Disgusted With Obama Administration.

• stlouiedipalma

  believer;671195 wrote:The POTUS really has superficial and indirect powers to effect the economy. What a President can do, though, is set the tone and motivate through words of leadership.
  
  Obama comes across as being a blamer, finger pointer, chastiser, and apologist. He does not see what's right and good in the American spirit; he dwells on the negative. He honestly thinks that we are incapable of righting the ship without government intervention. Obama may be a good public speaker, but he doesn't inspire.
  
  By contrast Reagan fully understood the American mindset. He had the ability of making us feel good about being American. He understood that it wasn't the government who would pull us out of an economic slump but the collective will of the people. Reagan was a good public speaker who knew how to inspire. You know - the shining city on the hill effect.
  
  Two years into the Reagan presidency we were well on the way to the 80's economic turnaround after the double-dip recession of the mid to late 70's. Two years into the BHO presidency the housing market is still in shambles, unemployment remains at more than 9%, and there doesn't really seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel.
  
  I do not necessarily blame BHO for the current economic malaise, but he can do a far better job of getting us to believe in ourselves.

  
  Provided what he says is something you agree with. The test of a great leader, in my opinion, is delivering a message that people don't want to hear and getting them to understand and go along with your vision.
  
  Reagan was outstanding at handling what I call the "public relations" side of the Presidency. Surely his background in acting helped him immensely with that. He always knew how to hit his spots and could deliver a line with the correct body language. It could be said that the Presidency was his greatest performance.
• Ty Webb

  

  Obama Leads Big Name GOP Rivals
  A new Fox News poll shows President Obama ahead of all of the most frequently named possible Republican challengers by at least seven points.
  
  He leads Mitt Romney, 48% to 41%, beats Mike Huckabee, 49% to 41%, tops Sarah Palin, 56% to 35%, and is ahead of Newt Gingrich, 55% to 35%.
  
  It's worth noting that Fox News is pairing two pollsters, Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R), for their polls. They're also now calling people with cell phones
• QuakerOats

  http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-white-house-media-operation-state-run/story?id=12913319
  
  State-run media .................... no shit.
  
  Change we can believe in .....
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats;679293 wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-white-house-media-operation-state-run/story?id=12913319
  
  State-run media .................... no shit.
  
  Change we can believe in .....

  
  I wouldn't say state-run media as that implies the WH is governing all media. This is just the WH entering the fray and news media. This is not a surprise given youtube, facebook, twitter, etc.
  
  Now, if they start to totally cut off and limit what the media sees and can report, then yeah, we have problems. But, this is just them expanding their media message to attract voters. Congressman and Senators also do this, just to a less extent. (I watch Portman's youtube page for example).
  
  I might also add, this could not be all bad. One of the things I like to do is go around the media and directly to the source, so I head to the WH website and read speeches or address made and not read the news reports on them at all. I did that for the SOTU this year.
  
  Still, I see your point, but until it starts to impact what the MSM (that includes Fox) is doing, then we can talk.
• QuakerOats

  http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2011/02/14/gms-uaw-bonus-payout-outrage
  
  Sick.
  
  Just a little more ..................................... change we can believe in .....
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats;679334 wrote:http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2011/02/14/gms-uaw-bonus-payout-outrage
  
  Sick.
  
  Just a little more ..................................... change we can believe in .....

  I'm with ya there. I was also upset when bailed out banks got bonuses.
• jhay78

  

  ptown_trojans_1;679309 wrote:I wouldn't say state-run media as that implies the WH is governing all media. This is just the WH entering the fray and news media. This is not a surprise given youtube, facebook, twitter, etc.
  
  Now, if they start to totally cut off and limit what the media sees and can report, then yeah, we have problems. But, this is just them expanding their media message to attract voters. Congressman and Senators also do this, just to a less extent. (I watch Portman's youtube page for example).
  I might also add, this could not be all bad. One of the things I like to do is go around the media and directly to the source, so I head to the WH website and read speeches or address made and not read the news reports on them at all. I did that for the SOTU this year.
  
  Still, I see your point, but until it starts to impact what the MSM (that includes Fox) is doing, then we can talk.

  
  This isn't a total cutoff, but it's not just a matter of expanding the media message. Some are upset at the lack of access:
  

  "They're opening the door to kicking the press out of historic events, and opening the door to having a very filtered format for which they give the American public information that doesn't have any criticism allowed," said University of Minnesota journalism professor and political communication analyst Heather LaMarre

  As for speeches & events, yeah it's great to have direct access to them, but they should also be available for media reporting and possible criticism. Not that I'm a fan of the MSM, but that stuff should be available in both formats.
• Ty Webb

  

  ptown_trojans_1;679346 wrote:I'm with ya there. I was also upset when bailed out banks got bonuses.

  
  You are upset with factory workers getting bonuses??
  
  The union people I understand,but I'm all for giving floor guys and gals bonuses
• Belly35

  

  Ty Webb;680889 wrote:You are upset with factory workers getting bonuses??
  
  The union people I understand,but I'm all for giving floor guys and gals bonuses

  Why should hourly people get a bonus... they get overtime
  
  There is a difference between hourly and salary ...correct?
• Ty Webb

  

  Belly35;681017 wrote:Why should hourly people get a bonus... they get overtime
  
  There is a difference between hourly and salary ...correct?

