Can you imagine a general election between Trump and Biden?
The shit show would be amazing.
posted by O-TrapCan you imagine a general election between Trump and Biden?
The shit show would be amazing.
I really can't see how Biden would beat Trump.
But the debates would be epic!!!!
posted by gutI really can't see how Biden would beat Trump.
But the debates would be epic!!!!
Exactly. I'm not sure there'd be much in the way of "better" or "worse," regardless of who won, but the debates AND campaign news would be damn good television.
Who on the Dems thought having some tenured Harvard Professors who already dislike Trump go up and dryly talk about impeachment? You ain't gaining any ground with Independents by parading pompous nobodies up there.
posted by iclfan2Who on the Dems thought having some tenured Harvard Professors who already dislike Trump go up and dryly talk about impeachment? You ain't gaining any ground with Independents by parading pompous nobodies up there.
Maybe. But Prof. Karlan laid out a pretty good case in general for why this President should be impeached. Her testimony may break through. It was the first actual succinct argument for impeachment I had heard. The President of the United States sought a foreign country to seek dirt on a political rival.
Also, you do know most of the current Supreme Court and most legit legal scholars are from Harvard and other Ivy League schools?
Finally, most independents actually back impeachment. It is Rs that are on the fence.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Also, you do know most of the current Supreme Court and most legit legal scholars are from Harvard and other Ivy League schools?
Finally, most independents actually back impeachment. It is Rs that are on the fence.
Yes, I know where they come from (and that most sill freak out about the Orange Man). Doesn't change the fact that she already disliked Trump before this (compared him to McCarthy). I don't know why anyone thinks this is going anywhere. If they had evidence instead of presumptions, they wouldn't need these people talking about being allowed to impeach, they would just do it.
Support for impeachment has been trending down, especially with Independents.I'll even post the article from The Hill. Not sure where you got "most" from.
In other regressive news, Twitter blue checks got mad at Mayor Pete for volunteering with the Salvation Army, and then Chris Pratt for drinking out of a plastic bottle. 2019 is so lit.
The lefts hatred of the Salvation Army strictly is the weirdest thing.
posted by ptown_trojans_1
Finally, most independents actually back impeachment. It is Rs that are on the fence.
Seriously?
Independents have never been >50%, so never been a majority.
Only 10% of republicans think he should be impeached. Is that "on the fence". If so then the African American vote was "on the fence" on whether to support Obama or Romney a few elections ago.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/
Turley was quite clearly the most reasoned and deliberative to speak today. His comments should be required reading in every civics and history class. The other three are simply dem committee puppets: ‘bring the guilty bastard in and give him a fair trial’. They are destroying our founding principles.
posted by iclfan2Yes, I know where they come from (and that most sill freak out about the Orange Man). Doesn't change the fact that she already disliked Trump before this (compared him to McCarthy). I don't know why anyone thinks this is going anywhere. If they had evidence instead of presumptions, they wouldn't need these people talking about being allowed to impeach, they would just do it.
Support for impeachment has been trending down, especially with Independents.I'll even post the article from The Hill. Not sure where you got "most" from.
posted by jmogSeriously?
Independents have never been >50%, so never been a majority.
Only 10% of republicans think he should be impeached. Is that "on the fence". If so then the African American vote was "on the fence" on whether to support Obama or Romney a few elections ago.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/
Fair. I was getting my numbers crossed.
Independents are hovering between the 30s and 40s. I had to double check. Still, this is not like in 98 when a huge majority of the country was against impeachment.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo
posted by ptown_trojans_1
posted by jmogSeriously?
Independents have never been >50%, so never been a majority.
Only 10% of republicans think he should be impeached. Is that "on the fence". If so then the African American vote was "on the fence" on whether to support Obama or Romney a few elections ago.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/
Fair. I was getting my numbers crossed.Independents are hovering between the 30s and 40s. I had to double check. Still, this is not like in 98 when a huge majority of the country was against impeachment.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo
In 1998 only 55% of "likely voters" were against Clinton's impeachment. CNN poll I just googled. A majority, but not a "huge majority" as you say.
Strike 2
posted by jmogIn 1998 only 55% of "likely voters" were against Clinton's impeachment. CNN poll I just googled. A majority, but not a "huge majority" as you say.
