posted by gut
Oh...so rape is now based on proof of coercion....Good to know....

What do you think the definition of rape is? Physically or manipulatively coercing someone to have sex who has said no.

Since we are talking about a criminal act, in the United States of America you need proof of such coercion. 

You can't be that stupid right?

I wish the Browns had a tenth of the spunk the Guardians have.  They are depressing as hell to watch.  What will we do when Deshaun comes back and there's no measurable improvement?

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I wish the Browns had a tenth of the spunk the Guardians have.  They are depressing as hell to watch.  What will we do when Deshaun comes back and there's no measurable improvement?

bitch and moan like we always do?

posted by kizer permanente

bitch and moan like we always do?

I'm very down on the Browns.  I know, I know...every year it's going to be different.  I bought in this year.  After yesterday, I decided I'm not wasting another beautiful fall afternoon inside watching this train wreck.  A day of NFL football inside yesterday was one of the most depressing experiences I've had in awhile.  Every game looks exactly the same.

Blistered for over 300 yards by a third-string rookie QB on the road.  Mindboggling.  If that doesn't get somebody fired, nothing will. 

I believe the Haslams are the problem. Culture starts at gff by e top and theirs is a losing culture.  

When our accused sexual predator comes back, what’s to think Chubb will be properly utilized even then?

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

When our accused sexual predator comes back, what’s to think Chubb will be properly utilized even then?

I expect Stefanski, if he's still around, to open up the offense and throw even more. Problem is that last time Watson played with a shitty defense I'm pretty sure he had a career numbers year yet the team went 4-12.

Chubb still a monster. Defense still trash. Special teams also trash. 

The over under on Chubb was 16.5 carries. Vegas is dirty lol

posted by iclfan2

Chubb still a monster. Defense still trash. Special teams also trash. 

Not sure what game you watched but this was FAR from on the defense. Defense held Lamar in check.

This was a "can't use a legit offense because you have a shitty journeyman QB running the show" type of game. Other than money, still scratching my head why they dumped Case Keenum for this one read joker.

posted by BR1986FB

Not sure what game you watched but this was FAR from on the defense. Defense held Lamar in check.

This was a "can't use a legit offense because you have a shitty journeyman QB running the show" type of game. Other than money, still scratching my head why they dumped Case Keenum for this one read joker.

Even with a shitty QB, the drive where we ran both Chubb and and Hunt, we went right down the field and looked like a different team. It's so frustrating to have one of the best backfields in the league and no clue how to use them.

Yeah…defense wasn’t today’s problem. Long punt return and fumble by Brissett game Baltimore immediate red zone field position 

posted by Al Bundy

Even with a shitty QB, the drive where we ran both Chubb and and Hunt, we went right down the field and looked like a different team. It's so frustrating to have one of the best backfields in the league and no clue how to use them.

Whether it's Stefanski's shitty play calling or the previous shitty outings by the defense, they are putting Brissett is a bad position....a position where he has to win games. That's not Jacoby Brissett. He won't lose you games, if put in the right environment, but he sure as Hell isn't going to win them. He's a one read QB who doesn't see  the field well (sound familiar?).

Cooper also didn't help them pushing off when he didn't need to.

What's sad is that Baltimore is a very average to below average team. I've resigned myself to the fact that the Browns are the same. That was not a good team they faced and they still couldn't find a way to win. Even Seattle, who I picked to have the #1 pick in the draft, manhandled the Chargers, who the Browns couldn't beat.

posted by BR1986FB

Whether it's Stefanski's shitty play calling or the previous shitty outings by the defense, they are putting Brissett is a bad position....a position where he has to win games. That's not Jacoby Brissett. He won't lose you games, if put in the right environment, but he sure as Hell isn't going to win them. He's a one read QB who doesn't see  the field well (sound familiar?).

Cooper also didn't help them pushing off when he didn't need to.

What's sad is that Baltimore is a very average to below average team. I've resigned myself to the fact that the Browns are the same. That was not a good team they faced and they still couldn't find a way to win. Even Seattle, who I picked to have the #1 pick in the draft, manhandled the Chargers, who the Browns couldn't beat.

