Is this close to the truth?

• O-Trap

  

  tk421;735771 wrote:Only if she registered his birth with the appropriate U.S. embassy, I believe.

  
  I've always been curious about this. What if he's born in international waters, on a personally owned boat, and there is no embassy?
  
  Not the case, I know. I'm just curious.
• tk421

  

  O-Trap;735774 wrote:I've always been curious about this. What if he's born in international waters, on a personally owned boat, and there is no embassy?
  
  Not the case, I know. I'm just curious.

  
  I don't know. I'd assume if a U.S. citizen has a child in international waters, like on a cruise or something, they could probably inform their home embassy. I'm not sure what would happen.
  
  I looked here and although it doesn't say anything about international waters, it says to report to the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate.
  
  http://travel.state.gov/law/family_issues/birth/birth_593.html
• Writerbuckeye

  

  I Wear Pants;735743 wrote:They'd say it was fake no matter what he showed you or no matter who said the documents were real.

  
  Nope. If the State of Hawaii produced the document, I'd believe it.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Prescott;735704 wrote:April 7, 2011
  
  Read more: Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1Iro6dUcz
  
  I understand a certificate of live birth has been given as proof. Is that correct?
  
  
  Jamiaca Hospital of New York City
  
  The document released to Newsmax is below. It shows that Trump was born in New York, June 14, 1946.
  http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/donaldtrump-birthcertificate-newsmax/2011/03/28/id/390930
  
  The link below clearly proves that Trump was born in the United States of America.
  http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/TrumpCertificate2.pdf

  
  
• tk421

  

  I've got another question to pose. What about Haiti? We had an aircraft carrier parked down there for a significant amount of time. If aircraft carriers are considered U.S. soil, would a baby born on the ship be a U.S. citizen? Even if both parents are Haitian? I have no idea if any kids were born while they were down there, just a hypothetical.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  One little question about John McCain and wasn't there a congressional investigation of sorts? lol
  I just find that sorta funny.
• stlouiedipalma

  Wow! I didn't realize that so many of you are Birthers. You may deny it, but your actions prove otherwise.
  
  I think the root of Pitts' column is that the depiction of Obama "not being like us" is simply code for "he's a N*****". Let's face it, it's out there, whether spoken or not. I remember when he was running for the nomination and several of my former co-workers told me they would "never vote for a N*****". I really thought that we had gotten beyond all that, but apparently we haven't. Those who choose to de-legitimize his citizenship are simply using one thing in place of another. You may be against his policies or his politics, but to keep raising the birth thing tells me that you haven't gotten past the fact that he was elected President. Pitts simply chose to put it in words that many have thought of but don't use in mixed company.
• O-Trap

  

  stlouiedipalma;735818 wrote:Wow! I didn't realize that so many of you are Birthers. You may deny it, but your actions prove otherwise.
  
  I think the root of Pitts' column is that the depiction of Obama "not being like us" is simply code for "he's a N*****". Let's face it, it's out there, whether spoken or not. I remember when he was running for the nomination and several of my former co-workers told me they would "never vote for a N*****". I really thought that we had gotten beyond all that, but apparently we haven't. Those who choose to de-legitimize his citizenship are simply using one thing in place of another. You may be against his policies or his politics, but to keep raising the birth thing tells me that you haven't gotten past the fact that he was elected President. Pitts simply chose to put it in words that many have thought of but don't use in mixed company.

  
  I, for one, am not a birther. However, I don't think "he's not from here" is equitable to a racial issue. I think it's more a "He's not my candidate, and I don't like him, so I'm gonna find a reason why he shouldn't be president."
  
  I honestly think it would be the same if he was an elderly white man who *might* be from Poland, so long as he was still a Democrat.
• stlouiedipalma

  O-Trap;735820 wrote:I, for one, am not a birther. However, I don't think "he's not from here" is equitable to a racial issue. I think it's more a "He's not my candidate, and I don't like him, so I'm gonna find a reason why he shouldn't be president."
  
  I honestly think it would be the same if he was an elderly white man who *might* be from Poland, so long as he was still a Democrat.

  
  Do you really believe that?
• fish82

  

  stlouiedipalma;735822 wrote:Do you really believe that?

  Absolutely. Either side would be using this issue balls out regardless of skin color if they smelled blood in the water.
• O-Trap

  

  stlouiedipalma;735822 wrote:Do you really believe that?

  I believe that would be the majority, yes.
  
  Look at how much many Republicans seemed to hate President Clinton when he was in office, and how "Watergate" was thrown around constantly. If the scandal had instead been that he was not a citizen, you don't think they would have been using that?
  
  Yes, there are some racists. I'm not saying that those don't exist, and they might be using this as well (though I honestly think you'll hear them banging the "He's a Muslim" drum more than this one), but if I had to put my money somewhere, I'd bet this is used more out of blind partisanship than racism.
• O-Trap

  

  fish82;735826 wrote:Absolutely. Either side would be using this issue balls out regardless of skin color if they smelled blood in the water.

