Just saw this:

What do you think? Do you think it will happen?

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/12/clinton-aide-2020-run-983684

posted by CenterBHSFan

Just saw this:

What do you think? Do you think it will happen?

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/12/clinton-aide-2020-run-983684

one of the main headline on CNN website all day

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/12/politics/hillary-clinton-2020-donald-trump/index.html

posted by Spock

one of the main headline on CNN website all day

It's hard to imagine Hillary actually getting the nomination again.  Although in a crowded field, I could see the name recognition carrying her not unlike it did with Trump.

Otherwise, if the Dems are going to spend the next 2 years subpoenaing everyone and everything instead of legislating, then I predict 2020 doesn't go well for the them.

Hillary, what part of "We don't want you." are you not understanding?

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Hillary, what part of "We don't want you." are you not understanding?

all of it.

She better be careful.  Its obvious that the deep state does not want her to run (hence the media running a negative article on it)...the lap dogs of the Dems like Pelosi and Schiff will expand the Mueller investigation to look into her crooked behavior to just eliminate her from running.  Likely the only reason for dems to keep this Mueller thing going. They can use it to manipulate the 2020 election

If not Hillary, then who? Kamala Harris? Bernie? Spart- er... Corey Booker (although he's got more charisma than all others combined)? Chuck Schumer? Elizabeth Warren? Beto?

posted by CenterBHSFan

If not Hillary, then who? Kamala Harris? Bernie? Spart- er... Corey Booker (although he's got more charisma than all others combined)? Chuck Schumer? Elizabeth Warren? Beto?

Well, since the last few races have been won by the guy best at telling people what they want to hear and making them believe he's out to help them, the bolded part might be important.

posted by CenterBHSFan

If not Hillary, then who? Kamala Harris? Bernie? Spart- er... Corey Booker (although he's got more charisma than all others combined)? Chuck Schumer? Elizabeth Warren? Beto?

Harris doesn't quite have the name recognition of the rest.

I could see Crazy Uncle Bernie getting it, as a choice out of regretting not getting more votes in the previous primary.  "If we'd nominated Bernie, he would have won."  That jazz.

Booker?  Eh, maybe.  You're right.  He has the charisma, for sure.  He's got the look, too ... tall, good posture, well-spoken.  He's "presidential."  Only thing I can think of is how campaign ads against him might affect his odds in the #metoo era.  Dude appears to have some hot-button skeletons in his closet.

Schumer is too old-Democrat in this era.  He'll feel too much like another Clinton.

Elizabeth Warren is a possibility.  She's got a strong foothold in the neoliberal movement ("Nevertheless, she persisted" was a popular mantra not so long ago).  She's seemed emboldened at times and certainly can speak with a fire.  She comes with risk, though, as she sometimes shoots herself in the foot with verbal gaffes.

Beto just lost a Senate race to a guy who isn't even that well-liked in the Republican Party.  No way he gets enough traction.

While it might not happen in 2020, Ocasio-Cortez will be 35 in 2024.  It wouldn't shock me to see the push for that, as her verbal gaffes seem to be overlooked for some reason.

 the dems bench is pretty short on just about everything but pure crazy

posted by O-Trap

While it might not happen in 2020, Ocasio-Cortez will be 35 in 2024.  It wouldn't shock me to see the push for that, as her verbal gaffes seem to be overlooked for some reason.

God help us. Don't think she would last a minute in a debate unless she practices for 6 years starting today. Also don't think she is that popular within her own party, but more a making of the repubs trying to say how bad she is. The old guard dems are probably not on her side

2020 for the dems are going to have a ton of people vying for it. I think it could be Bernie/ Hillary if they go old people, or Beto/ Sherrod Brown if they want to go young. Regardless of how absurd Beto was in TX, the national libs loved him. You'd get all the celebrities out for him. 

posted by iclfan2

God help us. Don't think she would last a minute in a debate unless she practices for 6 years starting today. Also don't think she is that popular within her own party, but more a making of the repubs trying to say how bad she is. The old guard dems are probably not on her side

2020 for the dems are going to have a ton of people vying for it. I think it could be Bernie/ Hillary if they go old people, or Beto/ Sherrod Brown if they want to go young. Regardless of how absurd Beto was in TX, the national libs loved him. You'd get all the celebrities out for him. 

The dems surely put all their money behind him and still couldnt win.

posted by iclfan2

God help us. Don't think she would last a minute in a debate unless she practices for 6 years starting today. Also don't think she is that popular within her own party, but more a making of the repubs trying to say how bad she is. The old guard dems are probably not on her side

Here's the thing: It seems like she already shouldn't have lasted.  However unpopular she is, she beat the incumbent in the primary, so I can't think she's THAT unpopular among her own party's constituency.

