "He could come out and talk to Michael and the kids are normally scared straight," said Gray, describing how she says the school district proposed the meeting.

    But the meeting didn't go as planned.

    Gray says Michael was agitated when the officer entered the room, and the whole meeting ended with Michael arrested and cuffed, with zip ties on his hands and his feet.

    "I was led to believe that Michael saw a police officer and attacked a police officer on sight," said Gray, adding that that's not what happened.

    She knows because she ultimately obtained a copy of the police report.

    In it, the officer, Lt. Frank Gordo, says he placed his hand on Michael's and, "the boy pushed my hand away in a batting motion, pushed papers off the table, and kicked me in the right knee."

    When Michael wouldn't calm down, Gordo cuffed Michael's hands and feet with zip ties and took the boy to the Stockton Kaiser Psychiatric Hospital in the back of a squad car.

    He had not called Michael's mother or father at that point.Michael was cited for battery on a police officer.[LEFT]
    Read more: http://www.kcra.com/news/29847063/detail.html#ixzz1fAcQaSjk    [/LEFT]
    There's something very wrong with that. Our children should feel safe around police, not be scared shitless.
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  • fish82
    I Wear Pants;946518 wrote:And the **** is still the **** in that situation even though you ignored his warning.

    This is relevant:
    http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=message_to_cops

    Glory Days :)
    I'd submit that as long as you people actually obey the law...most cops couldn't care less about your whiny little internet pages.
  • WebFire
    I Wear Pants;994353 wrote:http://www.kcra.com/r/29847063/detail.html

    There's something very wrong with that. Our children should feel safe around police, not be scared shitless.
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    Depends on why they are talking to them. If they are scared shitless, that means they respect that police.
  • Glory Days
    I Wear Pants;994353 wrote:http://www.kcra.com/r/29847063/detail.html

    There's something very wrong with that. Our children should feel safe around police, not be scared shitless.
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    pepper spray would have solved this problem :p
  • I Wear Pants
    fish82;994401 wrote:I'd submit that as long as you people actually obey the law...most cops couldn't care less about your whiny little internet pages.
    That's a view that enables tyranny.
    WebFire;994448 wrote:Depends on why they are talking to them. If they are scared shitless, that means they respect that police.
    No, it means they are afraid of their government. Fear doesn't= respect. Oftentimes it indicates a complete lack of respect.

    Jews in WWII Germany sure as hell didn't respect the Nazis, but they feared them.

    Not equating police to Nazis, just showing that fear does not indicate respect.
  • I Wear Pants
    Glory Days;994477 wrote:pepper spray would have solved this problem :p
    Yes you're right, we should start using it on police. :D
  • fish82
    I Wear Pants;995052 wrote:That's a view that enables tyranny.
    Obeying the fucking law "enables tyranny?" :rolleyes:

    Guess what? I've received a ticket for a 3 am rolling stop in my own neighborhood, just like your whiny little buddy in his article. I paid my ticket and moved on with my life, sans tears or excessive pissing/moaning about it. I submit that if more of you people followed my example, the world would be a better place.

    Oh, and guess what I do at that stop sign now? I stop. See how that works?
  • WebFire
    I Wear Pants;995052 wrote:That's a view that enables tyranny.


    No, it means they are afraid of their government. Fear doesn't= respect. Oftentimes it indicates a complete lack of respect.

    Jews in WWII Germany sure as hell didn't respect the Nazis, but they feared them.

    Not equating police to Nazis, just showing that fear does not indicate respect.
    You are off your rocker. Comparing scaring some troubled kids to Jews and Hitler.
  • I Wear Pants
    WebFire;995127 wrote:You are off your rocker. Comparing scaring some troubled kids to Jews and Hitler.
    You obviously have trouble seeing or skipped over the part where I said "Not equating police to Nazis".