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New Arizona law on immigration is stirring it up

  • fish82
    CenterBHSFan wrote:
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
    Yeah, not a fan of that move at all. It is one thing to say you disagree with it, but another to say it in such an official setting.
    To say the least.
    ......................................

    In general,

    For the dems (including Biden and Pelosi) to give Chalderon a standing ovation is beyond me.
    And even though there's alot of people who disagree with me, I'll say for the second time/second incident, that I'm embarrassed of some of the conduct of this administration. They've got the practice of auto-masochism down to a fine tuned artform. They should carry on that activity in private and not the world stage.
    Anyone who isn't at least a little embarrassed at some of their conduct should probably be removed from the gene pool. ;)
  • I Wear Pants
    CenterBHSFan wrote:
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
    Yeah, not a fan of that move at all. It is one thing to say you disagree with it, but another to say it in such an official setting.
    To say the least.
    ......................................

    In general,

    For the dems (including Biden and Pelosi) to give Chalderon a standing ovation is beyond me.
    And even though there's alot of people who disagree with me, I'll say for the second time/second incident, that I'm embarrassed of some of the conduct of this administration. They've got the practice of auto-masochism down to a fine tuned artform. They should carry on that activity in private and not the world stage.
    Auto-masochism?

    They derive pleasure from punishing themselves?
  • CenterBHSFan
    I think "hurt" is the better word to use. And not only themselves, they are on the world stage with their moronic self-flagellation. (and flatuation, cause they stink)
  • majorspark
    It is unAmerican. Cheering a foreign leader in our house of government who is criticizing one of our own. He should have been booed off the floor. Right or wrong his place is to express his convictions is to the president in private. Shame on those that cheered this disgusting event. And shame on those that did not possess the balls to boo and hiss this hypocrite off the floor of congress. It is bad enough we have to endure foreign leaders shitting on us on the floor of the UN, but now on the floor of congress? WTF is going on?

    I liken this to a guest in my house standing up at the dinner table and calling out one of my children. Whether I agreed with him or not, my natural inclination would be to defend the structure of my family. If someone outside of my family has a problem with one of my child's actions they bring it to me personally. If I concur with their assessment I will deal with it within the structure of my family. I sure as hell would not stand up and applaud using my house to call out members of my family. WTF.

    What makes this even more despicable is the words roll off the mouth of a blatant hypocrite. Their government employs far more stringent laws on its immigrants. For those of you gringos with big enough balls to take a stroll though the Mexican countryside good luck. You will be stopped . You will be asked for your papers. And you may end up dead if you don't cough up something of value.

    I would like to see one of those congressman cheering, take a stroll through Juarez in the Mexican state of Chihuahua, without their security detail. I would like to see Obama head down to Mexico City and address the Mexican legislature about the safety concerns of Americans visiting Mexico. I wonder how many cheers he would get. I would like to see him call out the Mexican state of Chihuahua for their failure to protect the lives and rights of our citizens brave enough to set foot in that God forsaken state.

    God save this country from the void of leadership it now possesses.
  • Glory Days
    Let's kick his ass! i'll go buy some pitch forks if someone else gets the flaming torches!
  • CenterBHSFan
    "God save this country from the void of leadership it now possesses."

    Major, I couldn't agree more.

    Not everybody will agree with the decisions or even the outlook of standing Presidents. Even if their ideologies match. But this latest hijinx is vile with a side of disrepute.

    I don't know of anybody, personally, with an ounce of common sense or self respect, that can be complacent with this. But then, we are talking about new age pop-psychology politicians here...
  • redstreak one
    Wow, I couldnt watch that for a second after they stood and started clapping! For the love of Pete, what is wrong with our Congress or anyone who would cheer a hypocrite?
  • CenterBHSFan
    Glory Days wrote: Let's kick his ass! i'll go buy some pitch forks if someone else gets the flaming torches!

    HAHA!!!
  • cbus4life
    My fiancee and i were in Mexico City a couple months ago visiting a friend who works at the U.S. Embassy there.

    Keep in mind, she lived in Moscow for a year back in 2005.

