posted by like_that

I still have not had one liberal (including boogie crying) tell me why Russia would legitimately want Trump to be president.  They just follow the media like sheep without even taking a step back and  questioning why Russia would want Trump as president.   As gut pointed out, Putin would prefer creating chaos.  The media and people like boogie have fallen for it for nearly 4 years now.  The 1980s called.  They want their policy back.

 

 

I don’t know if it was so much about wanting Trump as not wanting Hillary. It’s pretty obvious Trump had a more affectionate side to Russia and Hillary who was very hawkish to Russia. I’m sure the Kremlin knew foreign policy would be more favorable to them under Trump than Hillary. 

posted by kizer permanente

.... and Hillary who was very hawkish to Russia.

Her "reset button" was hawkish?!?

It's obviously flown under the radar because it doesn't support the narrative, but immediately after Trump was elected the Russian bots started running a bunch of anti-Trump, collusion, etc... stories.  I thought I saw something like all the "Russia interference" on Facebook and the like amounted to about $150k in ad buys.  Fixing an election for $150k - maybe we SHOULD outsource our govt to Russia!

And, let's not forget, the infamous Dossier ultimately had Russian assets as it's sources.  So Russia had all it's bases covered, and regardless of who won the loser was going to cry foul.

posted by like_that

I don't know.  You're the one who referred to Trump as Putin's lapdog, yet you can't answer a simple question.  You're so sure of him being Putin's lapdog, but you can't come up with one reason why he would be his lapdog? Thanks for proving my point. 

"They (US intelligence) said it was Russia. I don't see why it would be. He (Putin) said it wasn't. He was very strong in his denial.". All said standing next to Putin. A strong leader would have given the benefit of the doubt to his own country until he knew the facts. He was intimidated by the person in his presence. 

posted by gut

Her "reset button" was hawkish?!?

 

You seem to be the king of anecdotes?
I guess we’ll forget about the rest of the history like when Putin and the Kremlin blamed Hillary for anti government protests when she was speaking out against him. 

posted by kizer permanente

You seem to be the king of anecdotes?

Huh? Allow me to refresh your memory...

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

"They (US intelligence) said it was Russia. I don't see why it would be. He (Putin) said it wasn't. He was very strong in his denial.". All said standing next to Putin. A strong leader would have given the benefit of the doubt to his own country until he knew the facts. He was intimidated by the person in his presence. 

You’re pretty solid at writing/speaking a lot of words, without answering a very simple question.  Have you tried running for office?

posted by like_that

You’re pretty solid at writing/speaking a lot of words, without answering a very simple question.  Have you tried running for office?

You and I can run together. 

posted by like_that

Also congrats to the dems for embracing full on socialism after denying it for all these years.  Inb4 someone tells me Bernie is a "democratic socialist."

Socialist policies came on pretty strong during the New Deal. We've been subject to many for a long time. 

Should be interesting to see how old Turdie Sanders spins his recent praise of the Castro regime. Probably just flushed any chance he had of winning Florida down the drain.

posted by BR1986FB

Should be interesting to see how old Turdie Sanders spins his recent praise of the Castro regime. Probably just flushed any chance he had of winning Florida down the drain.

Terrible idea. Even with context, it's not a good look. Probably a lot of anti-Castro Cubans in FL will vote for Trump anyway. Still, a bad look for sure. 

I'm telling you, Biden's got a time bomb with this South Africa arrest claim. No one can verify that he was arrested and the guy who he was traveling with said they were never arrested. Seems like a big story waiting to happen. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I'm telling you, Biden's got a time bomb with this South Africa arrest claim. No one can verify that he was arrested and the guy who he was traveling with said they were never arrested. Seems like a big story waiting to happen. 

it's disturbing how he so casually lied about it to lol

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

You and I can run together. 

Wouldn't work out.  I'd try to run a no bullshit campaign, meanwhile everyone would see thru your bullshit. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Socialist policies came on pretty strong during the New Deal. We've been subject to many for a long time. 

Yeah, and he was a trash president.  

posted by like_that

...I'd try to run a no bullshit campaign...

Sadly, you'd never get more than 1% of the vote.

Rule #1 in a political campaign is never tell people the truth.  They'll hate you for it.

posted by gut

If you call yourself a Democratic Socialist in that group, you're actually a communist.

And it's hilarious how "the millionaires and billionaires" has become just "the billionaires".  Plus, if you got rich off a book then that's ok.  Education should be free, but your book costs money!

Still waiting for one of the dems running or one in the media to simply put it to the Bern:  socialism/communism has literally killed and impoverished hundreds of millions of people worldwide over recent centuries; why in the hell are you trying to push the United States into such systems? 