Strike 2
LOL. I was thinking of Clinton's approval rating. Dammit...
posted by ptown_trojans_1LOL. I was thinking of Clinton's approval rating. Dammit...
His approval rating at the time was in the mid 60s, so I can see that.
posted by ptown_trojans_1LOL. I was thinking of Clinton's approval rating. Dammit...
For the record, I was against Clinton's impeachment as well as I am against Trump's.
LOL, this is neither academic nor testimony. This is a bunch of partisan professors giving the opinion Democrats want to hear. It's like when 900 or whatever prosecutors (out of THOUSANDS) said Trump should be indicted for obstruction.
One prof just said "while the President can name his son Baron, he cannot make him an actual barron". She's fighting a smile and laughter after she says it. Yeah, that wasn't orchestrated and planned, at all. That's theater, not a scholarly review.
This is actually a serious issue that Democrats completely mucked-up public opinion by being the boy who cried wolf for 3 years. I don't think Dems can do anything at this point that won't be viewed as purely partisan by over half the country.
posted by gutOne prof just said "while the President can name his son Baron, he cannot make him an actual barron". She's fighting a smile and laughter after she says it. Yeah, that wasn't orchestrated and planned, at all.
Just saw the clip, what an idiot. There was another clip from her past saying she had to change sides of the street when she walked past a Trump property. And we’re supposed to take her at face value? C’mon Ptown.
posted by iclfan2Just saw the clip, what an idiot. There was another clip from her past saying she had to change sides of the street when she walked past a Trump property. And we’re supposed to take her at face value? C’mon Ptown.
She really looks and acts like those crying/screaming activists from a couple different memes.
I'm sure she will be a mainstream media star (which was probably the point) and resonate with the base. But to people who aren't foaming at the mouth with TDS, she's nothing more than a partisan actor. Giving a performance, not analysis. I'd bet money she didn't come up with that soundbite but DID spend much time rehearsing it.
She did have one really good point that the corrupt intent is evident by Trump merely demanding an announcement of an investigation. I don't know how anyone could argue that's not intended purely to damage a political opponent. But she's impugned her own credibility, so that point doesn't score or register.
LOL, one of the other profs wiki page describes him as a "self-professed never-Trumper and worked on Hillary Clinton's campaign".
C'mon, are the Dems even trying to be taken seriously?
Q: "Why did you give so much more money to Clinton than Obama and Warren?"
A: "Because I've been giving more money to charity on account of all the poor people in this country"
posted by jmogIn 1998 only 55% of "likely voters" were against Clinton's impeachment. CNN poll I just googled. A majority, but not a "huge majority" as you say.
Strike 2
Damn!
posted by gutQ: "Why did you give so much more money to Clinton than Obama and Warren?"
A: "Because I've been giving more money to charity on account of all the poor people in this country"
Almost beyond belief.
I understand why dems are rushing this as fast as they can ……..they need as much time as possible between this MEGA-fail and next year’s election as possible, hoping that people somehow forget what a bunch of jackasses they are.
i have caught snippets of this impeachment.......the average person in the US has no clue what is going on, they have no stomach to listen to Ivy league professors talk about how they read the law.
This is getting worse
I bet they couldn't sleep last night because they were so excited to be the one to convince America Trump should be impeached. Really Dems - you couldn't find a con-law prof that wasn't suffering from TDS?!?
I actually thought the Repub witness Turley pretty fair and objectively laid it out - stepped over the line with the DOJ on this and other incidents, but that's not impeachable. I think that's an abuse of power, but this case the Dems are trying to build is a house of strawmen.
Hard to watch these hearings and not think Reps on both sides of the aisle aren't just using this to grandstand to sew-up their re-election. You know people in 50/50 purple districts aren't ranting with faux outrage.
posted by O-TrapExactly. I'm not sure there'd be much in the way of "better" or "worse," regardless of who won, but the debates AND campaign news would be damn good television.
Considering how Biden's recent response to a question about his age was to say he's not sedentary and then go on to challenge whoever brought it up to a push-up contest and IQ test to prove it, it'd be like two guys staring into a mirror and seeing each other. The winner would be the guy who made the most out-there baseless claim about himself!