Wisconsin Teachers shut down schools for 2nd day to Protest Elimination of CBA

• BGFalcons82

  

  Looks like the cowards will have to pony up some cash - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110302/us_nm/us_wisconsin_budget
  
  
  MADISON, Wisconsin (Reuters) – Wisconsin state Senate Republicans voted on Wednesday to impose fines of $100 a day on Democrats who have left the state to avoid a vote on stripping public sector unions of most collective bargaining rights.
  The resolution adopted on Wednesday also allows the Sergeant at Arms to ask any police officers in Wisconsin to aid in finding and returning the Democrats to Madison.
• believer

  

  BGFalcons82;697632 wrote:Looks like the cowards will have to pony up some cash - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110302/us_nm/us_wisconsin_budget

  NAW...their leftist attorneys will find a way around it.
• majorspark

  

  Oh the irony of the sign "If I'm a great worker why are you treating me this way?"
  
  Why can't these people pick up their trash? The one nation rally left the nations capital a mess. Obama's inauguration left the national mall a trash heap.
  
  Columbus get ready to be trashed.
  
  
  
  
  
• Writerbuckeye

  

  BGFalcons82;697632 wrote:Looks like the cowards will have to pony up some cash - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110302/us_nm/us_wisconsin_budget
  
  
  MADISON, Wisconsin (Reuters) – Wisconsin state Senate Republicans voted on Wednesday to impose fines of $100 a day on Democrats who have left the state to avoid a vote on stripping public sector unions of most collective bargaining rights.
  The resolution adopted on Wednesday also allows the Sergeant at Arms to ask any police officers in Wisconsin to aid in finding and returning the Democrats to Madison.

  
  Seriously, $100 a day? You might as well slap them on their wrists with a ruler when they return.
• dwccrew

  

  stlouiedipalma;697241 wrote:Unless you have simply ignored history, PATCO was engaged in an illegal strike. Injuctions ordering their return to work were ignored, fines were levied against the union and its leaders and they were ultmately fired. Nothing resembling this is taking place in Wisconsin. To compare Walker to Reagan is, IMO, an insult to Ronald Reagan. Hell, I didn't even like Reagan, but his firing of the air-traffic controllers was justified by law. Walker is, to put it mildly, engaging in class warfare.

  
  Exactly, it was an illegal strike because that is how the law was set-up. This is, essentially, what Ohio is doing (making it illegal for public sector union employees to strike) and Wisconsin is trying to eliminate them all together.
• believer

  

  dwccrew;698156 wrote:Exactly, it was an illegal strike because that is how the law was set-up. This is, essentially, what Ohio is doing (making it illegal for public sector union employees to strike) and Wisconsin is trying to eliminate them all together.

  We can only hope for the change.
• jhay78

  

  believer;698172 wrote:We can only hope for the change.

  
  Sounds like a good 2012 campaign slogan to me!
• BGFalcons82

  

  Writerbuckeye;697772 wrote:Seriously, $100 a day? You might as well slap them on their wrists with a ruler when they return.

  
  Agreed, it isn't much on a daily basis. However, if you look at it as $700 per week, $3,000 per month, or $36,500 per year, then it's a significant fine. At least it would be for ME!!
• Con_Alma

  dwccrew;698156 wrote:Exactly, it was an illegal strike because that is how the law was set-up. This is, essentially, what Ohio is doing (making it illegal for public sector union employees to strike) and Wisconsin is trying to eliminate them all together.

  
  That's not true at all. It had nothing to do with a law or legislation. PATCO had a no strike clause written into the very contract they negotiated and agreed to. It wasn't a law. They decided to strike after agreeing not to in their contract.
• BGFalcons82

  

  Looks like Walker is tired of playing nicey-nice with their senatorial adolescents. Now it's time for the children's spanking - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/03/senate-gop-wisconsin-order-police-awol-dems-custody/
  
  Hiding from your elected duty can't be permitted in our society without penalty. I can't wait for the YouTube videos of these whining little brats having some iron slapped on their wrists.
• QuakerOats

  http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/117325873.html
  
  
  The kids best be gettin' home .................
• CenterBHSFan

  

  How stupid can these people be???
  
  This is NOT an issue to try and portray yourself as a martyr. :: sigh ::
• iclfan2

  

  Another question I have. How do people in the North think that work gets done in the South? There is no teacher union here, you don't here people crying about wages/collective bargaining/etc. I just don't get it. Not to mention the entire private sector working without collective bargaining. Car companies continue to build new plants in the South because of not having unions.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  iclfan2;698811 wrote:Another question I have. How do people in the North think that work gets done in the South? There is no teacher union here, you don't here people crying about wages/collective bargaining/etc. I just don't get it. Not to mention the entire private sector working without collective bargaining. Car companies continue to build new plants in the South because of not having unions.

  
  Some of the union folks addressed this on the other related topic by showing statistics ranking all the southern schools as being very poor. They blamed that on poor teachers because there weren't union wages being paid to teachers.
  
