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Is this close to the truth?

  • Writerbuckeye
    tcarrier32;735971 wrote:how did all of this get started, and has this ever been an issue before?

    i for one refuse to believe that either of the Bush's were Americans.

    Well, unlike Mr. Obama, both Bush's opened up almost all of their records WHILE THEY WERE RUNNING and let the media and others have full access to what they did in their lives prior to politics. And I'm sure that included their birth certificates.

    You want people to stop looking closely at you? Simply open everything up and show you have nothing to hide.
  • O-Trap
    dwccrew;735863 wrote:I think you mean Clinton and "Whitewater". Watergate was Nixon's scandal.
    Damnit. I KNEW I mixed them up when I thought about it on the drive home from work.

    It was a scandal. There was "water" involved in the name. :D
    Writerbuckeye;735972 wrote:Well, unlike Mr. Obama, both Bush's opened up almost all of their records WHILE THEY WERE RUNNING and let the media and others have full access to what they did in their lives prior to politics. And I'm sure that included their birth certificates.

    You want people to stop looking closely at you? Simply open everything up and show you have nothing to hide.
    I'm pretty sure GW was from another planet. ;)
  • derek bomar
    ok...maybe I am confused, buttttttttttttttttttt

    "If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
    the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[6] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
    at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States

    this sounds to me like he's a citizen... regardless if he was born in Kenya. Am I wrong, or drunk?
  • majorspark
    derek bomar;735975 wrote:ok...maybe I am confused, buttttttttttttttttttt

    "If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
    the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[6] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
    at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States

    this sounds to me like he's a citizen... regardless if he was born in Kenya. Am I wrong, or drunk?
    You are drunk.
  • I Wear Pants
    Writerbuckeye;735966 wrote:I worked at a newspaper and took birth announcements over the phone. Nobody asked to see a birth certificate, so the fact that it ran in a newspaper is meaningless.
    Yes, but why would they go to all that trouble?

    From 8 U.S.C. 1401
    The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
    (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
    (b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
    (c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
    (d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
    Does D apply here?
  • O-Trap
    majorspark;735980 wrote:You are drunk.

    Actually, what he said makes sense, based on that article. Now if that article cites a reliable source, then I'm thinking this is a bunch of hubbub for nothing.
  • I Wear Pants
    http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.f6da51a2342135be7e9d7a10e0dc91a0/?vgnextoid=fa7e539dc4bed010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCRD&vgnextchannel=fa7e539dc4bed010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCRD&CH=act

    INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH
    (g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years
    Reliable enough? Bet Obama made that one up too.
  • dwccrew
    Obama is a muslim born Kenyan. Or a Kenyan born muslim. Either way, he obviously scammed his way into the white house.
  • majorspark
    O-Trap;735983 wrote:Actually, what he said makes sense, based on that article. Now if that article cites a reliable source, then I'm thinking this is a bunch of hubbub for nothing.

    My post flew over your head. He asked if he was wrong or drunk. I responded that he was drunk. Affirming that he was just drunk and not wrong.
  • majorspark
    tcarrier32;735971 wrote:how did all of this get started, and has this ever been an issue before?
    It started during the 2008 presidential campaign with rabid nutbag Hillary supporters hoping to derail Obama's imminent nomination as the democrat party's candidate for president. Some on the right are trying to pick up the ball and run with it.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-02-08/the-secret-history-of-the-birthers/#
  • I Wear Pants
    majorspark;735989 wrote:My post flew over your head. He asked if he was wrong or drunk. I responded that he was drunk. Affirming that he was just drunk and not wrong.
    Yeah, I almost posted a reply and then was all "oh, haha".

    The subtlety is what I liked about your post.
  • believer
    On the Right we have "Yo Obama...we don't think you're legally eligible to be POTUS. We have a right to see your birth documentation."

    On the Left we have, "You birthers just don't like Obama 'cause is black."

