Can you say ... Speaker Boehner
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ptown_trojans_1
Job loss, yes, pay cuts, no. Teachers already get paid absolute garbage. I make more at a DC think tank than most high school teachers.
Trade some of the benefits of a union away for better pay and I think that would be fine. -
ptown_trojans_1
Ty Webb;475940 wrote:Notice what they didn't include in there ptown...the fact that he wants to eliminate ATLEAST HALF of the state's schools and districts
What's wrong with that? In Scioto County there are around 8 or so schools, that is too many for the population in the area and a drain on resources. Lump them together and thereby decrease teaching and union costs. -
Ty Webb
Oh...I don't know ptown...maybe the fact that is will cost the state of Ohio upwards of 40,000 jobs
Also,he wants to force the school districts that they put together to build new schools even if they don't have the money
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BoatShoesTy Webb;475097 wrote:Why...because I'm right and disagreed with you?
Sorry for the personal attack...but you don't deserve the handle "Ty Webb." Every time you write something you convince these conservatives all the more that their worldview is correct...you do more harm for your cause than good. I have faith in you. You can do better. -
CenterBHSFan
BoatShoes;476255 wrote:Sorry for the personal attack...but you don't deserve the handle "Ty Webb." Every time you write something you convince these conservatives all the more that their worldview is correct...you do more harm for your cause than good. I have faith in you. You can do better.
I actually agree with you on this. Except that if he has totally bought into those views (which I think is the case), he will not think he could do better. Much like those who are very far right.
And he does add some humor to the forum.
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ptown_trojans_1
The one thing about teaching is it is fungible. Teachers can move, or adapt to changing times. Teachers can move to other school districts or inner cities where they are really needed and if they are not so good, then change careers. People move and adapt, teachers can as well.Ty Webb;475946 wrote:Oh...I don't know ptown...maybe the fact that is will cost the state of Ohio upwards of 40,000 jobs.
Link? Because, I'm sure that is not the case or has a specific reason behind it. School levees are insanely hard to get passed soley due to them being linked to taxes. If you want to change education in the state, you need to tackle the way it is funded. The state Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional, yet we continue to do it.Also,he wants to force the school districts that they put together to build new schools even if they don't have the money/
That doesn't mean anything. Races are based on facts on the ground and personalities. Each race is different.Also....Dems have caught Repubs in the Gallup Generic Ballot -
Thread Bomber
Ptown, your opinions are generally well thought out and educated. But you missed the short yellow bus on this remark. The average work days in an Ohio teachers contract is 187 worling days, compared to 240 working days for the public at large. Simple math shows that Ohio teachers work 28 percent less than most anyone else. Couple with a fact that teachers dont pay social security ( they are enrolled and dont pay for PERS) and have a solid pension plan, I think that they are fairly, if not overcompesated. If they want to make more, they should work more (or at least do thier job well) 50 grand a year for a job working 38 weeks a year ain't half badptown_trojans_1;475941 wrote:Job loss, yes, pay cuts, no. Teachers already get paid absolute garbage. I make more at a DC think tank than most high school teachers.
Trade some of the benefits of a union away for better pay and I think that would be fine.
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cosmosprivateerCan you say ... Speaker Boehner?
No I can't but I can see him out of a job. I live in his district and I'm voting against him. He hasn’t done anything for the people in his district for about 8 years now but play golf and tan. His voting record stinks and he created a ton of odious debt.
The only good Idea the tea party had was voting the incumbents out. -
believer
I'll do the math. 38 weeks times (and I'll be fair) 10 hour days divided into $50,000 per year without great PERS retirement benefits paid for by the taxpayer rolled in.....not to mention 8 to 10 weeks of summer vacation plus holidays plus snow days..... That comes out to $26/hour.Thread Bomber;479621 wrote:Ptown, your opinions are generally well thought out and educated. But you missed the short yellow bus on this remark. The average work days in an Ohio teachers contract is 187 worling days, compared to 240 working days for the public at large. Simple math shows that Ohio teachers work 28 percent less than most anyone else. Couple with a fact that teachers dont pay social security ( they are enrolled and dont pay for PERS) and have a solid pension plan, I think that they are fairly, if not overcompesated. If they want to make more, they should work more (or at least do thier job well) 50 grand a year for a job working 38 weeks a year ain't half bad
OK...they aren't exactly rich but spare me the tired "we public school teachers are under-paid mantra." My mother-in-law and father-in-law are both retired Franklin County public school teachers. They now live in Carolina Beach, NC in a nice new house, drive shiny new cars, eat well, have largely free health care, and live a half mile from the ocean. Sounds like they did OK on paltry, pathetic teachers salaries. -
fish82
Like him or not, he'll leave his seat when he retires. He'll never be voted out.cosmosprivateer;486792 wrote:Can you say ... Speaker Boehner?
