posted by Laley23

It’s not that hard...block.

 

Automatic "block"?  Then an off-ball offensive player can run over a defender who has 4 fouls... BLOCK!!!

posted by ernest_t_bass

Automatic "block"?  Then an off-ball offensive player can run over a defender who has 4 fouls... BLOCK!!!

What are you talking about? You are really overthinking an easy solution to a huge problem in CBK.

I'm describing an "off ball charge," am I not?  

posted by ernest_t_bass

I'm describing an "off ball charge," am I not?  

Sure? Which is irrelevant to what I am discussing. But sure. 

Its simple, if you are the primary defender on a ball handler, you can take a charge by being set and in position. If you are not a primary defender, you cannot. So when the primary defender gets beat on a drive, the help defense cannot take a charge, they must contest the shot; either by trying to block the shot, or by going straight up with the rule of verticality.

I’m failing to see what is confusing about this? Maybe the rule would need some tweaks...like I said, limit it to plays in the key? Or expand the semi circle and limit it to plays in the semi circle? Not sure, but it wouldn’t be hard to implement and would clean up the game. Players would adjust very fast. Took NBA players about 2 playoff series to adjust to the rule of verticality 5 years ago. 

You said off ball charges, not secondary defender.  Now you're starting to make a little more sense.  So sticking with verticality... if the defender goes straight up, just play on?  If the defender gains LGP, but does not jump, just play on?  Or must a defender jump in order to not get a block called?

When a D is in zone, there isn’t a primary defender....so there could never be a charge in your scenario?

posted by ernest_t_bass

You said off ball charges, not secondary defender.  Now you're starting to make a little more sense.  So sticking with verticality... if the defender goes straight up, just play on?  If the defender gains LGP, but does not jump, just play on?  Or must a defender jump in order to not get a block called?

I said off ball charges because I was harking back to the discussion from last season. Secondary defender is what I’ve meant the whole time. As for play on...I think a defender has to jump and contest. I think if they are set and go straight up, it’s the best defense you can play. It isn’t as dangerous, makes it very tough to finish over, and simplifies the rules for players/coaches/officials...and fans lol.

posted by slingshot4ever

When a D is in zone, there isn’t a primary defender....so there could never be a charge in your scenario?

Now we are getting into some good discussion! That does make it a more complicated rule, I guess I’d say yes, no charges. I also think it would work itself out, as players adjusted to verticality jumping. Personally, I think it’s a more effective way to stop a player anyway. 

And since I specify earlier I don’t think, I am speaking strictly on if a player dribbling goes up for a shot. So in the zone, a defender could establish “on ball” position and take a charge on the drive before they get to a point to jump. 

Duke takes down Kansas.....gonna be a good season

Kansas had a ton of turnovers,very sloppy game but still entertaining.
Kentucky and Michigan State in a close game so far.

I don’t think I saw a lottery pick out there, aside from Maxey who would be 10-15 range. Can’t remember the last time that happened with those 4.

Made a new thread for this season.