    We, by far, were hassled more, inconvenienced more, and felt more "scared" than she ever did in her year in Moscow, and i ever did when i was there to visit her. No bribes were given, but there were some tense moments with the Mexican police.

    Granted, Mexico City was on my list of places to visit before i die, so it was nice to get that out of the way, as it was definitely one of the most interesting cities i've ever visited.
  • Mr. 300
    Mexico has worse laws on the books than what Arizona just passed. You outta try and sneak into Mexico from south of their border and see what happens to you!! You can't get a job, you are arrested and thrown away for good, or at the easiest, DEPORTED BACK to where you came from.

    So what am I missing here??? Mexico can deport, Calderon can call our laws misguided in a state dinner and receive standing O's from the libs, yet we pass a law making it illegal to be here illegally and we're the bad guys???

    You dolts make me laugh.
  • jmog
    Mr. 300,

    Exactly, his statements were so hypocritical it was laughable at best, criminal at worst.

    Try to sneak across the Guatemalan/Mexican border and see how easy that is.
  • Mr. 300
    Kudos to Wolfe Blitzer for making this Mexican El Presidente look like the jackass that he it.

    Oh, and he made the Omaba Admin and ALL the libs and repubs who decided not to uphold the laws of this country as jackasses too.
  • Mr. 300
  • jmog
    Oh geez, now the Obama admin is just admitting they will not process illegals sent to them from Arizona.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/21/official-says-feds-process-illegals-referred-arizona/
  • tk421
    jmog wrote: Oh geez, now the Obama admin is just admitting they will not process illegals sent to them from Arizona.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/21/official-says-feds-process-illegals-referred-arizona/
    This administration is completely lost it's mind. You hear that sound? It's the sound of even more illegals rushing across the border because the Obama administration has just admitted that they don't care about enforcing existing federal law, not that we didn't already know that. Can 2012 please get here soon?
  • jhay78
    CenterBHSFan wrote:
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
    Yeah, not a fan of that move at all. It is one thing to say you disagree with it, but another to say it in such an official setting.
    To say the least.
    ......................................

    In general,

    For the dems (including Biden and Pelosi) to give Chalderon a standing ovation is beyond me.
    And even though there's alot of people who disagree with me, I'll say for the second time/second incident, that I'm embarrassed of some of the conduct of this administration. They've got the practice of auto-masochism down to a fine tuned artform. They should carry on that activity in private and not the world stage.
    That standing O needs to be replayed over and over this fall. Absolutely outrageous. Thank God it's not 2008 anymore and people have figured these Dems out.
    majorspark wrote:
    It is unAmerican. Cheering a foreign leader in our house of government who is criticizing one of our own. He should have been booed off the floor. Right or wrong his place is to express his convictions is to the president in private. Shame on those that cheered this disgusting event. And shame on those that did not possess the balls to boo and hiss this hypocrite off the floor of congress. It is bad enough we have to endure foreign leaders shitting on us on the floor of the UN, but now on the floor of congress? WTF is going on?

    I liken this to a guest in my house standing up at the dinner table and calling out one of my children. Whether I agreed with him or not, my natural inclination would be to defend the structure of my family. If someone outside of my family has a problem with one of my child's actions they bring it to me personally. If I concur with their assessment I will deal with it within the structure of my family. I sure as hell would not stand up and applaud using my house to call out members of my family. WTF.

    What makes this even more despicable is the words roll off the mouth of a blatant hypocrite. Their government employs far more stringent laws on its immigrants. For those of you gringos with big enough balls to take a stroll though the Mexican countryside good luck. You will be stopped . You will be asked for your papers. And you may end up dead if you don't cough up something of value.

    I would like to see one of those congressman cheering, take a stroll through Juarez in the Mexican state of Chihuahua, without their security detail. I would like to see Obama head down to Mexico City and address the Mexican legislature about the safety concerns of Americans visiting Mexico. I wonder how many cheers he would get. I would like to see him call out the Mexican state of Chihuahua for their failure to protect the lives and rights of our citizens brave enough to set foot in that God forsaken state.

