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New Arizona law on immigration is stirring it up

  • Glory Days
    BCSbunk wrote:
    Footwedge wrote: Racism? Seriously? Profling maybe...but not racism. My take is that people against illegal aliens living here illegally also would feel the same way about any white illegals.
    You are a P.O in AZ.

    Tell me how do you know who an illegal is?

    What make you suspicious?
    i already have, but i will list them again and some more:

    -Officer conducts a traffic stop of a semi truck. the driver seems nervous and what he is hauling doesnt match up with what the weight of the trailer should be. officer searches the trailer and finds 50-75 people huddled together in various stages of bad health.

    -Officer observes 10-15 men, women, and children walking out of the desert where the US border is with nothing more than the ragged and torn clothes on their back looking severly dehydrated.

    -Home Depot has a complaint about the day workers standing outside their store. they call the cops to disperse them. cops get there and try to talk to the workers. they know no english, the cops are able to get some names from the workers and when run through the database they dont show up, no SSN or anything.

    -A neighbor calls the cops to about a domestic violence incident next door. cops arrive at the house and find the house has no electricity, there are 15-20 men, women, and children living in their own filth with no running water. the neighbors say there are always people coming and going from the house and they arent sure who owns the house.

    those are just a few, if i actually lived in Arizona, i could probably think of a few more. and i dont recall race ever being a deciding factor in any of the scenarios.
  • QuakerOats
    Glory Days wrote: i already have, but i will list them again and some more:

    -Officer conducts a traffic stop of a semi truck. the driver seems nervous and what he is hauling doesnt match up with what the weight of the trailer should be. officer searches the trailer and finds 50-75 people huddled together in various stages of bad health.

    -Officer observes 10-15 men, women, and children walking out of the desert where the US border is with nothing more than the ragged and torn clothes on their back looking severly dehydrated.

    -Home Depot has a complaint about the day workers standing outside their store. they call the cops to disperse them. cops get there and try to talk to the workers. they know no english, the cops are able to get some names from the workers and when run through the database they dont show up, no SSN or anything.

    -A neighbor calls the cops to about a domestic violence incident next door. cops arrive at the house and find the house has no electricity, there are 15-20 men, women, and children living in their own filth with no running water. the neighbors say there are always people coming and going from the house and they arent sure who owns the house.

    those are just a few, if i actually lived in Arizona, i could probably think of a few more. and i dont recall race ever being a deciding factor in any of the scenarios.
    Good post.
  • CenterBHSFan
    Glory Days makes excellent points.

    I've said it before and it bears repeating. Ohio has illegal aliens, sure. Every state does (my own opinion). But unless you have actually lived/spent time in a state that has this problem, you have no idea what it's like or what it is about. There's probably more illegals in one average TOWN in California/Arizona than Columbus, Ohio. I'm exaggerating, but it's still a huge, radical difference.
  • BCSbunk
    Glory Days wrote:
    BCSbunk wrote:
    Footwedge wrote: Racism? Seriously? Profling maybe...but not racism. My take is that people against illegal aliens living here illegally also would feel the same way about any white illegals.
    You are a P.O in AZ.

    Tell me how do you know who an illegal is?

    What make you suspicious?
    i already have, but i will list them again and some more:

    -Officer conducts a traffic stop of a semi truck. the driver seems nervous and what he is hauling doesnt match up with what the weight of the trailer should be. officer searches the trailer and finds 50-75 people huddled together in various stages of bad health.

    -Officer observes 10-15 men, women, and children walking out of the desert where the US border is with nothing more than the ragged and torn clothes on their back looking severly dehydrated.

    -Home Depot has a complaint about the day workers standing outside their store. they call the cops to disperse them. cops get there and try to talk to the workers. they know no english, the cops are able to get some names from the workers and when run through the database they dont show up, no SSN or anything.

    -A neighbor calls the cops to about a domestic violence incident next door. cops arrive at the house and find the house has no electricity, there are 15-20 men, women, and children living in their own filth with no running water. the neighbors say there are always people coming and going from the house and they arent sure who owns the house.

    those are just a few, if i actually lived in Arizona, i could probably think of a few more. and i dont recall race ever being a deciding factor in any of the scenarios.
    Seems nervous? That is subjective garbage.

