Hilarious hearing the dems literally mimicking the Iranian foreign minister and other Iranian radicals in commenting on Trump taking out the terrorist. Honest to Christ you’d think the dems were the enemy as well.
posted by gutThere is no proof of that. Climate Change is always blamed, as that's what their rigged models predict, but research has not established a signal in the empirical [actual] data. That has been the case for hurricanes, tornadoes, wild fires, flooding, etc...
And it shouldn't be surprising when you're talking less than 1 degree warmer than the 1880 baseline or whatever (and less compared to other decades since then). Also, more of the warming occurs on the lower end (higher lows) and at night. And about 2/3 of warming has occured in the upper 2/3 of the northern hemisphere (last I checked Australia is in the southern hemisphere). So this theory that climate change is causing worse wild fires should fail the common sense test.
There's no doubt CO2 has caused some warming. But probably not all of it, and the more you dig the more the "existential crisis" melts away (pun intended).
posted by jmoghttps://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50602971
You can keep saying climate change, but repeating it over and over doesn't make you right.
Actual science has already stated that it is due to arson AND exacerbated by the Indian Ocean Dipole, which is a naturally occuring event (their version of El Nino).
This is the most severe IOD in 60 years, that part is true, but that also means that there have been even worse IODs back "before" we were spewing that much CO2 into the air.
My position is not the typical liberal position that climate change is man made and we are all doomed. I take it as the science is still up in the air as to the causes, but we cannot deny that the climate itself is changing over time.
That change could be the normal cycle or it could be radical cycle due to man made elements, but regardless, it is changing.
That could lead to the worse IOD, to drier elements that could worsen fires or sea level rises, glacial melting, etc. Those are happening. Whether they are normal or man made is TBD and up to science. I'm pretty open to things and immediately do not dismiss things or deny things. I also am not as jaded as some on here toward any and all climate science.
So, back to the point, Yes arson, but also yes, the normal or man made climate change is making the fires worse.
Let me put it another way. Sea level rise.
The seas are rising, that is not up for dispute. How much so and how fast is unclear. But, if you look at coastal resiliency and preparing for that rise, it is prudent to examine cities and areas near a coast and prepare for areas that will be flooded in case of sea level rise. Take Norfolk, VA. The Army Corps of Engineers is looking at how the sea level rise that is going on now, ie. climate change, is impacting the ability to deploy our naval assets. They are examining floods walls, raising roads elements, and shifting patterns in currents for future ship areas.
posted by QuakerOatsHilarious hearing the dems literally mimicking the Iranian foreign minister and other Iranian radicals in commenting on Trump taking out the terrorist. Honest to Christ you’d think the dems were the enemy as well.
Who?
Specifically Sanders and Warren, although Pelosi and all the rest are saying the same thing. You could literally overlay their comments with that of the Iranian foreign minister – word for word.
posted by QuakerOats
Specifically Sanders and Warren, although Pelosi and all the rest are saying the same thing. You could literally overlay their comments with that of the Iranian foreign minister – word for word.
? Quotes? I've just seen the typical he was a bad dude but shouldn't have been killed and it may have been an illegal killing. I mean legally, there is a legit question as we did target a state actor.
So Trump blows up that terrorist a week ago, then Iran randomly decides to fake fight back and shoots down a plane. Dumbass journalists call it “caught in the crossfire” and liberals blame Trump. Quite the mental gymnastics.
posted by iclfan2So Trump blows up that terrorist a week ago, then Iran randomly decides to fake fight back and shoots down a plane. Dumbass journalists call it “caught in the crossfire” and liberals blame Trump. Quite the mental gymnastics.
It all comes back to those liberals trying to screw it all up.
Interesting how whoever is president, we're just supposed to implicitly trust them when they take yet more military action in the Middle East. Oh, you say he was a terrorist? Then have at it. You guys and you're intelligence reports are never wrong as we know.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieIt all comes back to those liberals trying to screw it all up.
Interesting how whoever is president, we're just supposed to implicitly trust them when they take yet more military action in the Middle East. Oh, you say he was a terrorist? Then have at it. You guys and you're intelligence reports are never wrong as we know.
