This should be it's own thread, especially since Justin wants more specific topic threads.
When do you all see this ending? I give it two more weeks. Also, has anyone see the El Chapo bill, that Cruz is promoting? It's actually not that bad of an idea lol.
posted by like_thatAlso, has anyone see the El Chapo bill, that Cruz is promoting? It's actually not that bad of an idea lol.
No, what's the jist of it?
posted by CenterBHSFanNo, what's the jist of it?
Basically to seize his money as a result of his criminal trial and use that money to pay for the wall lol. It's estimated around $14B.
and bury him underneath it?
BTW, before otrap chimes in with a 5 paragraph response, I just want to summarize his point.
El Chapo wouldn't be worth $14B if all drugs were legal.
good idea.
as for the shutdown......Trump DGAF......it will remain shutdown until the radical left gets some heat from the media and the voters
It seems like every day more things that are actually important or bad pub are getting funded so I would guess it will turn into a fake shutdown that will go for a long time
posted by geeblockIt seems like every day more things that are actually important or bad pub are getting funded so I would guess it will turn into a fake shutdown that will go for a long time
Such as?
posted by like_thatBasically to seize his money as a result of his criminal trial and use that money to pay for the wall lol. It's estimated around $14B.
I wouldn't want to be associated with touching old El Chapo's money. That's a dangerous game.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI wouldn't want to be associated with touching old El Chapo's money. That's a dangerous game.
As an individual I would agree with you, but as a country why not? The US has already been dealing with El Chapo for years. It can't all of a sudden get worse than it is. The money isn't going back to him or any of his drug lords regardless.
posted by like_thatSuch as?
the IRS, food Stamps, im guessing TSA will be funded soon as well as college student loan funding etc
posted by like_thatBasically to seize his money as a result of his criminal trial and use that money to pay for the wall lol. It's estimated around $14B.
I cant imagine actually getting a hold of the money would realistically even be possible though?
posted by kizer permanenteI cant imagine actually getting a hold of the money would realistically even be possible though?
Your points are all valid. I still wouldn't be one of the ones involved in lawyering or administering it. I like to travel internationally and I would be paranoid forever after,.
Them drug lords is bad stuff.
posted by geeblockthe IRS, food Stamps, im guessing TSA will be funded soon as well as college student loan funding etc
Do you have a link where the IRS is funded? I must have missed this and I can't find anything other than they are working for free, just like TSA and other agencies (like the coast guard) forcing "essential" employees to work for free.
posted by kizer permanenteI cant imagine actually getting a hold of the money would realistically even be possible though?
I read it as the money has already been seized, but I could be wrong.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieYour points are all valid. I still wouldn't be one of the ones involved in lawyering or administering it. I like to travel internationally and I would be paranoid forever after,.
Them drug lords is bad stuff.
I travel internationally too, and I don't see how seizing El Chapo's money will make my flight any less safe than my flights currently are.
posted by like_thatI read it as the money has already been seized, but I could be wrong.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieYour points are all valid. I still wouldn't be one of the ones involved in lawyering or administering it. I like to travel internationally and I would be paranoid forever after,.
Them drug lords is bad stuff.
I travel internationally too, and I don't see how seizing El Chapo's money will make my flight any less safe than my flights currently are.
It's not the flying I'd be worried about. It'd be someone finding me once I'm at my destination. My fears are irrational, I know. I'm just saying I won't be messin' with Mr. Chapo's moolah ever. If someone else wants to, that is their prerogative.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieIt's not the flying I'd be worried about. It'd be someone finding me once I'm at my destination. My fears are irrational, I know. I'm just saying I won't be messin' with Mr. Chapo's moolah ever. If someone else wants to, that is their prerogative.
Very irrational, I agree.
posted by like_thatBTW, before otrap chimes in with a 5 paragraph response, I just want to summarize his point.
El Chapo wouldn't be worth $14B if all drugs were legal.
Wouldn't have said that at all. In fact, I don't even feel confident enough in that answer to say I believe it.
He just would've been in a different market. ;)
posted by like_thatDo you have a link where the IRS is funded? I must have missed this and I can't find anything other than they are working for free, just like TSA and other agencies (like the coast guard) forcing "essential" employees to work for free.
Wow I guess what I saw was California paying them unemployment.. I can’t imagine my boss telling me to come in for free
posted by like_thatDo you have a link where the IRS is funded? I must have missed this and I can't find anything other than they are working for free, just like TSA and other agencies (like the coast guard) forcing "essential" employees to work for free.
Yeah, that is the current situation. Outside the State Department, which found some magical funds recently, most of the civilian agencies are working for free. They will get the back pay, but they are working for free right now.
The contractors are getting screwed as they most likely will not get back pay.
I kind of agree as I see it going two weeks, but it is going to take something massive or a shock to get people to find a solution. Trump had an escape route, with the national emergency, but chose, probably rightly, not to take it.
No one has any reason to blink right now. Both sides see they are winning and both bases are cheering them on to hold out until the other folds. I think also the fact the DOD is fully funded and at work makes this shutdown seem less bad as we are not withholding money for the troops. So, short of using TSA agents stories, more and more stories about unemployment, or large walkouts by agents, I doubt something will move the public long enough to move the needle to force a solution.
Trump also has little reason to give in. He is fighting for his main issue, sees himself as the foil for the liberal Ds in the House.
He is also essentially stealing the limelight and actual productivity of the new D House. Instead of the House fully focusing on the issues they were elected on, like healthcare and investigating Trump, they are having to just simply work on funding the government. It is a good hard nosed realist strategy.
posted by ptown_trojans_1He is also essentially stealing the limelight and actual productivity of the new D House. Instead of the House fully focusing on the issues they were elected on, like healthcare and investigating Trump, they are having to just simply work on funding the government. It is a good hard nosed realist strategy.
It never even occurred to me to think of it in these terms. I'm skeptical, though, on how it's a good strategy. I would think voters who voted in democrats in the House for specific reasons wouldn't like their politician being stymied by Trump's shenanigans.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Yeah, that is the current situation. Outside the State Department, which found some magical funds recently, most of the civilian agencies are working for free. They will get the back pay, but they are working for free right now.
The contractors are getting screwed as they most likely will not get back pay.
It would be irresponsible to pay a contractor for work not being done. Anyone who works as a contractor, should know the risks. With that being said there are plenty of scenarios where the contractors will continue to work and get paid during a shut down or will eventually be paid for the performance of the contract.
posted by like_thatIt would be irresponsible to pay a contractor for work not being done. Anyone who works as a contractor, should know the risks. With that being said there are plenty of scenario where the contractors will continue to work and get paid during a shut down or will eventually be paid for the performance of the entire contract.
Yeah, I agree. It still sucks for contractors, but such is the risk for better pay ha.
You know, for all of the protections that are set up to protect our government and the politicians who comprise it, I'm kinda surprised that nobody has thought to set up some sort of insurance like Aflac to help employees in case of events like the government shutdown.
posted by CenterBHSFanYou know, for all of the protections that are set up to protect our government and the politicians who comprise it, I'm kinda surprised that nobody has thought to set up some sort of insurance like Aflac to help employees in case of events like the government shutdown.
The Navy Federal Credit Union is paying its members their paychecks during the shutdown.
posted by like_thatThe Navy Federal Credit Union is paying its members their paychecks during the shutdown.
I looked up what they offer to government employees who are impacted. It's nice to see that there is some sort of fallback for them. Thanks for pointing this out!