  
  Bingo. Scandal is scandal, and if your side lost the last election, you're going to be grasping at whatever straws you can.
• dwccrew

  

  O-Trap;735827 wrote:Look at how much many Republicans seemed to hate President Clinton when he was in office, and how "Watergate" was thrown around constantly. If the scandal had instead been that he was not a citizen, you don't think they would have been using that?
  

  
  I think you mean Clinton and "Whitewater". Watergate was Nixon's scandal.
• majorspark

  

  stlouiedipalma;735818 wrote:I think the root of Pitts' column is that the depiction of Obama "not being like us" is simply code for "he's a N*****". Let's face it, it's out there, whether spoken or not. I remember when he was running for the nomination and several of my former co-workers told me they would "never vote for a N*****". I really thought that we had gotten beyond all that, but apparently we haven't. Those who choose to de-legitimize his citizenship are simply using one thing in place of another. You may be against his policies or his politics, but to keep raising the birth thing tells me that you haven't gotten past the fact that he was elected President. Pitts simply chose to put it in words that many have thought of but don't use in mixed company.

  Do you really believe this? If you do you look as foolish as the author of the column.
  

  stlouiedipalma;735822 wrote:Do you really believe that?

  Why wouldn't he? For example: A 2007 Rasmussen poll showed 61% of democrats believed the white male George Bush and his white male side kick Dick Cheney, planned, had foreknowledge, or were not convinced they were not involved (unsure) in the attacks on 9/11. 42% of democrats beleived the white male duo planned or had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks in a Zogby poll. Sounds like code for honky, cracker, redneck, or maybe gringo. I am glad you don't have to use **** for derogatory white slang.
  
  http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2007/09/42-of-democrats-think-bush-had-something-to-do-with-9-11/
  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance
  
  No this is not a race thing. It is a partisan thing. Plain and simple.
• Footwedge

  I'm still waiting for Barry to implement Sharia law. I know it's coming....just a matter of time. Just ask Michael Savage.
• LJ

  

  Ty Webb;735685 wrote: 2.Trump's Birth Certificate lists Jamaica as his birthplace,therefor he is not able to serve

  
  
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Here's my theory on all this, louie: The people who KEEP BRINGING RACE INTO EVERYTHING ARE RACISTS.
  
  That's not people like me and the others on here who wonder why an otherwise intelligent, Ivy League educated man would spend so much time (not his but others) and money trying to hide so much of his past life (college documents, transcripts, etc.) so wondering why he's so defensive about a birth certificate isn't far behind.
  
  But race? Nope.
  
  The only racists I see in these debates are the people who keep bringing race into EVERY discussion. They're obsessed with it.
• sleeper

  

  Obama is a terrible president, worse than Bush. Whether he's from this country or not, the guy needs to be impeached before he ruins anymore of America.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  This thread just makes me shake my head.
  There are way more important issues than these. Come on.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  ptown_trojans_1;735937 wrote:This thread just makes me shake my head.
  There are way more important issues than these. Come on.

  But none quite so diverting!
• stlouiedipalma

  Exactly!
• Manhattan Buckeye

  I agree that the whole birther issue is just smoke and mirrors. But this administration is an absolute disaster. It seems to get worse and worse every day.
• I Wear Pants

  jhay78;735766 wrote:
  You don't have to be a "birther" or a nutcase to at least ask some questions about Obama's birth. The fact that millions have been spent to keep things under wraps is what is keeping this going.

  
  Yes you do. Millions can be spent on one damned press conference. You guys act like there are people out there sneaking around and using James Bond tactics to keep some giant secret under wraps. But pretty much anything the president does will be expensive by the very nature of it.
  
  I've yet to hear a birther explain how or why Obama's birth would be in the newspaper in Hawaii when he was born. Was there some conspiracy to make their son appear to be a US citizen in case he may ever want to, be qualified for, and get the support to run for president 50 years later?
• Writerbuckeye

  

  I Wear Pants;735955 wrote:Yes you do. Millions can be spent on one damned press conference. You guys act like there are people out there sneaking around and using James Bond tactics to keep some giant secret under wraps. But pretty much anything the president does will be expensive by the very nature of it.
  
  I've yet to hear a birther explain how or why Obama's birth would be in the newspaper in Hawaii when he was born. Was there some conspiracy to make their son appear to be a US citizen in case he may ever want to, be qualified for, and get the support to run for president 50 years later?

  
  I worked at a newspaper and took birth announcements over the phone. Nobody asked to see a birth certificate, so the fact that it ran in a newspaper is meaningless.
• tcarrier32

  

  how did all of this get started, and has this ever been an issue before?
  
  i for one refuse to believe that either of the Bush's were Americans.