Browns are listening to trade offers for Kareem Hunt & Greedy Williams

posted by BR1986FB

Browns are listening to trade offers for Kareem Hunt & Greedy Williams

Greedy sucks, and our coach doesn't know how to use running backs.

posted by BR1986FB

Browns are listening to trade offers for Kareem Hunt & Greedy Williams

They have to get some draft picks back after the haul they sent to the Texans.

That Bears game REALLY pissed me off last night. They did whatever they needed to do to win. Do I think that teams like Atlanta, NYJ's, Chargers & Ravens are better than the Browns? No, but they do whatever it takes to win.

I don't hate analytics but the Browns brass won't do whatever they need to do to win. They stay within their guardrails and don't deviate. If the analytics say "don't run Nick Chubb more than 24x's in a game" if they need a yard to seal that victory, and Chubb has 24 carries, Kareem Hunt is getting the ball. Do they want to win? Sure but it's gotta be their way. Will stick to their analytics even if it means taking the "L." If the analytics say "don't pick up a perennial All-Pro defensive tackle to help fix your run defense if he's over 30 years old" they won't deviate. It has to be THEIR way so they can prove that they're the smartest. Their smugness will earn them pink slips.

Oh, and just to show you PFF's value, the Browns should be 6-1 according to their "adjusted scoring analytics." SMDH

The PFF part makes sense. I think they were the better team, play to play, in every game but the Pats. 

posted by BR1986FB

That Bears game REALLY pissed me off last night. They did whatever they needed to do to win. Do I think that teams like Atlanta, NYJ's, Chargers & Ravens are better than the Browns? No, but they do whatever it takes to win.

I don't hate analytics but the Browns brass won't do whatever they need to do to win. They stay within their guardrails and don't deviate. If the analytics say "don't run Nick Chubb more than 24x's in a game" if they need a yard to seal that victory, and Chubb has 24 carries, Kareem Hunt is getting the ball. Do they want to win? Sure but it's gotta be their way. Will stick to their analytics even if it means taking the "L." If the analytics say "don't pick up a perennial All-Pro defensive tackle to help fix your run defense if he's over 30 years old" they won't deviate. It has to be THEIR way so they can prove that they're the smartest. Their smugness will earn them pink slips.

Oh, and just to show you PFF's value, the Browns should be 6-1 according to their "adjusted scoring analytics." SMDH

Coaches and players can blame the process and the analytics; no person is responsible for anything.  

...seems that's where EVERYTHING is heading. 

posted by gut

In other less surprising news, Watson is accused of rape...Again....

Umm yeah, this newest accuser is "legit"....

#Browns QB Deshaun Watson filed a motion for sanctions after the latest lawsuit against him—claiming this woman's allegations against him weren't given a "reasonable inquiry" by the law firm before filing suit, providing messages they suggest may show "a case of unrequited love." pic.twitter.com/31PUUUB0TG

— Camryn Justice (@camijustice) October 26, 2022

posted by BR1986FB

Umm yeah, this newest accuser is "legit"....

#Browns QB Deshaun Watson filed a motion for sanctions after the latest lawsuit against him—claiming this woman's allegations against him weren't given a "reasonable inquiry" by the law firm before filing suit, providing messages they suggest may show "a case of unrequited love." pic.twitter.com/31PUUUB0TG

— Camryn Justice (@camijustice) October 26, 2022

and how many of the others were just like this? I'm guessing probably like 20 or so. 

posted by kizer permanente

and how many of the others were just like this? I'm guessing probably like 20 or so. 

Exactly. I believe maybe 2-3 may have been legit which is still 2-3 too many. The rest were money grabs.

Also some texts followed from this last "victim" that she'd "never accuse him of anything" and that she'd "love to fall in love with him."

posted by BR1986FB

Umm yeah, this newest accuser is "legit"...

No less legit than the 2 women who accused Roethlisberger.

I will never stop laughing at the endless contortions you put yourself in to support a proven serial sexual assaulter.