    Frankly I don't give a rat's ass one way or another but the part that makes me scratch my head is the amount of money, time, and effort on the part of the Obamanistas to NOT cough-up irrefutable documentation proving BHO's alleged Constitutionally valid citizenship....at least the level of citizenship that allows him to be POTUS. I'm with Trump on this issue.

    The best the disciples of the Anointed One can do is use the tried and true race card option to deflect the questions rather than simply coming clean on the issue.
  • O-Trap
    majorspark;735989 wrote:My post flew over your head. He asked if he was wrong or drunk. I responded that he was drunk. Affirming that he was just drunk and not wrong.

    Ah. It was past my bedtime. :D
  • BoatShoes
    believer;736001 wrote:On the Right we have "Yo Obama...we don't think you're legally eligible to be POTUS. We have a right to see your birth documentation."

    On the Left we have, "You birthers just don't like Obama 'cause is black."

    Frankly I don't give a rat's ass one way or another but the part that makes me scratch my head is the amount of money, time, and effort on the part of the Obamanistas to NOT cough-up irrefutable documentation proving BHO's alleged Constitutionally valid citizenship....at least the level of citizenship that allows him to be POTUS. I'm with Trump on this issue.

    The best the disciples of the Anointed One can do is use the tried and true race card option to deflect the questions rather than simply coming clean on the issue.

    I don't care because I thought this was handled. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

    Plus, Barry's Mom was a U.S. citizen
  • fish82
    BoatShoes;736023 wrote:I don't care because I thought this was handled. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

    Plus, Barry's Mom was a U.S. citizen
    That's a copy generated by the state. The birthers want the long form certificate generated at the hospital. The fact that no one can seem to lay their hands on it is what's keeping them circling.
  • O-Trap
    BoatShoes;736023 wrote:Plus, Barry's Mom was a U.S. citizen
    She was, yes. I wish the Snopes article would've mentioned that. I just read through it, and strangely, it never mentions either parent as a U. S. citizen.

    Make no mistake, I know she was. Merely pointing out that I thought that omission was odd.
  • I Wear Pants
    believer;736001 wrote:On the Right we have "Yo Obama...we don't think you're legally eligible to be POTUS. We have a right to see your birth documentation."

    On the Left we have, "You birthers just don't like Obama 'cause is black."

    Frankly I don't give a rat's ass one way or another but the part that makes me scratch my head is the amount of money, time, and effort on the part of the Obamanistas to NOT cough-up irrefutable documentation proving BHO's alleged Constitutionally valid citizenship....at least the level of citizenship that allows him to be POTUS. I'm with Trump on this issue.

    The best the disciples of the Anointed One can do is use the tried and true race card option to deflect the questions rather than simply coming clean on the issue    .
    Or they can use a law showing that he's a citizen by birth.

    The race card thing is stupid though. Birthers might be idiots (before you freak out notice I said might) but that doesn't mean they are a per se racist.
  • tsst_fballfan
    I'll throw some gas on the fire.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/07/trump-sends-investigators-hawaii-gains-gop-presidential-primary-poll/?test=latestnews
  • Footwedge
    If these investigators come back empty handed....would love to see the Donald say "you're fired".
  • Prescott
    I honestly believe that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

    I don't understand why his birth certificate hasn't been produced. What the hell is the big deal?? Trump had his delivered via FEDEX in a matter of hours.It isn't that difficult.
  • derek bomar
    Anyone ever think Obama isn't producing it just to make these other people look like morons?
  • Prescott
    Anyone ever think Obama isn't producing it just to make these other people look like morons?
    If Trump is accurate in saying millions have been spent to keep the birth certificate off the record, it is an expensive ploy.
  • O-Trap
    derek bomar;736089 wrote:Anyone ever think Obama isn't producing it just to make these other people look like morons?
    I would certainly hope not. That would be incredibly petty and unprofessional.
  • tsst_fballfan
    O-Trap;736095 wrote:I would certainly hope not. That would be incredibly petty and unprofessional.
    I was thinking more like unpresidential!
  • O-Trap
    tsst_fballfan;736100 wrote:I was thinking more like unpresidential!

    Unfortunately, I think that it's VERY presidential.