  
  Because they deserve it if they go above and beyond their duties/quota
• Belly35

  

  Ty Webb;681022 wrote:Because they deserve it if they go above and beyond their duties/quota

  Shouldn’t that be expected everyday to work as hard as possible to achieve the best performance level and production output. If that labor exceed the expectation than so be it job well done. . Why does there have to be quota?
  Does the hourly work get less if they do a less quota job that day and the next day and the next ..is that a prorating system that tracks the good days and poor quota days?
• QuakerOats

  Ty Webb;681022 wrote:Because they deserve it if they go above and beyond their duties/quota

  
  They deserve it if the performance of the entire enterprise is worthy of it, and only after all taxpayer loans and bailouts are repaid. Despite the rhetoric that loans have been repaid, they have not, and as long as taxpayers are on the hook for Government Motors, forget the bonuses. Pay us this year, pay yourselves next year.
  
  Oh wait ...................... these went to union members .... nevermind....
• Belly35

  

  ^^^^^^^^ WOW! We will not be hearing from Ty anytime soon.....on this matter
• Ty Webb

  

  I'm right here Belly......I don't run away
  
  Is it the workers fault the CEOs are stupid? No it's not. If they are doing an exceptional job,they deserve a bonus plain and simple,and you really can't agrue that. I would be willing to bet that if anyone of you worked at one of these companies and you were given one of these bonuses you would take it in a second.
• Fab4Runner

  

  Ty Webb;682123 wrote:I'm right here Belly......I don't run away
  
  Is it the workers fault the CEOs are stupid? No it's not. If they are doing an exceptional job,they deserve a bonus plain and simple,and you really can't agrue that. I would be willing to bet that if anyone of you worked at one of these companies and you were given one of these bonuses you would take it in a second.

  Actually, it doesn't matter if you are doing an exceptional job or not if the money is not there. I could work my hardest every single day but if my boss doesn't have the money to give me a bonus I won't get one.
• stlouiedipalma

  The company I consulted for last year has a gainsharing program, wherein all workers receive bonuses if production and quality goals are exceeded. Each of their plants (in Ohio, Kansas, Iowa and Canada) has a specific production and quality goal. From what I understand, the goals are realistic and the bonuses are significant.
  
  Belly, I understood long ago that Union and Management must work together to solve problems and create solutions which will benefit EVERYONE. The old "us and them" mentality doesn't work anymore.
• KnightRyder

  

  O-Trap;665635 wrote:As the son and grandson of some VERY extreme Republicans, I tend to agree. Fantastic president, no doubt. Second-coming of King Arthur? Eh ...

  
  yae that reagan was a real stand up guy. lets see he declared amnesty for 2.9 million illegal immigrants, illegally sold weapons to Iran, gave financial aid to Islamic militants in Afghanistan and suffered from severe mental problems.
• O-Trap

  

  KnightRyder;690200 wrote:yae that reagan was a real stand up guy. lets see he declared amnesty for 2.9 million illegal immigrants, illegally sold weapons to Iran, gave financial aid to Islamic militants in Afghanistan and suffered from severe mental problems.

  So, severe mental problems (later in life) make someone something less than a stand-up guy? Do you think mentally challenged people are assholes, then?
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  KnightRyder;690200 wrote:yae that reagan was a real stand up guy. lets see he declared amnesty for 2.9 million illegal immigrants, illegally sold weapons to Iran, gave financial aid to Islamic militants in Afghanistan and suffered from severe mental problems.

  Ehh on the illegals, it was for regional gain. He honestly didn't know about the weapons to Iran. He knew about the Contras, but not the weapons to Iran. That was all shady National Security Council operations, which could be a knock against Reagan is he had no control over his national security staff. He had 6 or 7 National Security Advisers. Lastly, yes we aided the Mujahadeen, but it was to defeat the Soviets. Soviet> than Islamic fighters. It was the Cold War after all, and we wanted to keep the Soviet bogged down and waste away their resources.
• I Wear Pants

  Ty Webb;682123 wrote:I'm right here Belly......I don't run away
  
  Is it the workers fault the CEOs are stupid? No it's not. If they are doing an exceptional job,they deserve a bonus plain and simple,and you really can't agrue that. I would be willing to bet that if anyone of you worked at one of these companies and you were given one of these bonuses you would take it in a second.

  Many people work hard enough to deserve a bonus but don't get it if their company isn't doing well.
• O-Trap

  

  I Wear Pants;690345 wrote:Many people work hard enough to deserve a bonus but don't get it if their company isn't doing well.

  If you ask each worker, they'll tell you they work hard ...
  
  ... but there's not enough money in the country to give everyone what they think they deserve. I'm glad some get that.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  I Wear Pants;690345 wrote:Many people work hard enough to deserve a bonus but don't get it if their company isn't doing well.

  
  Or they get a Jelly of the Month membership.....
  The gift that keeps on giving all year round.
• O-Trap

  

  ptown_trojans_1;690360 wrote:Or they get a Jelly of the Month membership.....
  The gift that keeps on giving all year round.

  
  Should make it Kandy Korn. Nobody eats it. They just pass it around.
• KnightRyder

  

  ptown_trojans_1;690232 wrote:Ehh on the illegals, it was for regional gain. He honestly didn't know about the weapons to Iran. He knew about the Contras, but not the weapons to Iran. That was all shady National Security Council operations, which could be a knock against Reagan is he had no control over his national security staff. He had 6 or 7 National Security Advisers. Lastly, yes we aided the Mujahadeen, but it was to defeat the Soviets. Soviet> than Islamic fighters. It was the Cold War after all, and we wanted to keep the Soviet bogged down and waste away their resources.

  
  if you believe all that , i got some property in florida to sell you. LOL
• QuakerOats

  Back to the topic at hand -- obama vying with carter for worst president in history --- he now sent the wrong f--ing charter boats to rescue Americans from Libya ........ incredible. If that was Bush it would be the lead story everywhere - nonstop.
  
  somebody kick me; is this jimmy carter's second term ??
  
  Just amazing ......... change we can believe in .......