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Wisconsin Teachers shut down schools for 2nd day to Protest Elimination of CBA

  • ptown_trojans_1
    QuakerOats;682771 wrote:My, my, my; where was the outrage on (p)msnbc last night regarding the dramatic lack of civility demonstrated by the protestors in Wisconsin. Imagine .... they even had signs comparing Walker to Hitler, but the 'network' decided to talk about something else.

    The Tea Party was blasted for their gatherings, but public unions get a free pass. A new ULTRA-low in reporting, and I thought they could not get any worse. Laughable.

    Shocker: I agree.
    I saw some of the signs, and while I'm sure they do not represent a majority of the protesters, it makes the lefties look like hypocrites.
  • Writerbuckeye
    ptown_trojans_1;682867 wrote:Shocker: I agree.
    I saw some of the signs, and while I'm sure they do not represent a majority of the protesters, it makes the lefties look like hypocrites.

    Did you notice any media coverage of that hateful rhetoric, P-town?

    Of course you didn't.

    I guarantee you had this been a Tea Party rally with signs like those, every network would have led their broadcasts with stories about the "dangerous rhetoric" and "hate" signs being displayed.

    That hypocrisy doesn't end with liberals at the protests.
  • CinciX12
    Why would the vote be allowed to be taken with only 1 Democratic senator present. Why wouldn't you need at least half of each party there?
  • Con_Alma
    CinciX12;682922 wrote:Why would the vote be allowed to be taken with only 1 Democratic senator present. Why wouldn't you need at least half of each party there?

    Why would it matter what percentage of party members were present? I would hope that a quorum would be what is required. This is interesting to me to learn how Wisconsin runs there House. I know the Senate leader had suggested he would bring it to the floor simply so that the debate may begin.
  • fan_from_texas
    People here are angry about the Ds leaving the state to avoid a vote. Wisconsin, which has traditionally been center-left, went overwhelmingly right in the last election. People were sending a message that they were tired of this sort of nonsense. And now Ds have responded by running away and refusing to bring something to vote--Walker ran on this in his campaign, so it's not a surprise. The people went for him in large because of his stance, and for the D senators to try to subvert the process is unbelievable. Many of us here are livid.
  • QuakerOats
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/17/AR2011021705494.html

    The president resorting back to his activist/agitator uprbringing by endorsing union thug tactics again. Are there any adults in his administration?
  • tsst_fballfan
    Why should they need any? They chose to leave, they weren't forced to.
  • Writerbuckeye
    QuakerOats;682948 wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/17/AR2011021705494.html

    The president resorting back to his activist/agitator uprbringing by endorsing union thug tactics again. Are there any adults in his administration?

    Yep. If an R had ever resorted to similar tactics, there would be calls for indictments for misuse of authority.
  • jhay78
    Nothing says "representative government" and "public servant" like members of one party running away to avoid a vote even being taken.

    This piece tries (miserably) to compare the GOP's efforts to slow down the vote on Obamacare (you know, so the 2000+ page piece of crap could be debated) to the recent actions by the cowardly jackasses in Wisconsin.

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/18/6079091-first-thoughts-upside-down

    This one's pretty good too: http://daily-journal.com/archives/dj/display.php?id=468468
    Erpenbach said the group had been in Rockford, Ill., but they dispersed by late afternoon.

    In response to a question of where she was, Sen. Lena Taylor sent a tweet saying she was "doing the people's business. Power to the PEOPLE."
    Bwahahahaha . . .
  • jhay78
    Not the first time this crap has happened:
    Thursday's events were reminiscent of a 2003 dispute in Texas, where Democrats twice fled the state to prevent adoption of a redistricting bill designed to give Republicans more seats in Congress. The bill passed a few months later.
    http://daily-journal.com/archives/dj/display.php?id=468468
  • jhay78
    How dare anyone in government say that someone can't be forced to pay for something they don't want to! How fascist of them!
    Unions still could represent workers, but could not seek pay increases above those pegged to the Consumer Price Index unless approved by a public referendum. Unions also could not force employees to pay dues and would have to hold annual votes to stay organized.
    To heck with the "voting to stay organized" crap! Employees should be FORCED to join unions and pay dues that go to Democrat politicians!
  • CenterBHSFan

    Under Walker's plan, most public workers - excluding police, firefighters and state troopers - would have to pay half of their pension costs and at least 12 percent of their health-care costs. They would lose bargaining rights for anything other than pay. Walker, who took office last month, says the emergency measure would save $300 million over the next two years to help close a $3.6 billion budget gap.

    I don't see how this is all that bad. Seriously, I do not.

    Plus, as somebody else listed above:


    Unions also could not force employees to pay dues and would have to hold annual votes to stay organized.