    More like I see someone with brown skin I will ask for his papers.

    Yeah nothing like racists to deal with.
  • Glory Days
    BCSbunk wrote: Seems nervous? That is subjective garbage.
    its not subjective, its pretty well documented people tend to give off signals when they are doing something wrong.
    More like I see someone with brown skin I will ask for his papers.

    Yeah nothing like racists to deal with.
    like a black person being stopped in a white neighborhood or vice versa, what is your point? that happens with or without this law and is still wrong.
  • redstreak one
    Painting every specific example giving by glory days with a broad brush stroke of its all racist doesnt help your cause! lol

    I still say we are defending Afghanistan and South Koreas borders with more federal military force than our own borders. Build a fence, man it with our troops, whatever illegal alien who is here after the fence give them amnesty. Have them sign up and prove that they have no past criminal record to become a citizen. If they dont, and are ever arrested for anything and they are found still an illegal alien, throw their butts back across the fence. Simple, many illegals will still fall between the cracks, it will cost a pretty penny, but worth it, IMO. No one is profiled, and makes it harder for new illegals to get in!
  • I Wear Pants
    redstreak one wrote: Painting every specific example giving by glory days with a broad brush stroke of its all racist doesnt help your cause! lol

    I still say we are defending Afghanistan and South Koreas borders with more federal military force than our own borders. Build a fence, man it with our troops, whatever illegal alien who is here after the fence give them amnesty. Have them sign up and prove that they have no past criminal record to become a citizen. If they dont, and are ever arrested for anything and they are found still an illegal alien, throw their butts back across the fence. Simple, many illegals will still fall between the cracks, it will cost a pretty penny, but worth it, IMO. No one is profiled, and makes it harder for new illegals to get in!
    Maybe we could do that. But the troops to man the fence are currently in North Korea manning another fence that isn't ours.

    And in Japan, sexually assaulting women or whatever it is they do there.
  • majorspark
    I Wear Pants wrote: And in Japan, sexually assaulting women or whatever it is they do there
    You know better than that.
  • Glory Days
    I Wear Pants wrote:
    redstreak one wrote: Painting every specific example giving by glory days with a broad brush stroke of its all racist doesnt help your cause! lol

    I still say we are defending Afghanistan and South Koreas borders with more federal military force than our own borders. Build a fence, man it with our troops, whatever illegal alien who is here after the fence give them amnesty. Have them sign up and prove that they have no past criminal record to become a citizen. If they dont, and are ever arrested for anything and they are found still an illegal alien, throw their butts back across the fence. Simple, many illegals will still fall between the cracks, it will cost a pretty penny, but worth it, IMO. No one is profiled, and makes it harder for new illegals to get in!
    Maybe we could do that. But the troops to man the fence are currently in North Korea manning another fence that isn't ours.

    And in Japan, sexually assaulting women or whatever it is they do there.
    we dont man the fence in korea, and its unfortunate, but soldiers sexually assault women here too.
  • I Wear Pants
    I was joking about that.

    It's just I have no idea what our soldiers do in Japan. At all. Literally the only thing I've heard from there are a few sexual assault charges. Not that they are any more prevalent over there or that it happens particularly more often than with the general populace.
  • I Wear Pants
    Glory Days wrote:
    I Wear Pants wrote:
    redstreak one wrote: Painting every specific example giving by glory days with a broad brush stroke of its all racist doesnt help your cause! lol

    I still say we are defending Afghanistan and South Koreas borders with more federal military force than our own borders. Build a fence, man it with our troops, whatever illegal alien who is here after the fence give them amnesty. Have them sign up and prove that they have no past criminal record to become a citizen. If they dont, and are ever arrested for anything and they are found still an illegal alien, throw their butts back across the fence. Simple, many illegals will still fall between the cracks, it will cost a pretty penny, but worth it, IMO. No one is profiled, and makes it harder for new illegals to get in!
    Maybe we could do that. But the troops to man the fence are currently in North Korea manning another fence that isn't ours.