Are you insinuating he WASN’T a terrorist?
posted by iclfan2Are you insinuating he WASN’T a terrorist?
Who in the hell knows. Maybe he was. But our government hasnt actually earned a. Lot of trust in these types of matters over the years. It's always interesting to me how when whoever is president gets into tough political situations domestically, some prime opportunity to use missiles magically opens up.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieWho in the hell knows. Maybe he was. But our government hasnt actually earned a. Lot of trust in these types of matters over the years. It's always interesting to me how when whoever is president gets into tough political situations domestically, some prime opportunity to use missiles magically opens up.
And those who have supported him prior to that point will find any reason to justify doing so.
posted by O-TrapAnd those who have supported him prior to that point will find any reason to justify doing so.
Agreed. It's okay to say your guy got it wrong.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieAgreed. It's okay to say your guy got it wrong.
He’s most definitely a terrorist, it isn’t up for debate. Whether he should have been killed or not is up for discussion, but the guy is responsible for the murder of THOUSANDS. What shit rags have you been reading? And as you can see from the news today, his own citizens hated him and are protesting the government still, so don’t listen to your media saying killing the dude unified the country.
posted by iclfan2He’s most definitely a terrorist, it isn’t up for debate. Whether he should have been killed or not is up for discussion, but the guy is responsible for the murder of THOUSANDS. What shit rags have you been reading? And as you can see from the news today, his own citizens hated him and are protesting the government still, so don’t listen to your media saying killing the dude unified the country.
Not up for debate? Says who? You? Well I'm convinced then!
Seriously, this guy may have been a bad guy. But don't you find it interesting that the opportunity to kill him just happened to come up right now? Do you think it's a good idea to just trust that he was bad because our government tells us so?
The whole fucking world says he’s bad. There have been multiple times they could have killed him but Obama thought better of it. You couldn’t be anymore wrong.
I’m not even saying it was a good or bad idea for Trump to actually do it, but you’re arguing against facts. Stop reading Vox.
posted by iclfan2The whole fucking world says he’s bad. There have been multiple times they could have killed him but Obama thought better of it. You couldn’t be anymore wrong.
I’m not even saying it was a good or bad idea for Trump to actually do it, but you’re arguing against facts. Stop reading Vox.
I've never read Vox. There's always a bad guy to kill somewhere in the Middle East. They'll be another after this guy. We never seem to find an end of our involvement there though. Republican and Democratic president's are really not much different in this way.
And just remember that "everyone" said Sadam had WMDs too.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI've never read Vox. There's always a bad guy to kill somewhere in the Middle East. They'll be another after this guy. We never seem to find an end of our involvement there though. Republican and Democratic president's are really not much different in this way.
And just remember that "everyone" said Sadam had WMDs too.
Saddam had wmds. He just didnt have them when we got there
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI've never read Vox. There's always a bad guy to kill somewhere in the Middle East. They'll be another after this guy. We never seem to find an end of our involvement there though. Republican and Democratic president's are really not much different in this way.
And just remember that "everyone" said Sadam had WMDs too.
Although I agree with your sentiment, that we should just stay the fuck out of the middle east (icl would probably agree too), but this isn't what you two are arguing. Either you think the dude was a piece of shit terrorist or not. It's really not hard to believe he was a terrorist piece of shit, while also believing we need to gtfo the middle east. If you don't think he was a bad guy, then that's on you, but that is quite the losing argument. Even the Iranian people disagree with the dumbasses here that want to paint him as a decent guy. TDS is a hell of a condition.
posted by like_thatAlthough I agree with your sentiment, that we should just stay the fuck out of the middle east (icl would probably agree too), but this isn't what you two are arguing. Either you think the dude was a piece of shit terrorist or not. It's really not hard to believe he was a terrorist piece of shit, while also believing we need to gtfo the middle east. If you don't think he was a bad guy, then that's on you, but that is quite the losing argument. Even the Iranian people disagree with the dumbasses here that want to paint him as a decent guy. TDS is a hell of a condition.