No I can't but I can see him out of a job. I live in his district and I'm voting against him. He hasn’t done anything for the people in his district for about 8 years now but play golf and tan. His voting record stinks and he created a ton of odious debt.
The only good Idea the tea party had was voting the incumbents out. -
Zombaypirate
Absolutely, I am hoping for a few more tax breaks so I can move my business to Mexico and really make a killing. I hate hiring greedy ass Americans who expect top dollar for not much work and wanting all kinds of benefits. Hopefully the Republicans take over the Dem's are not much in favor of my business and I need the tax breaksQuakerOats;429761 wrote:Leftist congress down to 11% ------------ November cannot arrive soon enough.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/141512/Congress-Ranks-Last-Confidence-Institutions.aspx
I look forward to the implementation of Boehner's 3 main goals should he become speaker of the house:
Repeal obamacare
Prevent Cap-n-Tax
Keep taxes low
Now there is some real ...................... change we can believe in !! -
ptown_trojans_1
That is fine, just tell me what you plan to cut.
Are they going to cut Medicare and SS? Is Defense part of it?
Cutting anythign other than that won't make a real dent. -
BGFalcons82
ptown_trojans_1;516487 wrote:That is fine, just tell me what you plan to cut.
Are they going to cut Medicare and SS? Is Defense part of it?
Cutting anythign other than that won't make a real dent.
Loaded questions for you, ptown:
If spending levels do not increase from one fiscal year to the next, is that considered a "cut"?
If spending levels increase by the population percentage increase + inflation, is that considered a "cut"?
If spending levels increase 9%, is that considered necessary?.....OK....I'm being a TEA partier here....but the CBO reported it within the last week or two, so I couldn't resist. -
Zombaypirateptown_trojans_1;516487 wrote:That is fine, just tell me what you plan to cut.
Are they going to cut Medicare and SS? Is Defense part of it?
Cutting anythign other than that won't make a real dent.
Cut welfare and unemployment, I am tired of paying for them. They can cut SS and medicare too, in fact eliminate it. We are in massive debt, however we do need to increase defense spending. Don't you know all them commies out there are just waiting to take over our country? All other countries are jealous of our freedoms and the people of America need to know that.
The people of America are flat out lazy and not willing to work hard (the vast majority want something for nothing) I own my own business and know how Unions and the people try to get what they do not deserve. I know my profit margins and since I worked hard to get my company, I do not expect worthless liberals to take what I earned.
Incredible how liberals have taken over this country. -
BGFalcons82
Zombaypirate;516478 wrote:Absolutely, I am hoping for a few more tax breaks so I can move my business to Mexico and really make a killing. I hate hiring greedy ass Americans who expect top dollar for not much work and wanting all kinds of benefits. Hopefully the Republicans take over the Dem's are not much in favor of my business and I need the tax breaks
Excellent sarcasm. It's hard to do here on OC, but you pulled it off! Congrats.
So....if the State of Ohio and Federal Government make it unprofitable for your business, that you love and hope to develop into something more, would you consider moving it overseas? What if you worked 80 hours per week and at the end of the year, your accountants tell you that you'd make 25% more money if you moved your production facilities to another country? It's your business....so think before you answer. Would you like to continue working your ass into stress hell, having no time with family nor friends, and at the end of the day...have nothing to show for it?
The answer is to make America more business friendly for manufacturing. Unionization of the workforce is the exact opposite....unless you can get the Chinese/Laotians/Vietnamese/Indians/Indonesians to pony up to unionization also. Trot out the "card check" idea in communist China and tell us how that will work, eh? But I digress. If we want to keep manufacturing in the USA, we must be competitive with the world. Or....I guess we just put up a giant barrier around the mainland and keep the world out. -
ZombaypirateBGFalcons82;516506 wrote:Excellent sarcasm. It's hard to do here on OC, but you pulled it off! Congrats.