    What's the fear, here? Because I don't think it's all about the integrity of the jobs, people have skin in the game - they're looking out for #1 also. So... what's the REAL fear that's being blown up here?
  • stlouiedipalma
    Has anyone come up with how much the state of Wisconsin figures to save by doing this? Is it a budget issue or is it an attempt to break up what has been a traditionally strong means of delivering votes to Democratic candidates? If there are firm numbers to show a significant savings to the state budget, then I can better understand the rationale behind this move. If the savings are nil or insignificant, then I would have to categorize this action as purely political.
  • Gblock
    CenterBHSFan;683064 wrote:I don't see how this is all that bad. Seriously, I do not.

    Plus, as somebody else listed above:



    What's the fear, here? Because I don't think it's all about the integrity of the jobs, people have skin in the game - they're looking out for #1 also. So... what's the REAL fear that's being blown up here?

    this would put them more on a level with what we pay in ohio. we pay slightly more than that...they actually had a super sick deal
  • CenterBHSFan
    Louie,

    It would help save about 300mil. It is one of many things that are trying to be done in order to cut total costs.
  • stlouiedipalma
    Sorry, I made that last post without looking at the numbers which were quoted. Saving $300 million over a budget with a $3.6 billion deficit should go a long way toward balancing things, don't you think? If I had to guess, I'd say that Walker and Co. are doing this for the political advantage.
  • CenterBHSFan
    stlouiedipalma;683072 wrote:Sorry, I made that last post without looking at the numbers which were quoted. Saving $300 million over a budget with a $3.6 billion deficit should go a long way toward balancing things, don't you think? If I had to guess, I'd say that Walker and Co. are doing this for the political advantage.
    Your thoughts would make sense if that was the ONLY thing they were doing. The article clearly state that this bill "would help" save costs. Not be the only thing to save costs.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    "I'd say that Walker and Co. are doing this for the political advantage. "

    Or because they said they'd do it and got elected accordingly. We voted for "change" in 2008 and look what it got us. Wisconsin voted for change last year and likely expects politicians to do what they said they would. Having fractional elements ignoring fiscal realities isn't helpful for any political purpose, at least not long term. We're a sick country intoxicated from debt and entitlements.
  • stlouiedipalma
    Sorry, I don't see it that way. It looks to me as if the Wisconsin Republicans are using their numbers to strong-arm their agenda. Sound familiar?
  • CenterBHSFan
    stlouiedipalma;683087 wrote:Sorry, I don't see it that way. It looks to me as if the Wisconsin Republicans are using their numbers to strong-arm their agenda. Sound familiar?
    Why don't you see it that way, exactly? The article says it in black and white.


    to help close a $3.6 billion budget gap


    Logic tells us that if this bill is only going to save around 300 out of a 3billion dollar debt, it's not going to be near enough and more will have to be done. Not sure why you're not able to understand that, unless you're just predisposed not to. And if that's the case, that's fine with me.
  • redstreak one
    Careful louie, you posed a question against this type of bill in the wolfs den! Like I said on the other thread, and only got 1 response, what are the other plans? $300 is a lot of money, but it is 1/13th of the state of Wisconsins budget deficit!

    Like I also said on the other thread, I dont mind biting the bullet when it needs to, however I dont want to learn 3 years from now this was nothing more than a power grab!

    Center, I agree its a start. But man, where in the world are they going to find the other 3.5 Billion?
  • stlouiedipalma
    There's no doubt that they are trying to save money. I don't argue that point. It's just convenient that the one measure they have proposed thus far gets the pebble out of their shoe, so to speak.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    stlouiedipalma;683087 wrote:Sorry, I don't see it that way. It looks to me as if the Wisconsin Republicans are using their numbers to strong-arm their agenda. Sound familiar?

    They are the ones subverting the democratic process? They are the ones hiding out of state?

    Really?
  • stlouiedipalma
    Manhattan Buckeye;683104 wrote:They are the ones subverting the democratic process? They are the ones hiding out of state?

    Really?

    No, and I didn't say they were. I feel that the Democrats who fled are cowards. If they don't like the proposed bill they need to stand and fight by whatever legal means necessary, but running away never solves anything.
  • CenterBHSFan
    redstreak one;683099 wrote:Center, I agree its a start. But man, where in the world are they going to find the other 3.5 Billion?
    Not sure. Perhaps you can find a WI. legislature website that lists all the goals w/bills that they are going to introduce to vote?

    I don't really care all that much about Wisconsin. It just galled me (which I said on page one) that the democrat cowards ran away and hid from their job. A job that they were voted and trusted to do.
    Also, I asked a question a few posts up that I'd really be interested in hearing thoughts on.

    But, that's about it.