posted by queencitybuckeye

Your definition of oppression is one, oppression as a state of being is another dictionary definition of the word, which does not require it to be long-term.

Accepting your definition for the moment, are you taking the position that a lack of oppression makes racism acceptable?

My position is lack of oppression or marginalization takes away racism. Which is why there aren't any white dudes here that experience racism. 

posted by kizer permanente

My position is lack of oppression or marginalization takes away racism. Which is why there aren't any white dudes here that experience racism. 

If you're going to be consistent, that would mean that the majority sex (women) are not victims of sexism.

posted by queencitybuckeye

If you're going to be consistent, that would mean that the majority sex (women) are not victims of sexism.

Why? Bc they’re a slight majority? Again… that’s why theres a key distinction of oppression or marginalization right? 

posted by kizer permanente

Why? Bc they’re a slight majority? Again… that’s why theres a key distinction of oppression or marginalization right? 

It only takes one person, like a bigoted supervisor, for a white person to be a victim of racism. To believe otherwise is simply ignorant.

Now the couple times I've been harassed by supervisors/colleagues could have just been because they were asshole psychopaths, most likely even....but I think the way this works is when the skin color is different, then it's definitely racism.

posted by gut

It only takes one person, like a bigoted supervisor, for a white person to be a victim of racism. To believe otherwise is simply ignorant.

Now the couple times I've been harassed by supervisors/colleagues could have just been because they were asshole psychopaths, most likely even....but I think the way this works is when the skin color is different, then it's definitely racism.

Nah I disagree. All you’d have to do is find another job and leave it behind  that doesn’t work for oppressed people  

posted by kizer permanente

Why? Bc they’re a slight majority? Again… that’s why theres a key distinction of oppression or marginalization right? 

This seems to make being a minority a prerequisite for one "-ism", but not another (kind of random):

"How could a white dude experience racism? When have white dudes ever been the minority?"

posted by queencitybuckeye

This seems to make being a minority a prerequisite for one "-ism", but not another (kind of random):

"How could a white dude experience racism? When have white dudes ever been the minority?"

No  it’s a component, specifically in his situation.  Why’d you cherry picked 1 thing and ignore the rest though? I’m sure you read it all lol  

posted by kizer permanente

No  it’s a component, specifically in his situation.  Why’d you cherry picked 1 thing and ignore the rest though? I’m sure you read it all lol  

IOW, you change your argument to suit your preconceived opinions.

posted by queencitybuckeye

IOW, you change your argument to suit your preconceived opinions.

No in other words you prefer straw man debates lol . I’ve explicitly stated what constitutes racism. And directly to you.  So miss me with your bs. 

posted by kizer permanente

All you’d have to do is find another job and leave it behind  that doesn’t work for oppressed people  

Definitely easier to do when one doesn't externalize all one's failures and embrace a victim mentality.

Still blatant discrimination, but as far as "oppression", that's more of a perception/mindset than a reality in today's landscape.

Typically, to help people deal with or overcome being a victim, you try to empower and strengthen them.  Contrast that with how CRT is being debated in education today.  Perpetuate and increase perceptions of oppression, and indoctrinate kids from an early age - that's just fucking evil, and the people it harms are...applauding it?

Not that it matters since these kids will never reach puberty....because climate change.

posted by kizer permanente

No  it’s a component, specifically in his situation.  Why’d you cherry picked 1 thing and ignore the rest though? I’m sure you read it all lol  

It's a textbook case of discrimination.  You can claim that's not racism, but the courts and the law disagree with you.

posted by gut

It's a textbook case of discrimination.  You can claim that's not racism, but the courts and the law disagree with you.

Courts and Law don't rule on racism. They rule on racial discrimination. 

posted by kizer permanente

I’ve explicitly stated what constitutes racism. And directly to you.  So miss me with your bs. 

You explicitly stated that the majority group cannot be victims of racism. That is a valid opinion that I disagree with. If you're going to be consistent, it means the majority sex cannot be victims of sexism. It can't be different from group to group.

posted by queencitybuckeye

You explicitly stated that the majority group cannot be victims of racism. That is a valid opinion that I disagree with. If you're going to be consistent, it means the majority sex cannot be victims of sexism. It can't be different from group to group.

No I explicitly said , and to directly to you at least once, oppression and marginalization are required for racism. You’re choosing to pretend  I didn’t and refuting other points. That’s strawman debating and weak af. You should be better than that. 

posted by kizer permanente

No I explicitly said , and to directly to you at least once, oppression and marginalization are required for racism. You’re choosing to pretend  I didn’t and refuting other points. That’s strawman debating and weak af. You should be better than that. 

It's not, you may have said those things, but you also made the majority point. IOW, you gave three things that are required for racism, but now are pretending you only said two of them. That's called a lie and is weak af. Why are you pretending you didn't say it?

posted by queencitybuckeye

It's not, you may have said those things, but you also made the majority point. Why are you pretending you didn't say it?

I’m not pretending I didn’t say it. I’m acknowledging I said it and how you’re only refuting that point. Hence the strawman. You’re a liar if you’re saying I didn’t explicitly say what’s required for racism.  Just bc  don’t agree with it, doesn’t mean you can pretend I didn’t explicitly state it. 

posted by queencitybuckeye

It's not, you may have said those things, but you also made the majority point. IOW, you gave three things that are required for racism, but now are pretending you only said two of them. That's called a lie and is weak af. Why are you pretending you didn't say it?

Omfg dude lol . No I told you what’s required  for racism. I didn’t say being a minority was required. Did I? I said it was a component in his case. I have explicitly said what’s required. You ignore what I said is required bc  you prefer strawman tactics . I’m not interested in that. 

posted by kizer permanente

I’m not pretending I didn’t say it. I’m acknowledging I said it and how you’re only refuting that point. Hence the strawman. You’re a liar if you’re saying I didn’t explicitly say what’s required for racism.  Just bc  don’t agree with it, doesn’t mean you can pretend I didn’t explicitly state it. 

If you claim that three things must be true to be racism, all of them must be true. If you change your argument to include only two, you failed to make your case.

posted by kizer permanente

I didn’t say being a minority was required. Did I?

posted by queencitybuckeye

If you claim that three things must be true to be racism, all of them must be true. If you change your argument to include only two, you failed to make your case.

I didn’t claim 3 things are required. I said what’s required. You’re claiming (wrongly) I claimed that. 

posted by kizer permanente

My position is lack of oppression or marginalization takes away racism. Which is why there aren't any white dudes here that experience racism. 

posted by kizer permanente

I didn’t claim 3 things are required. I said what’s required. You’re claiming (wrongly) I claimed that. 

No, you're simply telling a lie.

posted by queencitybuckeye

No, you're simply telling a lie.

Ok

posted by kizer permanente

lol dude.. Do we live in the same world? How could a white dude experience racism? When have white dudes ever been the minority? When have white dudes ever been marginalized? Where exactly do you live that this is the case for you? I've been a lot of places in this world and literally nowhere has this been the case. And I mean literally. No one is treating white dudes like shit in this world man lol 

Apparently you don’t live in the same world, and racism is based on skin color alone not who is a minority and who is not. And that is the actual definition of racism not some changed version where we just call it “prejudice” if it’s against whites and “racism” when it is against anyone else.

If you treat someone, especially in a negative way, solely based on their race, that’s racist even if that person is white.

Sorry if you don’t understand that.

posted by kizer permanente

Courts and Law don't rule on racism. They rule on racial discrimination. 

Sounds like a classic case of a distinction without a difference.

So actual, quantifiable financial harm isn't racism, but stop & frisk is?