I'm not saying he wasn't a bad guy - that wasn't my point. I'm sure there are bad guys all over the Mideast that deserve a missile right now. I just think it's concerning that we are supposed to believe our government on these matters when history shows they are wrong or deceitful many times.
This applies to Democrats and Republicans.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI'm not saying he wasn't a bad guy - that wasn't my point. I'm sure there are bad guys all over the Mideast that deserve a missile right now. I just think it's concerning that we are supposed to believe our government on these matters when history shows they are wrong or deceitful many times.
This applies to Democrats and Republicans.
Other than the US Government, what part makes you skeptical that he was a terrorist?
posted by like_thatOther than the US Government, what part makes you skeptical that he was a terrorist?
I don't know that he wasn't.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieNot up for debate? Says who? You? Well I'm convinced then!
Seriously, this guy may have been a bad guy. But don't you find it interesting that the opportunity to kill him just happened to come up right now? Do you think it's a good idea to just trust that he was bad because our government tells us so?
The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI don't know that he wasn't.
Let’s try this another way.
Do you think he was a terrorist? Why or why not (without using the US Government as your reasoning)?
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieWho in the hell knows. Maybe he was. But our government hasnt actually earned a. Lot of trust in these types of matters over the years. It's always interesting to me how when whoever is president gets into tough political situations domestically, some prime opportunity to use missiles magically opens up.
Interesting to see Boogie worried about the Deep State and entertaining conspiricay theories.
posted by iclfan2He’s most definitely a terrorist, it isn’t up for debate. Whether he should have been killed or not is up for discussion, but the guy is responsible for the murder of THOUSANDS. What shit rags have you been reading? And as you can see from the news today, his own citizens hated him and are protesting the government still, so don’t listen to your media saying killing the dude unified the country.
Based on what he's allegedly (I haven't followed things back to the source to confirm credibility or anything, but it sounds plausible) been involved with in Central and South America, that alone would make him a terrorist.
Having said that, most of what "he" has done with regard to the US could be seen as a response to hostility or aggression. Occupying land and water near their borders hardly seems innocuous (we'd have plenty to say if China had carriers of our east and west coasts and bases along southern Canada and northern Mexico).
posted by SpockSaddam had wmds. He just didnt have them when we got there
Based on ... what? The fact that a few people in positions with a history of being caught lying said so?
I live in a mansion. You just can't see it, because it's invisible. You should just take my word for it. Makes the same amount of sense.
posted by QuakerOats
The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
Agreed, so let's bring the troops home to vigilantly guard our borders, be able to see their families, and not put their lives at risk unnecessarily.
posted by majorsparkInteresting to see Boogie worried about the Deep State and entertaining conspiricay theories.
Seeing how Operation Ajax was handled, I'm not even sure it fits the definition of a "conspiracy theory" to question the government's dissemination of information to the public with regard to Iran.
posted by O-TrapBased on what he's allegedly (I haven't followed things back to the source to confirm credibility or anything, but it sounds plausible) been involved with in Central and South America, that alone would make him a terrorist.
Having said that, most of what "he" has done with regard to the US could be seen as a response to hostility or aggression. Occupying land and water near their borders hardly seems innocuous (we'd have plenty to say if China had carriers of our east and west coasts and bases along southern Canada and northern Mexico).
posted by SpockSaddam had wmds. He just didnt have them when we got there
Based on ... what? The fact that a few people in positions with a history of being caught lying said so?
I live in a mansion. You just can't see it, because it's invisible. You should just take my word for it. Makes the same amount of sense.
posted by QuakerOats
The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
Agreed, so let's bring the troops home to vigilantly guard our borders, be able to see their families, and not put their lives at risk unnecessarily.
posted by majorsparkInteresting to see Boogie worried about the Deep State and entertaining conspiricay theories.
Seeing how Operation Ajax was handled, I'm not even sure it fits the definition of a "conspiracy theory" to question the government's dissemination of information to the public with regard to Iran.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4996218
I dont want to hear about the "link".....NPR is a left wing rag and this timeline is pretty accurate. So yea Iraq had and had used WMD multiple times. Everything Iraq did led EVERYONE to believe they had them and were hiding them.