  It's all a bunch of BS, of course, but the union taught them well on what to say in these matters.
• dwccrew

  

  Writerbuckeye;698837 wrote:Some of the union folks addressed this on the other related topic by showing statistics ranking all the southern schools as being very poor. They blamed that on poor teachers because there weren't union wages being paid to teachers.
  
  It's all a bunch of BS, of course, but the union taught them well on what to say in these matters.

  
  1000% agree with your last statement. It has more to do with higher poverty levels in the south and poor home life rather than poor teaching IMO.
• Classyposter58

  

  iclfan2;698811 wrote:Another question I have. How do people in the North think that work gets done in the South? There is no teacher union here, you don't here people crying about wages/collective bargaining/etc. I just don't get it. Not to mention the entire private sector working without collective bargaining. Car companies continue to build new plants in the South because of not having unions.

  
  Haa that's why I'm going to U of Tennessee next year. As long as we try to save our unions power up here we're just spinning our wheels while everyone moves south of the Mason/Dixon line
• believer

  

  Classyposter58;698892 wrote:Haa that's why I'm going to U of Tennessee next year. As long as we try to save our unions power up here we're just spinning our wheels while everyone moves south of the Mason/Dixon line

  That's already happening. Businesses and individuals are rapidly packing it up in states like New York, Ohio, Wisconsin, Illinois, etc. and moving to more tax-friendly areas like Texas, Florida, North Carolina, etc.
  
  My parents-in-law are retired educators who collected their gravy train retirement packages from the Ohio taxpayer and retired to beach-side retirement in Wilmington, NC. Why? Because their tax rates are far lower....and THESE people think Governor Walker is a Nazi for the way he's treating their comrades in the Wisconsin NEA.
  
  Blows my mind.
• jhay78

  

  This is great:
  

  The Wisconsin Professional Police Association, a union representing 11,000 law enforcement officials from across the state, released a statement from its director, Jim Palmer, slamming the resolution to go after the Democrats.
  
  "The thought of using law enforcement officers to exercise force in order to achieve a political objective is insanely wrong and Wisconsin sorely needs reasonable solutions and not potentially dangerous political theatrics," Palmer said.

  Now, I respect police officers and all, but statements like that are so upside down it's not even funny. Guess who's engaging in political theatrics, Mr. Palmer? Your crybaby Democrats.
  
  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41901713/ns/us_news-life
• Writerbuckeye

  

  jhay78;699127 wrote:This is great:
  
  
  
  Now, I respect police officers and all, but statements like that are so upside down it's not even funny. Guess who's engaging in political theatrics, Mr. Palmer? Your crybaby Democrats.
  
  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41901713/ns/us_news-life

  
  Yeah, the hypocrisy is almost overwhelming -- and they can get away with it because the mainstream media won't call them on it.
• stlouiedipalma

  iclfan2;698811 wrote:Another question I have. How do people in the North think that work gets done in the South? There is no teacher union here, you don't here people crying about wages/collective bargaining/etc. I just don't get it. Not to mention the entire private sector working without collective bargaining. Car companies continue to build new plants in the South because of not having unions.

  
  Does anyone have information as to what the wages are in those car plants in the South? I'm assuming they are lower than the union wages in the North. If so, why aren't the consumers' costs of these cars lower than those produced in the North?
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Not sure how that's relevant to anything on this topic, Louie, but there's probably more than a few financial reasons why foreign made automobiles tend to out sell domestic models in this country? The top six car models sold in the US are foreign. In the top 8 best selling vehicles, only two US made truck models are in the top 10 of vehicles sold. I'd say that answers your question.
• stlouiedipalma

  Aren't there any domestic models being made in the South with non-union labor? Are they all foreign carmakers?
• stlouiedipalma

  Apparently there are no domestic automaker operations in the South with non-union workforces. According to this article, none of the domestic plants are non-union, while all of the foreign-owned operations are non-union.
  
  http://www.sb-d.com/Features/Fall2008/DontBlametheSouth/tabid/206/Default.aspx
  
  It answers my question and, Writer, you are correct in saying it's not relevant to this topic.
• QuakerOats

  Writerbuckeye;699265 wrote:Yeah, the hypocrisy is almost overwhelming -- and they can get away with it because the mainstream media won't call them on it.

  
  I am to the point with the media that, in many cases, it is no so much their incredible polticial bias as it is their remarkable level of stupidity. They appear so dumb and brainwashed they cannot discern the realities of the arguments and are incapable of asking the right questions to expose THE WHOLE STORY.
  
  When the militants talk about "their rights being taken away" why does no one in media ask, 'well what about the rights of the students to an excellent education'?; or 'what about the rights of the taxpayers to a quality and affordable education in return for their tax dollars'?; or 'what about the rights of taxpayer in insuring they are PROPERLY represented at the negotiating table'; or'what about the rights of the middle class taxpayer whose back is being broken by public sector largess'?
  
  I don't know if the majority of those in media are even capable of thinking to ask such questions.
• believer

  

  QuakerOats;699658 wrote:I don't know if the majority of those in media are even capable of thinking to ask such questions.

  I'll help you with that...they aren't.