    And in Japan, sexually assaulting women or whatever it is they do there.
    we dont man the fence in korea,
    We, um, watch the dudes that watch the fence then?
  • Glory Days
    I Wear Pants wrote:
    We, um, watch the dudes that watch the fence then?
    yeah basically, we only have 1 base that i know of anywhere near the DMZ. the South Koreans do all the work.
  • redstreak one
    We still have a couple of divisions in Korea ready to defend their borders, sorry for that confusion! lol My point is that we have troops abroad doing the same job they could be doing here!
  • Belly35
    Obama State Department to ‘Compare’ Arizona Anti-Immigration Law to China’s Human Rights ‘Abuses’

    Assistant Secretary of State Michael Posner should be fired ASAP………

    This asshole I would bet did not read the Az Immigration Law but just follows Obama Administration like someone would lead a pig around by a nose ring….


    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/66225

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100518/pl_afp/usimmigrationarizonachinarights_20100518154618
  • CenterBHSFan
    Belly, I was listening to some of that about Posner this morning on the radio. All I could do was shake my head. I mean, people love to point fingers at republicans all the time, but just look at some of the assinine statements that come out of democrats mouths. It's amazing to me.

    SMH...
  • QuakerOats
    http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/Power-Play-Over-Immigration-Law-94251079.html
  • jmog
    I just read that on another news source and think its hilarious.

    Don't threaten sanctions/boycotts on someone who holds your balls in their hands.

    Threaten to boycott AZ when AZ supplies a good portion of your electricity, LA is ran by some dumb people.
  • FatHobbit
    jmog wrote:
    I just read that on another news source and think its hilarious.

    Don't threaten sanctions/boycotts on someone who holds your balls in their hands.

    Threaten to boycott AZ when AZ supplies a good portion of your electricity, LA is ran by some dumb people.
    I wonder if they even considered what boycotting Arizona meant before they made that decision. lol
  • QuakerOats
    FatHobbit wrote: I wonder if they even considered what boycotting Arizona meant before they made that decision. lol
    I doubt it, similar to Holder and Napolitano bitching about the law without having read it. I used to think this administration was more dangerous because they were intelligent radicals, but I am starting to wonder if they are really just plain stupid.
  • redstreak one
    Think before you speak, nah thats not a trait inherinent to politicians! lol
  • Glory Days
    i think its funny that he says AZ is isolating itself from the rest of America. what do the national polls say about supporting or not supporting the law?
  • tk421
    Glory Days wrote: i think its funny that he says AZ is isolating itself from the rest of America. what do the national polls say about supporting or not supporting the law?
    Pretty much overwhelmingly in favor of. I've not seen or heard anyone disapprove that didn't have some kind of liberal agenda.

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/12/2312319.aspx
    http://people-press.org/report/613/arizona-immigration-law
    http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-enlargePic07.html?project=imageShell07&bigImage=NBCWSJPOLL-WSJ-100513.gif&h=870&w=959&title=WSJ.COM&thePubDate=20080826
    http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/polls-arizona-immigration-law-remind
    http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2010/05/17/daily46.html
  • QuakerOats
    http://www.breitbart.tv/calderon-before-congress-az-immigration-law-carries-great-amount-of-risk/

    For God's sake, whose country is it ???????
  • ptown_trojans_1
    Yeah, not a fan of that move at all. It is one thing to say you disagree with it, but another to say it in such an official setting.
  • CenterBHSFan
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
    Yeah, not a fan of that move at all. It is one thing to say you disagree with it, but another to say it in such an official setting.
    To say the least.
    ......................................

    In general,

    For the dems (including Biden and Pelosi) to give Chalderon a standing ovation is beyond me.
    And even though there's alot of people who disagree with me, I'll say for the second time/second incident, that I'm embarrassed of some of the conduct of this administration. They've got the practice of auto-masochism down to a fine tuned artform. They should carry on that activity in private and not the world stage.