I wouldn't call her a shoo-in by any stretch, of course.  I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me to see a push for it by a younger subset of voters.
 

posted by iclfan2

2020 for the dems are going to have a ton of people vying for it. I think it could be Bernie/ Hillary if they go old people, or Beto/ Sherrod Brown if they want to go young. Regardless of how absurd Beto was in TX, the national libs loved him. You'd get all the celebrities out for him. 

I could see neolibs liking Beto.  I just think there might be enough who see him as too soft a target at the general election level.

Sherrod Brown, on the other hand, isn't a bad call.  He could be a legitimate candidate to come from the pack.

posted by O-Trap

Here's the thing: It seems like she already shouldn't have lasted.  However unpopular she is, she beat the incumbent in the primary, so I can't think she's THAT unpopular among her own party's constituency.

I wouldn't call her a shoo-in by any stretch, of course.  I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me to see a push for it by a younger subset of voters.
 

posted by iclfan2

2020 for the dems are going to have a ton of people vying for it. I think it could be Bernie/ Hillary if they go old people, or Beto/ Sherrod Brown if they want to go young. Regardless of how absurd Beto was in TX, the national libs loved him. You'd get all the celebrities out for him. 

I could see neolibs liking Beto.  I just think there might be enough who see him as too soft a target at the general election level.

Sherrod Brown, on the other hand, isn't a bad call.  He could be a legitimate candidate to come from the pack.

 

The dems would have to make the border a main issue with Beto running.  THat has proven to a loser nationwide.  He loses because of the border

posted by Heretic

Well, since the last few races have been won by the guy best at telling people what they want to hear and making them believe he's out to help them, the bolded part might be important.

I agree with this for the most part. Looking back when Bill Clinton ran the first and second times, a large part of the reason why he was elected was just because people liked him. He had charisma, told a good story and was often compared to Jack Kennedy. Booker has this aspect. 

I personally could never bring myself to vote for Elizabeth Warren. I don't think she could withstand Trump's bullying - at least, not as well as Clinton did. 

I also refuse to vote for somebody just because they could be "a first". I really don't care if Elizabeth Warren could crack coconuts with her ass cheeks I wouldn't vote for her just so she could be first woman President. It was the smallest part of why I didn't vote for Hillary.

posted by CenterBHSFan

Just saw this:

What do you think? Do you think it will happen?

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/12/clinton-aide-2020-run-983684

posted by O-Trap

While it might not happen in 2020, Ocasio-Cortez will be 35 in 2024.  It wouldn't shock me to see the push for that, as her verbal gaffes seem to be overlooked for some reason.

You know the reason...

posted by like_that

You know the reason...

 

 

fill us in.

posted by like_that

You know the reason...

See Palin.  I honestly don't.

posted by Spock

all of it.

 

She better be careful.  Its obvious that the deep state does not want her to run (hence the media running a negative article on it)...the lap dogs of the Dems like Pelosi and Schiff will expand the Mueller investigation to look into her crooked behavior to just eliminate her from running.  Likely the only reason for dems to keep this Mueller thing going. They can use it to manipulate the 2020 election

My God.  If you actually believe this stuff you spout on here, I am sorry for you.  That stuff is batshit crazy son.  You're only creating unnecessary anger and fear in yourself - no way to go through life.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

My God.  If you actually believe this stuff you spout on here, I am sorry for you.  That stuff is batshit crazy son.  You're only creating unnecessary anger and fear in yourself - no way to go through life.  

I guess time will tell.  The left has no boundaries.  

posted by CenterBHSFan

I agree with this for the most part. Looking back when Bill Clinton ran the first and second times, a large part of the reason why he was elected was just because people liked him. He had charisma, told a good story and was often compared to Jack Kennedy. Booker has this aspect. 

Yeah, Clinton was hip (playing the sax on Arsenio's show), Bush II was the guy you could see yourself tossing back a couple beers with, Obama was youthful and energetic and Trump had celebrity status and knows how to play a crowd. Compare any of those four to generic politicians like Hillary, who tends to come off as a robot trying to learn how to play human by watching and emulating, and it's easy to see how people who aren't all in on politics following would immediately drift to one over the other.

so.. not the cartel....

https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/four-arrested-in-connection-to-pike-county-murders

posted by geeblock

so.. not the cartel....

 

https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/four-arrested-in-connection-to-pike-county-murders

 

These may have been the unwitting executioners.  But the deep state surely had a hand in this.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

These may have been the unwitting executioners.  But the deep state surely had a hand in this.  

Ah, that deep state.  It's a tricky pickle.