    God save this country from the void of leadership it now possesses.
    Well said- this is a new low even with this administration.
  • CenterBHSFan
    jmog wrote: Oh geez, now the Obama admin is just admitting they will not process illegals sent to them from Arizona.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/21/official-says-feds-process-illegals-referred-arizona/
    Well, let's take a look at this.
    John Morton, assistant secretary of homeland security for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, made the comment during a meeting on Wednesday with the editorial board of the Chicago Tribune, the newspaper reports.
    "I don't think the Arizona law, or laws like it, are the solution," Morton told the newspaper.
    Oh really? Then why not? And by whom?
    The best way to reduce illegal immigration is through a comprehensive federal approach, he said, and not a patchwork of state laws.
    Ohhhh I see. More federal government, and less state power. Which by the way, the fed. dropped the ball on this, not Arizona.
    In response to Morton's comments, DHS officials said President Obama has ordered the Department of Justice to examine the civil rights and other implications of the law.
    Again, illegal immigrants are not privy to civil rights. Civil rights pertain to American citizens.
    Meanwhile, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said ICE is not obligated to process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona authorities.
    "ICE has the legal discretion to accept or not to accept persons delivered to it by non-federal personnel," Napolitano said. "It also has the discretion to deport or not to deport persons delivered to it by any government agents, even its own."
    Does anybody else see FUTILITY in this???
    Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-AL, said it appeared the Obama administration is "nullifying existing law" and suggested Morton may not be the right person for his post if he fails to enforce federal immigration law.
    "If he feels he cannot enforce the law, he shouldn't have the job," Sessions told Fox News. "That makes him, in my view, not fulfilling the responsibilities of his office."
    And that should start at the very top of this thought process (guess who?) and work its way down!!!

    And then we can say, "Good riddance to bad rubbish!"
  • CenterBHSFan
    Here's another costly matter that Arizona has to deal with. At the Sonoran Desert in Arizona, a national park:







    More pictures at:

    http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/restarea.asp#photo4
    The illegals have walked over 25 miles into our country when they get to this spot. At this spot they can see the lights of Ammado, and they know they are within a few hours of getting picked up by the load vehicle which will take them anywhere in the country. When they come they carry backpacks with clean clothes and food in them; when they get to this layup spot, they can change out of their dirty clothes and into clean clothes so that they will blend in better once they get into town. They will cram as many as 20 people into the cab of a pickup truck or 30 people into a van or SUV, so there is no room for any backpacks or extra clothing.

    As a result, the monument's wilderness is laced with hundreds of miles of unofficial roads and trails. These routes are usually lined with empty water jugs and other discarded items.
    All this has to be cleaned up constantly and is costly to the taxpayers.
  • CenterBHSFan
  • Mr. 300
    Disgusting photos of what these lawbreakers are doing to our country!!! Of course those that are helping them from within are jst as guilty.
  • bigmanbt
    CenterBHSFan wrote:
    Again, illegal immigrants are not privy to civil rights. Civil rights pertain to American citizens.
    I disagree with this statement. The Declaration clearly says "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." It doesn't say American citizens are created equal with certain unalienable rights, it says all men(and women, for the feminists :) ). Everyone deserves these unalienable rights, regardless of where they are from. That's why terrorists should be given due process and not whisked away to Gitmo as "enemy combatants".
  • Glory Days
    it also doesnt say illegal aliens or men from other countries if you want to get technical.
  • bigmanbt
    Glory Days wrote: it also doesnt say illegal aliens or men from other countries if you want to get technical.
    No, it says ALL men. Not American men, not men from other countries, ALL men. That, to me at least, means everybody.
  • Glory Days
    bigmanbt wrote:
    Glory Days wrote: it also doesnt say illegal aliens or men from other countries if you want to get technical.
    No, it says ALL men. Not American men, not men from other countries, ALL men. That, to me at least, means everybody.
    all men on a document that applied to America, not anyone else.
  • tk421
    bigmanbt wrote:
    Glory Days wrote: it also doesnt say illegal aliens or men from other countries if you want to get technical.
    No, it says ALL men. Not American men, not men from other countries, ALL men. That, to me at least, means everybody.
    If we're going to be absolutely literal in the interpretation, then women don't have any rights at all. Black people should still be slaves, etc. It was a document written for Americans, not everyone else in the world to come here and use up our resources while breaking federal law.