posted by SpockYou guys are nuts......Zion is easily the first pick. He is a easily a 10 rebound a game guy and a nightmare in the post for some guard to match up with.
10 rebounds a game, wow!
posted by SportsAndLady10 rebounds a game, wow!
He and about 20 other guys in the NBA, including someone already on the Cavs.
The Cavs should take the best player available because, well, they suck—and the BPA will be better than anyone they have now...anyone.
I’ve thought this way during non conference play, but why does everyone think the B1G will get 10 teams in. Half this league fucking sucks. Absolute trash. 2 great teams. 1 good team and then questions to bad to garbage.
posted by Laley23I’ve thought this way during non conference play, but why does everyone think the B1G will get 10 teams in. Half this league fucking sucks. Absolute trash. 2 great teams. 1 good team and then questions to bad to garbage.
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posted by Laley23I’ve thought this way during non conference play, but why does everyone think the B1G will get 10 teams in. Half this league fucking sucks. Absolute trash. 2 great teams. 1 good team and then questions to bad to garbage.
It'll logically wind up at 7-8, more likely. The "10" talk, regardless of how seriously the "I pick the tourney 2 months early" dipshits on TV could only realistically have been a best case scenario where none of the top 10 lose to a bottom 4 team and 6-7 of those teams are all between 12-8 and 8-12 in conference play to go along with how most of those teams, with the exceptions of Purdue and Wisky, only had 1-2 non-conference losses.
As for the rest of this, where most of the conference is trash other than three teams, that sounds like the sort of over-reaction one has when their team has lost 5 straight or so. By those standards, every conference in the country has 3-4 good teams and nothing but trash since the vast majority of teams out there either have an inexplicable loss or a loss to a good team that was a shocking blowout instead of a close game.
No, I’m confident in the amount I’ve seen that the bottom teams are garbage (Rutgers/Illinois/PSU). The bottom middle teams are bad (OSU/IU/NW). And the upper middle all have a ton of questions. Wisconsin, Iowa and Purdue are the upper middle right now. What’s those teams best win OOC? Oregon? Xavier? Coupled with Wisconsin and Purdue having awful loses on the resume.
Nebraska and Minnesota I’m not sure on. They could be solid, but also can look bad any given night. I expect Nebraska to finish top 5 though, maybe higher. I like there core.
Main thing I looked at is that by my count (ie: good chance I screwed up the numbers at some point), the conference is 30-26 against power conference foes (Big East, SEC, ACC, Big 12, Pac-12). I just used those conferences to keep it simple, even though it takes away some games against teams superior to a lot of power conference teams (Illinois' loss to Gonzaga and OSU's win over Cincinnati). Most of the team had winning records against big-conference foes, but Purdue (0-4) and Illinois (0-5) really dragged down the overall performance (30-17 without them).
And a lot of the teams currently in the middle/lower parts of the pack were the teams that carried the conference to those non-conference wins. Hell, I think it was PSU who beat Va Tech, who has been a top 10 team for a while this season. To me, where you're saying the conference is mainly trash, I see a league with a couple great teams and a lot of decent-to-good ones, where they're able to beat most teams on a given day, but don't have consistent excellence to put those long streaks together. To where the conference will have 5-6 teams in the 6-11 seed range in March where they're in the "win one, maybe two" expectation zone.
I bet Huggy Bear is happy 😂😂😂
posted by Ironman92I bet Huggy Bear is happy 😂😂😂
Bad loss for IU...very bad
What the hell is happening in Bloomington?
posted by vball10setBad loss for IU...very bad
Indiana can’t have bad loses at this point. Just loses.
posted by wildcats20What the hell is happening in Bloomington?
Injuries, zero shooters, no leadership. They only have 2 guys who can do anything on offense, and neither can shoot it. Ergo, they basically can’t do anything offensively. And Morgan can’t stay on the floor.
Also a lot of guys who don’t really know how to play. As in, Morgan gets it on the block, and Smith, because he isn’t a smart player, runs from corner to the other block and brings the defense. A few guards are really dumb also.
I could keep going. But they really aren’t a very good team without Hunter and Davis, among others, but those are the biggest loses.
It was an honest question. I haven’t really paid much attention.
It’s definitely not a good loss, but Rutgers isn’t terrible and are a middle of the pack B1G team. They’re better than IU. And Rutgers was only a 2 point underdog. It’s not like this was some crazy upset.
Archie is in some trouble
posted by SportsAndLadyIt’s definitely not a good loss, but Rutgers isn’t terrible and are a middle of the pack B1G team. They’re better than IU. And Rutgers was only a 2 point underdog. It’s not like this was some crazy upset.