So....if the State of Ohio and Federal Government make it unprofitable for your business, that you love and hope to develop into something more, would you consider moving it overseas? What if you worked 80 hours per week and at the end of the year, your accountants tell you that you'd make 25% more money if you moved your production facilities to another country? It's your business....so think before you answer. Would you like to continue working your ass into stress hell, having no time with family nor friends, and at the end of the day...have nothing to show for it?
The answer is to make America more business friendly for manufacturing. Unionization of the workforce is the exact opposite....unless you can get the Chinese/Laotians/Vietnamese/Indians/Indonesians to pony up to unionization also. Trot out the "card check" idea in communist China and tell us how that will work, eh? But I digress. If we want to keep manufacturing in the USA, we must be competitive with the world. Or....I guess we just put up a giant barrier around the mainland and keep the world out.
No sarcasm, I need tax breaks and the worthless Dems are not giving them up. I need more tax breaks for moving to Mexico so I can ship my goods in without penalty. (hello free trade) I work hard because I am not a lazy liberal. The government wants to tax me to death and expect me to pay for the worthless, they should reinstitute workhouses for the poor, I need a few of them because I really don't want to have to move to Mexico where I will be away from friends and family.
I just hope and pray that the Republican party can once again take over so our freedoms and liberty and taxes are not taken from us. -
Ty Webb
Quaker....you do realize that for "Obamacare" to be repealed Obama himself has to sign it right?
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BigdoggTy Webb;516634 wrote:Quaker....you do realize that for "Obamacare" to be repealed Obama himself has to sign it right?
He is not that smart. -
BGFalcons82
Ty Webb;516634 wrote:Quaker....you do realize that for "Obamacare" to be repealed Obama himself has to sign it right?
Unless Obama is prez for life, there is always a chance to repeal it. Get ready for defunding it starting in 3 months. Hallelujah. -
Ty Webb
Yea.....he has to sign those bills too.....good lord don't any of you people understand the rules
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QuakerOatsThe tyrannical reign of obama/pelosi/reid is coming to an abrupt end. He may veto a repeal & replace bill, but then we should withhold all funding necessary for the bill to be implemented .......... even if it means government shutdown --- which would be a positive in and of itself.
It is time to begin defunding government on a massive scale. -
BGFalcons82
Quaker - While I am in 100% agreement with you, the newly elected Representatives and Senators must be able to stand up to special interests, unions, attorneys, and bureaucrats better than they did during the last time they had control of Congress. It will be tough...the media will NOT be on the side of less government....Obama, Biden and their socialist allies will pound them relentlessly....there will be much wailing and whining enough to cry new rivers in DC. It remains to be determined how much brow-beating and anecdotal horror stories they can endure in order to restore our fiscal sanity.QuakerOats;517233 wrote:The tyrannical reign of obama/pelosi/reid is coming to an abrupt end. He may veto a repeal & replace bill, but then we should withhold all funding necessary for the bill to be implemented .......... even if it means government shutdown --- which would be a positive in and of itself.
It is time to begin defunding government on a massive scale.
If they fail again, they will be fired again, just like last time. Then, we will be standing at the abyss wondering whatever happened to us. It is the last chance to save our financial independence, IMO. -
Ty Webb
QuakerOats;517233 wrote:The tyrannical reign of obama/pelosi/reid is coming to an abrupt end. He may veto a repeal & replace bill, but then we should withhold all funding necessary for the bill to be implemented .......... even if it means government shutdown --- which would be a positive in and of itself.
It is time to begin defunding government on a massive scale.
Quaker....you do realize that to Defund a massive program like "ObamaCare",or really any government program,the President has to sign the defunding measure right?? They can try to shut down anything they want,but that only furthers the already good chances that President Obama gets re-elected
Please,please explain to me how they are tyrants?? Are they forcing us into military service?? re they taking are right away??
Also,please before using the term socialist,please understand it's meaning and know that President Obama,VP Biden,and Speaker Pelosi are not even close to being socialists