Also, giving Ukraine missiles in its defense against Russia is unequivocally more "anti-Russia" than anything the Obama Admin did.

This whole "Trump is a Putin lapdog" is really nothing more than an artifact of the Russian collusion hoax.  It's bubbling up again because of the Russia/Bernie/Trump interference, because the media just doesn't know when to give up.

It's definitely worth noting, however, that unlike last time, Congress was briefed and Bernie's campaign was made aware of the issue.  Although it sounds like, possibly, some of the things being leaked from that briefing are Adam bull-Schifft specials.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Terrible idea. Even with context, it's not a good look. Probably a lot of anti-Castro Cubans in FL will vote for Trump anyway. Still, a bad look for sure. 

Sure seems like the election is going to come down to Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin or some other small state.

I'd expect Ohio to be totally up for grabs, per usual, but I haven't heard much about it as a battleground state.  Too early to tell, and I haven't looked at polls because maybe it's just MI and PA are polling much higher for Dems than Ohio.

posted by gut

Sure seems like the election is going to come down to Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin or some other small state.

I'd expect Ohio to be totally up for grabs, per usual, but I haven't heard much about it as a battleground state.  Too early to tell, and I haven't looked at polls because maybe it's just MI and PA are polling much higher for Dems than Ohio.

It's curious that PA is polling so high for Sanders, bc with him wanting to ban fracking, it would really hurt them. "Researchers predict the state would lose roughly 609,000 jobs and $261 billion in gross domestic product by 2025 if lawmakers were to issue an outright ban on fracking. "

posted by iclfan2

It's curious that PA is polling so high for Sanders, bc with him wanting to ban fracking, it would really hurt them.

I'm not sure how much stock to put in polls, and they're definitely meaningless this early.

Normally I'd say beating Trump by a few points when he's not doing much campaigning or spending much money isn't a good sign.  Except he's never stopped doing any of that.  But, still, I'd expect when it becomes an actual head-to-head match-up Trump will pick-up more than a few points.

posted by iclfan2

It's curious that PA is polling so high for Sanders, bc with him wanting to ban fracking, it would really hurt them. "Researchers predict the state would lose roughly 609,000 jobs and $261 billion in gross domestic product by 2025 if lawmakers were to issue an outright ban on fracking. "

Don't know the breakdown but I'd think the numbers are spiked by the Philadelphia area and not so much the rural parts.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Socialist policies came on pretty strong during the New Deal. We've been subject to many for a long time. 

Yeah, and he was a trash president.  

 

But it has helped/benefited hundreds of millions of people and didn't destroy the country like the Right promised it would. I think that's why you see such a movement now. People are using history to show how the same people have used the same scare tactics over time. In the past week alone I've seen political cartoons and advertisements that if it weren't for the obvious age, you'd think they were made today. The same scare tactics promising Communism and the downfall of Capitalism were used during the New  Deal. The New Deal took place... yet the right is claiming we need to keep this from happening so Socialism and Communism doesn't take over like it did 80 years ago. Oh wait.. it didn't happen then either. 

posted by kizer permanente

But it has helped/benefited hundreds of millions of people and didn't destroy the country like the Right promised it would. I think that's why you see such a movement now. People are using history to show how the same people have used the same scare tactics over time. In the past week alone I've seen political cartoons and advertisements that if it weren't for the obvious age, you'd think they were made today. The same scare tactics promising Communism and the downfall of Capitalism were used during the New  Deal. The New Deal took place... yet the right is claiming we need to keep this from happening so Socialism and Communism doesn't take over like it did 80 years ago. Oh wait.. it didn't happen then either. 

Social Security and Medicare are broke – unfunded liabilities into the tens of trillions of dollars.  So if you want to go fully speed ahead with more of that, then yes, it will be game over.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

Social Security and Medicare are broke – unfunded liabilities into the tens of trillions of dollars.  So if you want to go fully speed ahead with more of that, then yes, it will be game over.

When you make cuts to it, that tends to happen. 

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

Social Security and Medicare are broke – unfunded liabilities into the tens of trillions of dollars.  So if you want to go fully speed ahead with more of that, then yes, it will be game over.

Neither SS nor Medicare are broke. That is part of the typical scare tactic references above. Just because you guys want to repeat that mantra over and over doesn't make it true. 

posted by like_that

Wouldn't work out.  I'd try to run a no bullshit campaign, meanwhile everyone would see thru your bullshit. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Socialist policies came on pretty strong during the New Deal. We've been subject to many for a long time. 

Yeah, and he was a trash president.  

 

Very compelling argument.