Archie is in some trouble
unfortunately this says more about the weak B1G than it does Rutgers...MSU, ttun, Maryland & Purdue are the strength of the conference, and it's still uncertain how far these teams will go in the tournament--if they make it that far...
posted by vball10setunfortunately this says more about the weak B1G than it does Rutgers...MSU, ttun, Maryland & Purdue are the strength of the conference, and it's still uncertain how far these teams will go in the tournament--if they make it that far...
This is where I’m at. Northwestern, PSU, Rutgers, Nebraska, etc can have really good classes, and compete for a year or 2. But when all of them are competing and winning games, the conference as a whole is likely lacking.
Purdue and Wisconsin seem to have it turned around, but a bad 2 week stretch would cripple them because they were awful OOC.
posted by wildcats20It was an honest question. I haven’t really paid much attention.
It’s kind of a stark realization of what Crean left; i.e. not a whole lot. Morgan is the only B1G capable player (healthy) on the team that Crean left around, imo.
Archie should have this team in a much better spot than they are, though. Solid class coming in (especially if they land Keion Brooks), but next year better be solid or he will be in hot water. Some are already there, but I’m kinda taking a more logical approach. Take Romeo off this team, where do you predict them pre-season? Yes, a top-5/10 pick should elevate that prediction, but he isn’t a selfish player so he is easily “taken out of the game” by defensive schemes. Just shows how little talent is actually on the roster at the moment.
posted by Laley23This is where I’m at. Northwestern, PSU, Rutgers, Nebraska, etc can have really good classes, and compete for a year or 2. But when all of them are competing and winning games, the conference as a whole is likely lacking.
Purdue and Wisconsin seem to have it turned around, but a bad 2 week stretch would cripple them because they were awful OOC.
Currently, PSU has no conference wins and the other three are all between 4-6 and 3-7. Your point literally seems to be "if the lower-tier teams can do ANYTHING, that's bad for the conference's look". Which makes no sense.
Like you said, Indiana is hurt by injuries and is sucking now. Nebraska lost arguably their best player for the year and that probably moves them from middle-of-the-pack to near the bottom. But, still, with the exception of Purdue (who is playing really good right now) and Illinois, the conference had a ton of OOC success against big-conference teams. Acting like everyone is blah or weak because most of these teams are trading wins and losses now that they're in conference play is just faulty logic. If you looked really good early and you're looking ordinary or sub-par now AND there were not any key injuries or suspensions between early and now to explain that, odds are it's because you are in a tough conference where you'll get punished for any mistake you make, whether it be poor ball-handling (Ohio State) or completely laying an egg in road games (Minnesota), because even the middle-of-the-pack and below teams in the B1G have the ability to exploit those flaws.
Besides, if we have to endure the SEC fucks/ESPN/etc. being all obnoxious about the "durr, we play each other and we're all good, so there are NO BAD LOSSES, ONLY GOOD WINS!!!!!" shit with football, we might as well toss it back whenever we have a chance in basketball. Humility is for the weak.
Using “big conference schools” is also flawed logic. Michigan and Michigan State are the only teams who I would tab as second weekend teams. There are 14 damn teams in the league, and it’s only produced two viable ones. That’s not good for a conference who has some really good tradition.
Hell, in another week or 2 we may only have half the conference predicted in the tournament, which is also bad. Not PAC-12 level bad, but bad.
posted by Laley23Using “big conference schools” is also flawed logic. Michigan and Michigan State are the only teams who I would tab as second weekend teams. There are 14 damn teams in the league, and it’s only produced two viable ones. That’s not good for a conference who has some really good tradition.
Hell, in another week or 2 we may only have half the conference predicted in the tournament, which is also bad. Not PAC-12 level bad, but bad.
All I'm saying is that you use the standards you're using to judge the B1G universally, you'd come to the conclusion that every conference stinks outside of its top 1-2-3 teams (except for the Pac-12, which stinks including its top 1-2-3 teams). I'd also question your definition of the word "viable". If you're defining "viable" as "having the potential to reach the Final Four or farther", I'd agree, but I guess I look at "viable" as more along the lines of "having the ability to get in and win one, if not more", to where I'd say they have 6 viable teams (adding Purdue, Wisc, Iowa and Maryland to the two Michigan schools).
It’s absolutely bonkers that Silvio De Sousa just got suspended for two years for a custodian taking $2,500. The NCAA legit just makes up punishments along the way.
Iowa beats down Michigan.
posted by wildcats20Iowa beats down Michigan.
yup, 'beats down' is a good way to put it, and even though they won by 15, it really wasn't even that close--Iowa kicked their ass